monty r v. p parelli

[RoxR]

This has probably been discussed before, but do people think you can use both methods of training with a horse, or is it better to stick to one?

I saw a pnh demo last week and was very impressed! And on Wed I am going to see Monty R and Kelly Marks give a demo - I can't wait!!

Thoughts appreciated!

Ok I just read the poll below!!! Some of you have already answered my question!! D'oh!!!

But any more thoughts would still be appreciated!! LOL!

[fizz21]

I would probally stick to one method not to confuse the horse and slowly start with the second method

[Shiny McShine]

I think you will probably find that both Monty's and Pat's methods have been developed from what they have learnt and adapted from a number of people as well as their own ideas.

I don't think it is a good idea going into anything and just accepting it as a method that you follow to the tee. I learn from all the horsepeople I can and take what I agree with and adapt it to what suits me and my horses.

I think both horsemen have valid methods as well as points where their methods lack. It is up to you as a horseperson to decide what works for you and your horse and adapt your own method from what you think is best.

[Ikon]

Basically as it has already been said, I wouldn't stick religiously to one method. Some things just don't work for you and your horse.
Starting level 1 stuff would be good for just getting respect and helping your horse to become less of a 'full-throttle-a-holic'.
Also remember your pre flight checks and have fun!!!:cool:

[RoxR]

Ikon, I had to giggle when I just read your post!! Are you sure you've never met my Roxy??? 'full-throttle-a-holic'!!! Pre-flight checks - if you'd seen the antics today you agree with me that she was The Chestnut Mare Monster from Hell!!! She threw a strop because Lady had gone out of sight and then when I wouldn't let her race after her, she reared up!! When we went on the hack she was Muffin the Mule and at one point I had to reverse her up the road to get her where I wanted her!! When we got back I did some lunge work and went back to basics to get her attention and respect, so we did a version of join up - boy, was she stubborn today! - but then she settled and gave me her full attention at which point we went on to do some super in hand pole work, with her mind on the job and respecting my space.

I know what the problem was - it was my fault because instead of coming to an agreement before going out, I tried to take her straight out, when she was excited and fizzy! So next time I won't be in such a hurry!

Back to the point of the post, I have bought Kelly Mark's book Perfect Manners (ha! we'll get there) and I was reading it earlier and noticed that while she obviously follows Monty's train of thought, some of her exercises are almost exactly the same as the Parelli method, for example the 'coming forward' exercise which is really similar to the parelli version.

We'll get there! I wonder though sometimes - when I took her to a local horse show her full name - Roxy Rouge - was spelt Roxy Rogue - probably more apt!!!!
:D

[heland]

RoxR

I have just bought that book today...'Perfect Manners' and I'm looking forward to reading it.

I have seen a couple of Parelli demos and was amazed at what I saw. Actually there is a lady at our yard who has completed Part 1 and is now doing Part 2. Her horse had no manners at all and to see them both working together is a dream.

I see no harm in using lots of methods as Shiney said, it's what works for you and your horse.

Good Luck

[Mossy]

imho how you interpret the various methods about depends on your level of experience and your horse. I would advice a newcomer to get advice from an exponent of their chosen method, who they trust, and stick with it - unless the horse says otherwise. A little knowledge can be a very dangerous thing esp with horses.
The important thing is to be open minded and above all listen to your horse

[Kerry's Partner!!]

I've sometimes wondered whether we expect too much too. My mare is most certainly very changeable. SO, Mossy's advice I'd agree with. You need to stick with something (having had really good advice about it) THROUGH the changes if your horse is changeable, being patient enough to help them through. I think that for most of us this takes quite a long time actually (MONTHS/YEARS), whereas if we were already experts it perhaps wouldn't take quite so long.

[heland]

I did read quite alot of the 'Kelly Marks' book last night and I agree with RoxR, that alot of the training methods are very similar to Parelli.

The majority of Natural Horsemanship I think is common sense. I realised that alot of what I watched in the demo I did on a daily basis anyway.

I'm all for sticking to one method if that's the route you've decided for you and your horse, obviously having done your homework first.

If you are just wanting manners on a day to day basis then I see no harm in using what method works best with you and your horse.....as long as you stick to it.