Parelli at the NEC

[NicP]

Hi,

I have only just got my first horse and have no experience in NH at all but have always been interested in it.

I have booked tickets for the two day Parelli event at the NEC at the start of August.

Anyone else going?

[mayoguinness]

No but have a great time:D

[Joyscarer]

Keep meaning to look into it but haven't got around to it, Would have to find childcare for one thing or persuade hubby to take the day off. Might ask him to do this for my birthday as I would love to go even though it is quite a journey :)

[cvb]

I'll be there - travelling down with my mother :)

she's seen most of the NH people in the UK but has somehow missed Parelli.

I haven't seen Michael Peace or Kelly Marks, but have seen Parelli multiple times and it should be even better this time as they are bringing some of their own horses with them :D :D

[india]

I've got my seat booked for the conference. I'm really looking forward to watching PP in action again, especially since he'll be bringing his own horses this time. :)

[NicP]

Maybe nearer the time we can organise a meet - I would be really interested to hear of some 'real life' NH experiences.

[mayoguinness]

Tell me its not Black Magic india, the stories I've haeard of that horsey:o

[india]

Tell me its not Black Magic india, the stories I've haeard of that horsey:o

What stories would they be then MG and where did you hear them? :confused:

Anyway, I should imagine (and hope) Magic will be part of the team - it would be great to be able to experience 'live' the partnership that Magic and Pat have achieved together. ;)

[mayoguinness]

So you don't know?? Well Black Magic used to be called spider and Pat could do nothing with this horse, so I think it was one of his instructers (why can I never remember names) took him on as PP said you can have him as I can't do anything with him. Anyway they developed an amazing relationship and theres a video of it and this horse was doing everything and clearly they loved and trusted each other completely. When PP knew about this he took the horse back and theres on the video it shows the last ride along beside the boat before the horse gets taken away from him and PP gets him, changes his name to Black Magic and calls him his horse. *sigh* poor guy.
I watched the video a while back but when we were out with a meal with Jayne and all the others from the yard they told me about it, they spent a long time back in the 90s training with Pat before breaking away;)

[moniek]

i can recommend pat he is so good and i learn a lot of him.
he hase been my teacher for 2 years when i was in colorado.
but i am not using everything i look at all the horses in a differant way.
they have there own personality and a differant way to approach.
i wish you a good time.

[india]

So you don't know?? Well Black Magic used to be called spider and Pat could do nothing with this horse, so I think it was one of his instructers (why can I never remember names) took him on as PP said you can have him as I can't do anything with him. Anyway they developed an amazing relationship and theres a video of it and this horse was doing everything and clearly they loved and trusted each other completely. When PP knew about this he took the horse back and theres on the video it shows the last ride along beside the boat before the horse gets taken away from him and PP gets him, changes his name to Black Magic and calls him his horse. *sigh* poor guy.
I watched the video a while back but when we were out with a meal with Jayne and all the others from the yard they told me about it, they spent a long time back in the 90s training with Pat before breaking away;)

Yes MG, I do know Pat and Magic's story, but it's not the same one as you've been told. :rolleyes:

Pat was first introduced to Magic (then Spider) in 1999 at a seminar in Tasmania. He'd invited people to bring their most challenging horses and he would choose the one's he would like to spend time with. 'Spider' stood out from the others, her owner told him she'd already been through four trainers because of her temperament, she panicked, was hard to catch, bucked and used to bomb of at every opportunity.

To cut a long story short, at the end of the second day of the seminar, Pat was able to ride 'Spider' bridleless into a trailer using only carrot sticks to guide her both in and out. By this time Pat had fell in love with the mare and offered to buy her, but the owners didn't want to sell. Pat left them with an open cheque in case they should change their minds at any time. A few months later (November 1999) they contacted him to ask if he still wanted to buy her and the deal was done. However, by then Pat was back in America, so it was agreed that Ken Faulkner (then a PNH instructor) would have the use of her in his demonstrations while Pat was out of the country - it was also around this time Pat changed her name from 'Spider' to 'Magic'.

Pat decided to make arrangements to fly Magic back to America because he wanted her with him full time - since then she's been with him at most of his demonstrations, conferences and clinics - in his words “she's the most versatile and talented horse I've ever ridden”

Maybe I'm mistaken, but wasn't it also around the same time that two or three qualified instructors where sacked by PNH (Ken Faulkner included) because they stopped attending the compulsory instructor meetings?

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[Widget]

Im going but I dont have my ticket yet. Taking and un suspecting friend with me so I dont get lonely!

Not sure on the story about Magic but she is the same colour as my mare. I heard Pat telling the story of her wild past and that the white star is a little hole to let the devil out. My mare is jet black with a tiny star so that stuck with me and I live in hope I can coax the devil out of her too!

[mayoguinness]

Yes MG, I do know Pat and Magic's story, but it's not the same one as you've been told. :rolleyes:

Pat was first introduced to Magic (then Spider) in 1999 at a seminar in Tasmania. He'd invited people to bring their most challenging horses and he would choose the one's he would like to spend time with. 'Spider' stood out from the others, her owner told him she'd already been through four trainers because of her temperament, she panicked, was hard to catch, bucked and used to bomb of at every opportunity.

To cut a long story short, at the end of the second day of the seminar, Pat was able to ride 'Spider' bridleless into a trailer using only carrot sticks to guide her both in and out. By this time Pat had fell in love with the mare and offered to buy her, but the owners didn't want to sell. Pat left them with an open cheque in case they should change their minds at any time. A few months later (November 1999) they contacted him to ask if he still wanted to buy her and the deal was done. However, by then Pat was back in America, so it was agreed that Ken Faulkner (then a PNH instructor) would have the use of her in his demonstrations while Pat was out of the country - it was also around this time Pat changed her name from 'Spider' to 'Magic'.

Pat decided to make arrangements to fly Magic back to America because he wanted her with him full time - since then she's been with him at most of his demonstrations, conferences and clinics - in his words “she's the most versatile and talented horse I've ever ridden”

Maybe I'm mistaken, but wasn't it also around the same time that two or three qualified instructors where sacked by PNH (Ken Faulkner included) because they stopped attending the compulsory instructor meetings?

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Well thats a hell of a lot different isn't it, it wasn't Ken for sure. If you see the video you'd know that couldn't be true, unless what he meant was it was when he got him back from this other NH instructer he could ride her bridleless into the trailer. Ken and Jayne where there at the time and know the story. Yeah Ken got sacked because he changed things as he went on and PP didn't like that, saw that he wasn't doing it to strict guidlines and gave him the sack:o

[Crystal Fire]

After Pat brought Magic he left her with Philip Nye, who had Magic in Tasmania from I think it was 1999 - 2001 (I can check). He trained her, Pat rode her sometimes when he was in Aus, but she lived with and was trained by Phil, he used her in demos and is featured riding her on some of the Parelli vids. I have copies of Phil's videos of progress reports for Pat, Level 3 tasks and the very sad one where he is riding her in a park with the huge boat in the background waiting to take her to Pat. I have met Phil and talked to him about it. :(

[india]

.....it wasn't Ken for sure. If you see the video you'd know that couldn't be true, unless what he meant was it was when he got him back from this other NH instructer he could ride her bridleless.....

Sorry, I'm getting a little confused here MG, what did you mean by “it wasn't Ken Faulkner for sure” and what's the title of the video your referring to?

Could I just point out, Magic had passed through the other four trainers well before attending Pat's seminar, (incidently none of these where natural horsemanship trainers). It was on the second day of the seminar in Tasmania that Pat was able to ride her bridleless in and out of the trailer using only carrot sticks for guidance. ;)

..... Yeah Ken got sacked because he changed things as he went on and PP didn't like that, saw that he wasn't doing it to strict guidlines and gave him the sack:o

There's no doubt Ken did get attached to Magic while she was on loan to him – that's only natural, however, he must have also been aware that Pat would eventually want her back with him in the USA full time....maybe through the circumstances, that time arrived sooner than expected. :rolleyes:

[Crystal Fire]

... the instructors who were "sacked" was a case of were they sacked or did they choose to go. There was a bit of upset about a few things, like teaching style, the cost of keeping up with Pat's demands to go all over the world when he said so, the percentages being taken by agencies when instructors visited their countries... stuff like that. Pat called a meeting, I seem to remember in France, at short notice. For some it was a sort of final straw. I had a clinic with Steve Halfpenny booked and it was expected that he would just let us down and leave a day early - for example... So they didn't go, and they were "sacked/left". Philip Nye left Parelli a little while after the rest of them.

[mayoguinness]

I meant it was Philip Nye (thanks for that CF) not Ken Faulkner who was on the DVD anyway. Well what I was told I've written down. I do beileve Ken got sacked as Jayne was telling me how she may have had a small part to play in it (not the whole reason though) but Jayne just broke away I think;)

[india]

After Pat brought Magic he left her with Philip Nye, who had Magic in Tasmania from I think it was 1999 - 2001 (I can check). He trained her, Pat rode her sometimes when he was in Aus, but she lived with and was trained by Phil, he used her in demos and is featured riding her on some of the Parelli vids. I have copies of Phil's videos of progress reports for Pat, Level 3 tasks and the very sad one where he is riding her in a park with the huge boat in the background waiting to take her to Pat. I have met Phil and talked to him about it. :(

Sorry CF and MG, I got the names mixed up, it was Philip Nye who Pat loaned Magic to - not Ken Faulkner. :o

As far as I'm aware though, everything else I've posted on this thread is correct.

[Crystal Fire]

Do you mean re Philip just riding Magic at demos? I know what happened because I know Philip and others who were there at the time. Magic lived with Phil on his sheep farm. Maybe Pat did amazing things with her at the first clinic... he normally does... ;) But after that Philip trained her through all the levels, sending Pat video reports of her progress.
On the "Magic" videos you see her progress from what Phil terms a green horse with only about 100 hours training, right up to working at extreme liberty, and ridden in a bridle and doing some very fancy dressage moves etc. You see her losing it being ridden without tack in a clover leaf, then how Phil sorts it. Her first dramatic slide stop. Liberty groundwork leadchanges... Finishing with her piaffing in the park with the ocean liner in the background, at which point all soft-hearted viewers have a little weep into their hankies to see this partnership being broken up. Sniffle.. :o But you get perked up again with the first clips of Phil's warmblood stallion "Big".
There's a lot of legend about how/why Magic went back to Pat. I know Phil was very cut up about it, but he didn't go into detail. Others have said that Pat didn't give any indication he would be taking her back, he's got horses all over the place that he's scooped up on his travels, but he doesn't take them back. Certainly he got a ready-made demo horse handed to him, and I don't see how he can take credit for her training over those years before her return.
There is also the tale of how Pat was rehearsing her at liberty for Equitana (just after he took her back) and Philip walked away from the arena - and Magic raced away from Pat and tried to jump out after him. Sniffle!
Stuff legends are made of that last bit though.

[mayoguinness]

Well you did start to make me think........I was like but Jayne didn't say anything about that and I'm sure she would:D no problem, seems like we've all got slightly different versions:D

[Crystal Fire]

When the new agency took over in the UK (something needed to happen because the old one wasn't much good) it did cause a lot of problems. In the case of my group, we would only have our annual clinic with Steve Halfpenny, because we really liked the way he taught. He was actually getting ticked off about the way he taught... but we liked it a lot. :D So the first problem was that Parelli stated that all instructors must work through the agency for the country they wanted to teach in. And the second problem was that the UK agency wouldn't let us choose our instructors. So they would let me book a clinic date, but they wouldn't guarantee we got Steve. I dug my heels in and refused to book a date for the following year! There were a couple of instructors, one from the UK, the other from Aus, who we wouldn't have allowed in the field.
Meanwhile, some of the instructors were getting very fed up with the high percentage the agency were able to take off their clinics. The agency would get more money than the instructor.
So all in all, by the time this meeting was called, things were a bit stressed... :D

[india]

Do you mean re Philip just riding Magic at demos? I know what happened because I know Philip and others who were there at the time. Magic lived with Phil on his sheep farm. Maybe Pat did amazing things with her at the first clinic... he normally does... ;) But after that Philip trained her through all the levels, sending Pat video reports of her progress.

No, I didn't mean that at all, it's quite obvious that a lot of training was involved to get Magic to the level where she was able to perform with Philip at the demo's. This training may have been included as part of the loan agreement, especially as Philip was sending Pat regular updates and reports on Magic's progress.

There's a lot of legend about how/why Magic went back to Pat. I know Phil was very cut up about it, but he didn't go into detail. Others have said that Pat didn't give any indication he would be taking her back, he's got horses all over the place that he's scooped up on his travels, but he doesn't take them back.
I can't imagine anyone leaving an open cheque on a horse and then just giving it away - certainly not someone as business minded as PP. :D That fact in itself would indicate to most people that he had every intention of taking Magic back to the USA at some point.

That time may have come sooner than intended though, because as you know, Philip parted with the PNH organistaion not long after anyway.


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[cvb]

to bring this *vaguely* back on track, the Savvy Mag mentions Casper, Magic and Remmer as 3 of the (I think) 6 that are going to be there. Perhaps the other 6 are UK "PP" horses.

Whatever - it will be a great show. And a whole load of learning no doubt.

[mayoguinness]

Yes sorry for hijacking and bringing ....well, fairly off topic but I just reacted after descussing it yeaterday:D Hope everyone whos going has a great time and gets a load out of it:)

[india]

to bring this *vaguely* back on track, the Savvy Mag mentions Casper, Magic and Remmer as 3 of the (I think) 6 that are going to be there. Perhaps the other 6 are UK "PP" horses.

Whatever - it will be a great show. And a whole load of learning no doubt.

Thanks for that info cvb........roll on August!!!!!! :D

[Crystal Fire]

I can't imagine anyone leaving an open cheque on a horse and then just giving it away - certainly not someone as business minded as PP. That fact in itself would indicate to most people that he had every intention of taking Magic back to the USA at some point.

That's probably because you (and I) don't own as many horses as Pat Parelli. He gave Heather Simpson her paint horse Dream, and she is a much better specimen than Magic. So it doesn't seem that strange to me. :)
Having said that, I have given a very nice horse away once, because the person who had him on loan for 3 years loved him so much... so maybe I can imagine it quite easily.
The Savvy Conference is always a great show, so I'm sure all of you who are going will have lots of fun. :)

[india]

That's probably because you (and I) don't own as many horses as Pat Parelli. He gave Heather Simpson her paint horse Dream, and she is a much better specimen than Magic. So it doesn't seem that strange to me. :)
Having said that, I have given a very nice horse away once, because the person who had him on loan for 3 years loved him so much... so maybe I can imagine it quite easily.
The Savvy Conference is always a great show, so I'm sure all of you who are going will have lots of fun. :)

Sorry CF, there's no way I'd ever be convinced that PP spends a fortune on horses he has no intentions of using at some period in time. I also doubt if he'd buy them just to give away to his instructors.

By the way, I've also given a couple of shetlands away on permanent loan for the same reasons you gave your horse away. But then again, I'm not as business minded as PP - if I was I'd have probably sold them to the lady. ;)

Looks like we'll have to agree to disagree on this one CF. :)

[Crystal Fire]

Well, as I said - Pat did give Dream to Heather. A well bred paint mare. Why not email Heather and ask her? She is very proud of her. :)

[india]

Well, as I said - Pat did give Dream to Heather.

Couldn't that be misinterpreted, because it's certainly not painting the complete picture of events is it?

It may be more appropriate to Philip and Magic's story if you could possibly name some PNH certified instructors that Pat has actually gifted horses to (and whether these instructors where allowed to keep the horses after they parted from the organisation).

Now that would convince me!! :D

CF - I'll pm you from now on. ;)

[Crystal Fire]

Dunno India, Heather always told people the lovely story of how Pat P gifted Dream to her, and she wouldn't lie would she? :D
TBH I don't care whether or not Pat has given any other horses to instructors. The discussion about whether or not Pat needed to take Magic from Phil, could go on and on forever LOL!
What I guess I would have liked to see was an acknowledgement of the many hours of work Phil put into Magic in the chapter on the mare in Pat's book. That's really all I've got to say about it. :)

[Chilli]

I always thought the most interesting part of the story is why one of PP's best/Demo horses was trained by someone else.

[Crystal Fire]

Aw, don't go there Chilli! :p
Well, I hope everyone has a nice time at the NEC. No need for graffiti on the stands this year eh? :D I bet there will be a Purposeful Producing of Parelli Purist bracelets!
I'll have a friendly in memory of UK Savvy Conferences...
(Do you think Linda will tell her story... again...?)
I liked the Savvy Day I went to donkeys years ago where things weren't quite so slick, and there were a lot of students taking part. The demo by Walter blew me away. At the start there were loads of Parelli students in the arena doing their stuff, including a little girl who was standing up on her grey pony's back. I'm not sure if she was the daughter of that Canadian instructor - Cynthia somebody? There was a nice black fell gelding with a girl riding western. Later on I got to know her and she's now my mate - Lisa Bruin - funny how things turn out innit?
Another good conference was the one where Charlotte, Dave and Richard were running the agency. I have to say they were a lot more generous than their predecesors and gave us helpers loads of new collection clothes as pressies. I made a mint on EBay. Silke did her thing with her two boys and everyone was in tears. Dave rode about in his best sparkly western tack and laid Charlotte's horse down... and everyone was in tears... Silke hated her demo and said she had experienced a "Savy Bypass" - the audience thought all the leaping about from the horses was planned. :rolleyes:
My best ever conference demo was my friend Scott O'Malley, who was going to have a lesson with Pat in front of the crowd, but ended up doing his own thing and a great liberty demo with Teddy (Blue Cross horse). They were flying round the arena, over jumps etc, it was great. All his mates were sniffling into tissues. Pat got up an impromptu collection for the Blue Cross. (That one did also include my worst experience with Parelli, the one that really moved me away, but that's another story and not for here).
There's good in everything. :)

[Carmen]

Anyway back to the original question.... Im going, along with 9 other mates so between having my brain frazzled, my wallet empty and all the laughter, tears and info thrown at me - i know im going to have a brill time. See you all there......
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[NicP]

Anyway back to the original question.... Im going, along with 9 other mates so between having my brain frazzled, my wallet empty and all the laughter, tears and info thrown at me - i know im going to have a brill time. See you all there......
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Thanks for getting it back on track Carmen!

I am not bothered about the 'politics' to be honest - if I pick up some tips which help my relationship with my horse, that is fine by me. ;)

[perle06]

I'll be there.

Started doing parelli with my mare a couple of months into owning her, she was doing soo well.

I have to admit we have lapsed slightly of late but I'm hoping the conference will inspire me.:)