Arab enthusiasts.....

[kunama]

well my new boy is hear ,

Silver Zaanif,

http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/silver+zaanif

and he's been perfect so far, but i was wondering if any one could tell me a bit more about his dam's dam, and the quality of his crabbet lineage.

all info is good!!

[ambatt]

He is extremely well-bred;)

His dam line is absolutely top class Crabbet with one line through to Dargee, technically classed as Old English but quite often given honorary Crabbet status.

The Silver Fire line are known for their beauty and performance ability, Silver Fire was about as good as an Arab mare gets and she founded a dynasty in her own right, she was foaled in 1926 and is a Hamdani Simrieh. Silver Fire goes back to a mare called Sobha, a grey mare foaled in 1879 and bred by Mahmud Bey, although Sobha's dam Selma was an Abbas Pasha mare. Sobha was bought by the Blunts of Crabbet Park in 1891 - she was sold to Russia in 1899.

An absolutely top class pedigree - need a photo please:D

[kunama]

Give me a mo, my computer's soooooo sloooow!.....

[kunama]

http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c142/reductivani/P1010036.jpg

http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c142/reductivani/P1010046.jpg

he's only a few weeks old in these pics

[ambatt]

Potted history of Crabbet for you:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crabbet_Arabian_Stud

Edited to add he has thrown more to his Sire's side of the pedigree but he should grow up to be a nice sort. Are you keeping him entire?

[kunama]

so can you tell me what his tail female line is and what that means for him?

[Tots N Dots]

wow he looks lovely :D

[kunama]

yes he will be kept entier, he has two breedings in his sale contract so his breeder can keep hold of his lines. but he will also be open to public stud, and if his temperment is anything to go by the mares should be queing up, he is bold but very mellow, been in his new home a week and has coped with rugs , hosepipes, tractors, cows e.c.t with no hassle.

when you say he is more to the sier's side what do you mean, can you think of any stallions that you think he will grow up to look like?

[ambatt]

His tail female is the bottom line of the pedigree which is the line through to Silver Fire and Sobha and from where he gets his strain name of Hamdani Simri, the Hamdani strain is famed for its beautiful arch of neck and length of rein.

If you do a google search and look for photos of Silver Fire, Silver Vanity, Hanif, Silver Grey you will get an idea of the Silver Fire influence and type.

Your colt's side of the pedigree is Pure Crabbet - but I can see the Ludo influence coming through - google him to see if there is a photo, if not there should be some photos on Allbreed, click on reports and scroll down to photos and click and you should see a fair few of his Crabber ancestors.

[*Sez*]

He's gorgeous! :D

[kunama]

thanks, and thanks Ambatt, and funny you should say that about the neck, because though he looks very 'flat' in all the pics i have of him, in the flesh his neck and shoulder are his best points!

so is he 100% crabbet?

[ambatt]

Not quite 100% Crabbet as he has Dargee who is Old English - there is always debate about whether he should be counted as Crabbet as he was owned and used by Lady Wentworth as an outcross to the original Crabbet stock who had become quite closely bred. Technically, if purists wanted to use that argument, then anything containing Scowronek should also be discounted as he was bred in Poland and came to Crabbet as a mature horse.

So you could say 'Crabbet with Dargee' You could get his Crabbet percentage done, he would, I guess, be something like 97%.

If people are willing to accept Dargee as Crabbet then he is 100% - sorry to be a bit vague but Arab pedigrees and purists can be pedantic in the extreme!:o

This Link here uses Dargee blood and class their horses as 100% Crabbet -they loaned mares to the Crowles at ZS stud.

http://www.crabbet.com/breeders/ukbreeders/Imperial.html

[coss]

ambatt, you're so good at the whole arab lines!!! there isn't any chance the foal and my mare are vaguely related ;)

[ambatt]

ambatt, you're so good at the whole arab lines!!! there isn't any chance the foal and my mare are vaguely related ;)

I am just a sad pedigree anorak with too much time on their hands at the minute!

[coss]

I am just a sad pedigree anorak with too much time on their hands at the minute!

:p no, you are just very knowledgeable... ive added 2 of dawn's progeny to allbreeds although don't know if they come up yet (it says it can take up to 24hours).

[ambatt]

What is Dawn's registered name so I can have a nose at her pedigree? I really should get out more!

[coss]

Dancing Dawn, think you've looked before, she's number 2

[ambatt]

Dancing Dawn chestnut foaled 1977? If so she has slightly more old English as she has Dargee x 3 on her Sire's side, plus Algol on her dam's and the line of Polish through Argos. Then she has that really interesting tail female through to Mahawiliyah...

[coss]

thats her :), i can see you remember the thread :) what is the tail female thing?
her projeny aren't up yet though, will try and find the link
ETA: http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/darlene7
http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/silver+rakus

[CrisO]

I've just found my old pony's dad on there. She was part arab.

http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/index.php?query_type=horse&h=ROZAKS+STAR&g=5&cellpadding=0&small_font=1&l=

[coss]

I've just found my old pony's dad on there. She was part arab.

http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/index.php?query_type=horse&h=ROZAKS+STAR&g=5&cellpadding=0&small_font=1&l=

if you know the name of your pony's mum you can add her, i think you can even if you don't know the dam

[ambatt]

thats her :), i can see you remember the thread :) what is the tail female thing?


The tail female is the very bottom line of the pedigree, so her dam's dam's dam as far back as you can take it, which for Dawn is to Mahawiliyah who is just recorded as 'Kehaileh'.

[coss]

ok, thank you. you learn something new everyday so revising is probably not a good idea (i always find things that i didin't pay attention to so they're new :))

[crinks]

If anyone would like details of any pure bred arab born BEFORE 1999 then give me a shout, I can give details of sidres dams, siblings etc but at the monet only pure breds unfortunately.