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Laura+Phantom
11th Mar 2007, 02:50 PM
I've never heard of them before but they are in the brand new Shires catalogue, can't find them on the website though, the product codes are 2021 to 2026 if anyone fancies a try.

They are all priced at 399 and come in styles 'evo' or 'class', they look quite conventional, anyone know anything about them?

Their website is listed as www.acavallo.com but I can't get it to work...

No_Angel
11th Mar 2007, 02:51 PM
one of my local tackshops are getting them in apparently, i saw a few on ebzy and they looked like a rip off of a freeform. Shall have to go back to tackshop and have a look

martini55
11th Mar 2007, 04:53 PM
The ones of ebay I saw certainly looked like a copy-cat of a Freeform.

monique
11th Mar 2007, 05:42 PM
I saw the ones on ebay and then saw them in the shires catalogue and thought the same that they looked like a copy of the freeform, and think they look rather smart, I wonder if they would have a bit more of a twist, as my youngest daughter finds it a bit of a stretch in my trekker so any thoughts on the amount of twist ?

Crazyhorse
11th Mar 2007, 05:48 PM
I saw those in the Shires cat, did you buy Horse and Rider as well ;0
I thought that the explantions of each was pretty sparse and was written in fairly bad english, but they looked comfty and I liked the way you could change seat sizes.

Laura+Phantom
11th Mar 2007, 05:52 PM
I saw those in the Shires cat, did you buy Horse and Rider as well ;0
I thought that the explantions of each was pretty sparse and was written in fairly bad english, but they looked comfty and I liked the way you could change seat sizes.

Lol yes I did :) Yeah they do look comfy but now others have mentioned it, they do look like copies of the freeform. I think they are foreign too.

Showjumper
11th Mar 2007, 07:12 PM
The Freemax is a copy of the Freeform, made in India. However it is nowhere near as advanced as the Freeform - the girthing is different, it has the iron arches which the Freeform got rid of (now has a flexible aluminium arch) and the stitching and quality isn't as good as the Freeform. Whereas the Freeform's seat is velcro the entire underneath, the seat on the Freemax is held in place with just one strip of velcro running down the middle of the saddle.

However these differences are reflected in the price.

Laura+Phantom
11th Mar 2007, 07:13 PM
Thanks showjumper, I thought the price was too good to be true! :rolleyes:

martini55
11th Mar 2007, 08:47 PM
The Freemax is a copy of the Freeform, made in India. However it is nowhere near as advanced as the Freeform - the girthing is different, it has the iron arches which the Freeform got rid of (now has a flexible aluminium arch) and the stitching and quality isn't as good as the Freeform. Whereas the Freeform's seat is velcro the entire underneath, the seat on the Freeform is held in place with just one strip of velcro running down the middle of the saddle.

However these differences are reflected in the price.

Do you know how the people at Goldfinch feel about it? Surely they can't be happy:o

Showjumper
11th Mar 2007, 09:04 PM
I think a copy was bound to happen at some time - after all, just about every other treeless has at least 1 copy out there ;)

The difference between Freeform and the others that have been copied is that Freeform is staying ahead of the copies - they're releasing new models, adding new features and making improvements on what is already a fabulous saddle :)

NatalieKing8
20th Jul 2007, 03:00 PM
Just had a conversation with Barnstomers. The very helpful people there tell me that Shires buy them in from a company Italy. Apparently, they have wither clearance even without the iron arch so if you have a mega wide horse remove the arch. They can be used without a special treeless pad and a normal dressage girth. He also said that any stirrup leathers were fine as, in his opinion, the faux suede will not rub or mark. I have put a suede Class on order, with extra wide arch. Hope this helps. Will update you on progress :)

EnduranceAli
20th Jul 2007, 03:24 PM
Will be interested to hear how you get on with the saddle. I have been looking at these in the Shires catalogue and love the bright colours! My friend also has a trade account with Shires, so I could get one cheap (let me know if anyone else would like a decent discount and I will check with her).

Ali xx

Showjumper
20th Jul 2007, 05:27 PM
Natalie, please, if you do get one, use a decent treeless pad. The Freemax does not have a gullet so you WILL need a pad to create one. The majority of "treeless" problems I hear of stem from people buying treeless on the cheap and using any old pad underneath.

Mariaana
23rd Jul 2007, 01:40 PM
The Freemax saddles will be available from Better Saddles as well. It has been designed by the original designer of the Freeform saddles, so I wouldn't call them a "copy".

But I fully agree with Showjumper, it definitely needs a proper treeless saddle pad.

monique
23rd Jul 2007, 08:25 PM
Well I bought a Freemax Evo and have to say it is really nice and very comfy to ride in, it feels firmer than my trekker but still super comfy. I am experimenting with pads at the moment and so far have found the suber panel the best no slippage at all and can mount from the ground, however I have only done short hacks in it so far. I feel it suits my slightly narrower youngster better than my super wide pony but mainly that is because she is quite short backed and I feel it is a bit long for her, she is 13.2hh she hasn't complained but I think it looks too long.

NatalieKing8
1st Aug 2007, 12:36 PM
OK, well having received my Freemax Class from Barnstormers, I shot down the stables to try it on Gabby. My friend, who is experienced in the treeless world came along to give me a hand. My first impression of the saddle is that it is well made and although a little bulky, looks very nice. We put it on Gabs, only to find that the material that the underside is made of is so stiff that it cut into her scapula. I appreciate that it may soften and mould to her in time, but she would have been very uncomfortable in the interim. The saddle is also very forward cut in the flap department, so much so that if I moved it back to clear her shoulder it was on her rump (so not suitable for short-backed horses I fear!). Whether I fitted the extra width wither iron or the medium one it came with, it dropped completely onto her wither creating pressure. I hasten to add at this point that she is a confirmed extra wide cob! There is no spine clearance with this saddle, so as suggested by Showjumper above, I would definitely suggest a treeless numnah (in fact, even with a gulleted treeless I'd recommend one!). The other thing I found is that the saddle is so bulky around the bottom of the flap that I couldn't make contact with my horse's side at all! In fairness though, I am VERY short, so the average adult may not find this. The one thing I can say is that the seat if very comfy. Barnstomers were brilliant about taking the saddle back, so if you want to try one I would suggest going to them.