CHEV .. just in case you didn't get my email

[poisondizzy]

Here's BOB

http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j35/poisondizzy/101_1901.jpg

http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j35/poisondizzy/101_1899.jpg

http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j35/poisondizzy/101_1895.jpg

http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j35/poisondizzy/101_1891.jpg

http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j35/poisondizzy/101_1888.jpg

http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j35/poisondizzy/101_1884.jpg

[Wally]

That is a very prized colour in Icelandics.

Ugla's mother was that colour.

Very pretty indeed.

[poisondizzy]

Thank you Wally ..
He's a pure bred welsh mountain pony ... :)

[ambatt]

So not silver dapple then!
Sooty palomino??

[Denbenj]

oh lovely lovely colouring :D

[neen]

Whatever colour he is, I want one!

[poisondizzy]

So not silver dapple then!
Sooty palomino??

why not a silver dapple ???? :confused:

[chev]

Got the email this afternoon - he is absolutely beautiful! :D

Why not silver... basically because silver does not exist in Welsh ponies... ;)

ambatt - remember the email I sent saying I might have found someone with a silver dapple Welsh? Well, this is he... every pic I've seen of him from the beginning to now looks like silver dapple.

I have samples of his mane to send off for testing but hospital stays got in the way. I will definately get that sorted now; if he's not silver he's the most convincing mimic I've ever seen. :D Exciting stuff!

[Est]

He is breathtaking. Even OH, passing my computer, stopped and said, "Wow!"
What a lovely boy. Chev you must let us know what they say... we saw him here first! (Well, second ;) )

[Montana]

Wow, he's gorgeous:) Will he stay that colour?

[poisondizzy]

I'm so glad everyone likes him :)
i just wanted everyone to see him , as i've kept him hidden from peeps (apart from chev)...
he's just so unusual , and the only person i could turn to regarding his colour is CHEV :) ...
all we can do is keep our fingers crossed that he is what we think he is ... but he's also a little darling , and i love him to bits ...
all comments welcomed .. good or bad ....
I'm glad your still as convinced as i am chev ... :)
and thanks to those for the nice comments ...
sally

[Wally]

I was going to say silver dapple, but I remembered Chev's genetic lesson about it not being in Welsh's.....but he looks like a silver dapple!

He's beutiful!

[HorseWhisp3r3r]

What a gorgeous colour he is ! He'd look lovely in a little gig

[poisondizzy]

I was going to say silver dapple, but I remembered Chev's genetic lesson about it not being in Welsh's.....but he looks like a silver dapple!

He's beutiful!


I'm still on the genetics lessons , lol .. but will get there one day ....:rolleyes:

thank you HorseWhisp3r3r ... i think he'd look lovely in a gig , under saddle . anything really as he will certainly stand out from the crowd :)

[HorseWhisp3r3r]

I'm sure he'd look lovely under saddle too its just that I'm biased to driving and could see him in a lovely little show gig with black patent harness.

[poisondizzy]

I'm sure he'd look lovely under saddle too its just that I'm biased to driving and could see him in a lovely little show gig with black patent harness.

I'd have to agree with you , its just i'm not into driving , although my mother has a super little driving pony , he's 18 now ...

[LokiSofi]

he is gorgeous. In my head I was thinking silver dapple but I was looking at the pics and thinking he is no icey so he can't be.... hurry up chev put us all out of our misery.

[Cool Rider]

Aww so cute, I love his white nose :)

[mayoguinness]

He's beautiful:D

[ambatt]

The mane and tail colour does not look quite right for Silver dapple, too grey toned - and the body coat does not seem 'brown' enough for classic silver dapple colouration (think Nott!).

I would be very surprised if it did turn out to be silver dapple - what colour were his parents?

Can I stick my neck out and say sooty/countershaded palomino??

Are you sending the samples to avianbiotech - they are pretty quick I understand.

Just a thought - I have NEVER seen silver dapple in conjunction with sabino markings in Icelandics although I have seen silver dapple pintos.

Whatever he turns out to be, he is the most stunning looking little pone I have seen in a long time. Beautiful.

[poisondizzy]

The mane and tail colour does not look quite right for Silver dapple, too grey toned - and the body coat does not seem 'brown' enough for classic silver dapple colouration (think Nott!).

I would be very surprised if it did turn out to be silver dapple - what colour were his parents?

Can I stick my neck out and say sooty/countershaded palomino??

Are you sending the samples to avianbiotech - they are pretty quick I understand.

Just a thought - I have NEVER seen silver dapple in conjunction with sabino markings in Icelandics although I have seen silver dapple pintos.

Whatever he turns out to be, he is the most stunning looking little pone I have seen in a long time. Beautiful.

hi ambatt ...
his sire is chestnut who's both parents are chestnut .... and in the next generation he's got bay/chestnut/black/cream

his dam is bay .... both parents are also bay

It doesn't show so much on the pics , but his legs are extremely chocolately brown , as is his coat ... will take some outside ones which will show him off better ...

thank you for your nice comments on him anyway :)

[chev]

It's his parents' colours that really confuse the issue. I'd have said sooty palomino, but neither parent carries cream. The chestnut parent *could* hide silver dapple; there's no way they could hide cream.

I will be sending samples to avionbiotech; and testing him for cream and silver.

[poisondizzy]

Poor little chap is "colourless" ....
could i also test his chestnut brother chev ...??
although i know it wont be visible on him , it would tell me if he carries the gene ... wont it :confused:

[ambatt]

Are his parents bright chestnut or liver?
Chev, remember the many discussions we had on liver as a separate colour with variable patterning and inheritance?? Wonder if it fitted this little chap?

He does have the countershaded face that occurs in some silver dapples though, but it could equally be countershading.

Really interested in seeing the results of the DNA.

The only other possibility is the 'mushroom' colouration that appears to act on red pigment and not black like the Z locus for silver dapple. I am sure I read somewhere that Sponberg has a theory for the mushrooms now.

If he does turn out to be silver dapple, he will be worth a Kings Ranson and every US Welshie breeder will be beating a path to your door Poisondizzy!

[poisondizzy]

Hi Ambatt
His father is quite a dark chestnut , he also sired a palomino in the same year out of a cremello mare , who has changed colour no end ... and i also have a chestnut brother , which i now know will not show signs of "silver" but may carry it if proven ... still learning this genetics thingy LOL ....
never heard of the "mushroom" though .. will have to look that one up ;) , the mother is bay with dapples .. whether thats any help or not i dont know ...
poor chev ... bet she wishes she never knew me :eek:

quote.....
If he does turn out to be silver dapple, he will be worth a Kings Ranson and every US Welshie breeder will be beating a path to your door Poisondizzy!

maybe i could auction him lol .... nooo he's my baby :)

[HorseWhisp3r3r]

If he were mine he wouldn't be for sale for any amount of money. I'd buy him in a second if I saw him.
I've been thinking about him all night lol I hope he is silver dapple, colouration in horses is so interesting, I love trying to guess what the mares are going to have and have only got it right a handful of times.
Is he entire ? He's definitely got my vote please keep us updated poisondizzy and me thinks ickle bob's got a fan club

[poisondizzy]

If he were mine he wouldn't be for sale for any amount of money. I'd buy him in a second if I saw him.
I've been thinking about him all night lol I hope he is silver dapple, colouration in horses is so interesting, I love trying to guess what the mares are going to have and have only got it right a handful of times.
Is he entire ? He's definitely got my vote please keep us updated poisondizzy and me thinks ickle bob's got a fan club

thank you for you kind comments , and yes he is still entire ....
Its nice to think he has a fan club ... but i'm still his number 1 fan ... :D
as soon as we know the outcome , i'm sure everyone will be updated ,
i'm really praying he is a silver dapple .. but if not , he's still a beautiful boy :)

[poisondizzy]

A few Xtra pics for chev and ambatt ...
showing his leg colouring , and eyelashes ....
bless ..
and just a couple of extra ones for his fan club :D

http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j35/poisondizzy/101_1938.jpg

http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j35/poisondizzy/101_1937.jpg

http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j35/poisondizzy/101_1933.jpg

http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j35/poisondizzy/101_1930.jpg

http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j35/poisondizzy/101_1931.jpg

http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j35/poisondizzy/101_1944.jpg

will defo get some outside ones when i can find a camera man lol :p

[HorseWhisp3r3r]

Butter wouldn't melt in those chops :D He's a darling

[poisondizzy]

shame about the red eye ...
kodak said "no red eye found" :confused:
well its quite visible to me :)

[ambatt]

Well, he has got the pale eyelashes that usually go with silver dapple I grant you! There is still something 'not right' about his mane and tail colour though, I see he is the sabino gene clearly. I do wonder if it is something to do with the effect of the sabino gene on liver chestnut plus some countershading from his bay dam.

Will sit here and bite my nails until Chev gets the DNA results!

BTW He has the most beautiful eyes I have ever seen on a horse, what an irrestible boy.

* dapples on bay/chestnut/non-grey are usually to do with nutrition and don't have a bearing on dapple colouration at a genetic level.

[Palomino Mare]

i LOVE him!!

i've just been looking at welshies in horse quest (always hopefull:rolleyes: )

but he gets my vote!! do you breed welshies??

ETA - i am completely lost in the colour debate, i've never understood genetics and i fear its too late for me now!

[poisondizzy]

ambatt ... i haven't got any nails left ... have chewed them all off the last few days :eek:

regarding the dapples on his parents , its only what the breeders told me as they were confused about his colouring too :confused:

He has got very kind eyes , the pics dont do him justice , he's the sweetest boy and a very quick learner ..

Palomino Mare ... thank you .. yes i breed mountain ponies .... and dont worry , genetics get me every time too , :confused:

thats why chev is such a star :D

[ambatt]

I learnt all my colour stuff from Chev! She is a genius.

Avianbiotech are supposed to be really quick at getting results through, apparently. They better be quick, the fingernails are gone, I have started on my toenails!:eek:

I don't suppose you have any teeny tiny foal photos of him do you? Silver dapple foals are a distinctive colour when born.

Are you going to keep him entire? He is so absolutely stunning whatever his colour turns out to be genetically.

[poisondizzy]

ambatt
these are the earliest ones i have ...
he was about 4 months in this one
http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j35/poisondizzy/261244061.jpg

and a few days in this one
http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j35/poisondizzy/cexcalibur1.jpg

[ambatt]

In his foal photo there looks to be a definite reddish tinge to his coat, he is not the uniform beigy colour silver dapples are generally born.

See photo of Icelandic silver dapple foal:
http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a299/ambatt/movindfolald.jpg

Fully shed foal coat in silver dapple Icelandic:
http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a299/ambatt/GaelaHofsstodum1.jpg

This is the link to the mushroom Shetlands:

http://www.kellas-stud.co.uk/mystery.htm

I will still stick with my original thoughts - but would be delighted to be proved wrong!

Thanks for the photos of Bob though - you can certainly see how he is going to mature.

[ambatt]

I have just had a look at potential colouration for your chap going on the known colour gentics of his parents:

If daddy is just plain ordinary chestnut;

58.34% - Bay
33.33% - Chestnut
8.33% - Black


If daddy is chestnut but hiding the silver gene (is heterozygous for silver)

33.33% - Chestnut
29.17% - Silver Bay
29.17% - Bay
4.17% - Silver Black
4.17% - Black

If daddy is chestnut hiding silver (is homozygous for silver)

58.34% - Silver Bay
33.33% - Chestnut
8.33% - Silver Black

All cases are on basis of bay dam.
silver black = silver dapple

:confused: :confused: :confused:

Looks to fit in with the mushroom dilution inheritance pattern to me and the colour seems to 'fit' more, which if this is the case makes your boy doubly interesting!

[poisondizzy]

Ambatt .... i was told by his breeders that he was actually born a palomino colouring , very similar to that of the foal pic you have posted , i will ask them if they have one , it may put a different perspective on all of this ...

You must have worked hard sorting all that out ,...
i dont know how you do it ... :confused:
if chev can teach you that well ... there's hope for me yet .. ;)

the shetties look gorgeous .... thank you for the link ...
another gene for me to ponder :confused:

[ambatt]

Silver dapple foals are a sort of creamy beige that is not like palomino, but as colour is such a subjective thing, and his breeders not knowing what silver dapple is and how it manifests, Bob could be anything! There is a diagnostic check that is used in Iceland but can only be done on the newborn foal, that checks if a foal is red or black based.

Need those test results!

[Mehitabel]

in the 4 month old pic he looks like he is going ot end up this colour - top left - http://rehorses.com/welshd.html

[chev]

There is a Welsh B mare who is almost identical in colour to Bob - and she is sooty palomino. (Cremello daddy, dark bay mum).

Had it not been for Bob's lack of cream dilute parent, I would have had him down as sooty palomino, no question.

Jula Mystical Lady (http://www.julastud.com/mystical%20lady.htm)

Hair samples will go away for testing tomorrow - have been rushed off my feet this last week and had no time to get them done!

[poisondizzy]

Poor chev ... i'm not rushing you mate ...
its just been so nice to hear peoples views on him ,
i know you and i love him , and its obvious others do too ...
sooorrry ... dont want to cause you any stress ....
have asked for baby baby pics if they have any , so with any luck will get another idea ...
Anyway , its your fault chev , you got me started on this genetics thing LOLOLOL xxxxxxxxxx

[poisondizzy]

Hope i'm not boring you ... a couple of outdoor pics yesterday

http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j35/poisondizzy/101_1960.jpg
http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j35/poisondizzy/101_1963.jpg
http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j35/poisondizzy/101_1964.jpg
http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j35/poisondizzy/101_1967.jpg

[chev]

I will never get bored of Bob pics! :D

Have to say though these look more like sooty palomino... he has that golden tone underneath...

Do you have any pics of daddy? Am now wondering if he is actually a dark palomino...

[poisondizzy]

chev , i only had those pics of daddy that i sent you originally , and they weren't very good were they ?
the golden bits could be stable stains :o :o
as his coat is coming out very creamy and fluffy , and as soft as a rabbits coat lol ...

[poisondizzy]

the only 2 i have
http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j35/poisondizzy/P10500351.jpg
http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j35/poisondizzy/14131827-1.jpg

[chev]

I remember them now :o Definitely not palomino of any kind!

[HorseWhisp3r3r]

I'll never get bored of looking at Bob pics keep them coming (o:
Are you going to show him or has he already been shown ? What are your plans for him

[poisondizzy]

no palomino there chev lol ....

no horsewhisp3r3r he hasn't been shown yet , and i daren't tell you what my plans are for him .... :eek:

[Palomino Mare]

so...when do we...appologies, YOU get the results?:D

very exciting!

[HorseWhisp3r3r]

i daren't tell you what my plans are for him ....

<<< bites nails furiously >>>

[poisondizzy]

so...when do we...appologies, YOU get the results?:D

very exciting!


Chev , will know all before i do ... apologise lol .... before WE do :)


<<< bites nails furiously >>> LOL @ horsewhisp3r3r .... i'm not that wicked ;)

[poisondizzy]

Trying desperately not to get excited here lol ....
but i cant help it ... :D

[ambatt]

Aaarghhhhhhhhhhhhh! DO you know something we don't?????:eek:

Was just reading a paper on equine colour genetics that says that silver dapple *can* mutate within a given horse population....

[poisondizzy]

Aaarghhhhhhhhhhhhh! DO you know something we don't?????:eek:

Was just reading a paper on equine colour genetics that says that silver dapple *can* mutate within a given horse population....

:eek: :eek:

no , i dont know anything yet ..... :(

[ambatt]

<SQUEAK!>

Can't wait - so Heaven only knows what you feel like!

[HorseWhisp3r3r]

Do we know yet if Bob is a silver dapple ????????

<<< have no finger nails left to bite >>>>

[poisondizzy]

Do we know yet if Bob is a silver dapple ????????

<<< have no finger nails left to bite >>>>

I'm down to my cuticles LOL :)
my old mans even gone bald lol ......

when she knows ... we'll know ..... I HOPE .... surely she wouldn't keep it to herself ... would she ..... CHEV .... ;)

[Gothika]

Even I really want to know and I don't know the first thing about colour genetics nor what difference it would make whether Bob is or not but I still really want to know. xD

[spottybotty]

I would also like to say Silver dapple with Sabino......
BUT would also like to see parentage as this could just be our old friend the grey gene playing a dirty trick with a dilute base coat.

[ambatt]

Neither parent is grey...

[poisondizzy]

Neither parent is grey...

Nope , nor in the next generation back :)

sooooooooo , is he or isn't he ..... ???

:confused: :confused: :confused: ..... i'd say so ;)

[HorseWhisp3r3r]

This is like waiting for england to score the winning goal in the world cup

[CER1389]

So I'm glad I've only just found this thread - I don't think I could cope with much more suspense!

Genetics confuse me but I'm dying to know whether this little guy is silver dapple or not.

~Following this thread with great intrigue~

[poisondizzy]

So I'm glad I've only just found this thread - I don't think I could cope with much more suspense!

Genetics confuse me but I'm dying to know whether this little guy is silver dapple or not.

~Following this thread with great intrigue~

I'm beginning to wish i'd just settled for his colour on his passport :eek:
but there is definately something different about him if nothing else :D

your going to be one , in a line of nail biting , hair chewing , toe tapping , members ... are you joining Bobs fan club LOL ;)

[ambatt]

We ARE Bob's Fan Club!:D

[HorseWhisp3r3r]

<<< waves " We Love Bob " banner >>>

[evilgiraffe]

Arrgh, just read the last three pages that have appeared since the last time I read this page, and I get to the end and we still don't know!

I want to know now! *subscribes to thread so as not to miss the answer when it finally arrives* :D

[CER1389]

I want to know now! *subscribes to thread so as not to miss the answer when it finally arrives* :D


I've tried that, except I only get email updates once I've opened the thread up :rolleyes: stooopid AOhelL

Now then, where can I buy an "I <3 BOB" T-shirt?!

[Marmite]

I promised myself I wouldnt get sucked in by this thread...but I want to know too!!! Can I join his fan club by the way, he's gorgeous!

[HorseWhisp3r3r]

Of course Marmite the more the merrier !

<<< chants "We Love Bob, We Love Bob, We Love Bob We DooOooo" >>>

[martini55]

I'v been reading this thread since it started and have been checking everyday for news. I don't know much about genetics so I haven't been able to post anything helpful but I just have to say I am a member of the Bob fanclub :D I think he is gorgeous whatever colour he turns out to be.

[poisondizzy]

He's definately got a fan club here ... bless him ...:)
and i'm sure we'll all still love him , :D
whatever colour he turns out to be ...:eek:
I think someone should make a banner for him ..
i'm useless working with "paint" ...
so there's a task for someone ;) ;) ;)

[chev]

Samples sent off, no results as yet. Will let you know as soon as I get them! :D

[poisondizzy]

Samples sent off, no results as yet. Will let you know as soon as I get them! :D

we know you will :D :D
were just building up a fan club lol :cool:

[Gothika]

Can we have more pictures? :p :D He's so lovely.

[Palomino Mare]

blimey!i dont come on all weekend and we still dont know....even the OH has cited interest now!!

[CER1389]

http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b255/CRumblina/Bobbanner.jpg

[poisondizzy]

ceri1389 ........WOW .....:cool:
What can i say to that .....
Its brilliant lol ....


thank you gothika
i'll get some more this week when the weather changes ...


Palomino mare..
i'm hoping all good things come to those that wait lol .. :D ....

but as previously said , wont be dissapointed if he's not ... he's a stunning colour whatever ...:)

[CER1389]

ceri1389 ........WOW .....:cool:
What can i say to that .....
Its brilliant lol ....


:D Thats what happens when I get left at home, supposedly revising 1890-1914 German and Russian Domestic Policy :rolleyes:
I find something far more interesting to do :D
It's only a quick job on paint...I'm sure someone with photoshop could do a far more artistic version. The gauntlet (riding glove) has been dropped!

[Vicki&Milo]

Wow, just found this, started at the beginning, was sucked in by a beautiful pony, read all the way to the end, expecting an answer and now I've got to wait too!

[poisondizzy]

Wow, just found this, started at the beginning, was sucked in by a beautiful pony, read all the way to the end, expecting an answer and now I've got to wait too!

Ooooops , someone else who's intrigued by my little boy ....
thank you , he is beautiful .... :D

all i can say is , we'll know when we know lol :eek::)

[Ms Kitty]

Agh, I can't take this excitement anymore! I have been keeping an eye on this thread since the start and was going to just casually see every day if there are any news, but this is sooooo frustrating! Is he or is he not, dammit?! :rolleyes: :p

Whatever he is, he is very gorgeous though!!!! :D

Nina x

[martini55]

Any news?

[Rips]

Is mum definitely bay? Any chance she could be a sooty/brown buckskin hiding creme!!!

Are these buckskin colours (http://www.dilutes.iinet.net.au/Buckskins.html) really right?!

Really I just wanted to suscribe so that I will find out :D :D He's gorgeous!

[Ms Kitty]

Still no news?? :eek: :o

Nina x

[jowyles]

we want news!!

[Showjumper]

Back to the top for some news! :D

[CER1389]

*sigh*
I got to the point where I was checking this thread 3 times a day Don't look at me like I'm sad....Making the "I love Bob" banner was at the height of my sadness :D
So I limited myself to not being able to check for 3 whole days :eek: And theres still no news :(

*goes back to skulking*
Yes I do mean "skulk" with a k and not "sulk" :p

[Wally]

Chev, I think we have come to the conclusion , from the wonderful information supplied through this thread (very interesting indeed) that young
"Snoggin the Snog" is a black buckskin, he ticks all the boxes from that buckskin page, right down to the cream ear hair.

Is it possible that he will keep his blue eyes? His little eyes were very blue when he was born, they have changed a bit, but they are still blueish. deffo not brown, but not saphire blue like Charles Buttons esq.

[colettybetty]

Another fan here..waiting for news..

[HorseWhisp3r3r]

another one here too
Is he or isn't he . . . . .

[Palomino Mare]

i cant believe it...we still dont know???

[CurlyWurlyRach]

i want to knoooooooow!

[Marmite]

I'm getting obssessive over this thread...checking too many times a day :o

[Palomino Mare]

i cant believe it...we still dont know???


i feel it is important to reiterate this comment;)

[martini55]

Everytime this thread jumps up I keep getting excited thinking there is finally news!:o

[Sparklie]

I've started the waiting for Bob news list too now...oh dear!!

[**greygurlie**]

No way seriously... We still dont know :eek:
I am definitely a member of the 'I love Bob' fanclub.. He is so adorable no matter what his genetics say!! your one very lucky owner!! Sooo jealous! :p
Come on chev, are you laughing at everyone on here being so impatient!! :p

[Ms Kitty]

How long can it take? :o

Nina x

[Floob]

I haven't posted up untill now, btu I have been a lurker on the Bob thread since page 1.

I want to know *stamps foot*

[kerenza]

Just seen this as I'm a new member;) What a gorgeous pony! Stunning!

As for colour...very interesting and I'm no expert so I couldn't judge.

But to put my two pennies worth in...I thought that 'Silver dapple' was a bit of a strange misnomer because these horses are rarely dappled. I'm sure I read that somewhere...

Your Bob reminds me of the 'chocolate' colouring typical of Rocky Mountain Horses whcih I think is classed as chestnut:

http://www.rmhorse.com/

Sorry if someone's already posted something similar - have read thread quickly but avidly as am at work:o

[sonnet]

OH MY GOD!! I have been lurking and haven't looked for about three weeks and still nothing?! :eek::(

[NoviceNic]

I pop in to see if any decision has been made regarding this little cutie. And everytime I see this little cutie I want one...:o

[ambatt]

But to put my two pennies worth in...I thought that 'Silver dapple' was a bit of a strange misnomer because these horses are rarely dappled. I'm sure I read that somewhere...

Your Bob reminds me of the 'chocolate' colouring typical of Rocky Mountain Horses whcih I think is classed as chestnut:

http://www.rmhorse.com/


Silver dapple is designated on the z locus - it only alters black diluting it to the classic colouration designated as silver dapple. Although you are correct in assuming horses do not have to be dappled to be silver dapple in colour, and it is indeed somewhat of a misnomer. Silver dapple can by hidden by chestnut as it has no effect on red pigment.

Silver dapple is also known as 'taffy' and other variants but all are the effects of the dilute z on a black base coat.

[teabiscuit]

is there any news? is he or isn't he?
have i missed the update?

please tell :)

[chev]

We have the results of Bob's tests...

He tested negative for cream (which I expected - neither parent is cream).

And for silver dapple (Z gene) - he tested positive :D :D :D He is heterozygous for silver; since Bob's mum is bay (and therefore obviously doesn't have silver, else she'd be silver bay) it must have come from his sire. His sire being chestnut meant the silver gene was hidden, because it has no effect on red pigment, only black.

Bob is Ee aa crcr Zz (one black one red allele, no agouti, no cream, one silver).

[Showjumper]

Exciting!!! Bob is officially a colour! :D ;)

[Plopple]

yay :D been watching this for ages!!

[ambatt]

I have never in all my life been so delighted to be proved WRONG!.

Congratulations Poisondizzy on your silver dapple Welshie!

Chev you are a genius for spotting him, I shall expect a full paper on him!

[colettybetty]

Blimey,so Bob doesn't exist being a silver dapple and a welshie :D Well, he's a stunning figment of my imagination. Absolutely beautiful. Thanks for solving the mystery Chev.

[Marmite]

Yay!!! Results at last!!! So he's impossible then? Thats ace!

[Sparklie]

:D Fab :D

[martini55]

How exciting that he is silver dapple :D:D

[sonnet]

WOOO!!!! Excellent news!! :D

[Lucyad]

Oh wow!!! Thats great (though he would be gorgeous whatever his colour was called). Two questions, one how did her get silver dapple, if it doesnt technically exist in Welshies, and 2, what does the future hold for Bob?

[Palomino Mare]

:eek:how exciting!!:D

i didnt expect to get an answer when i came on tonight!

me thinks bob is now famous!!

[NoviceNic]

Wow, what a great find.....:cool:

[chev]

Two questions, one how did her get silver dapple, if it doesnt technically exist in Welshies, and 2, what does the future hold for Bob?

It's not been confirmed in UK bred Welshies before. There are two main possibilities as to why not; the first is that this is a mutation, the second is that silver in Welsh has been hidden. Section Bs, for example, have a lot of chestnut ponies and relatively fewer black. So silver dapple could well be hiding in the many chestnut ponies around; and because silver on bay gives you a colour that is easily mistaken for flaxen chestnut, it's not at all easy to spot potential silver ponies. Black is not that common a colour in As and Bs relatively speaking, and it's the one colour that shows silver obviously.

[HorseWhisp3r3r]

\o/ yay ! its official Bobs a silver dapple
Bless his little silver dapple socks

[joey_olop]

Wow gorgeous pony!!! Hope he stays that colour for you :)

[poisondizzy]

Thank you so much chev .....:D:D:D::eek:
and to all bobs loyal fans
borrowing a friends pc , as mine has gone to the grave yard ....
so peeps ...
he's for sale .......
who's gonna start the bidding ..... :D:D

[CurlyWurlyRach]

aww yay for Bob :D

[Palomino Mare]

Thank you so much chev .....:D:D:D::eek:
and to all bobs loyal fans
borrowing a friends pc , as mine has gone to the grave yard ....
so peeps ...
he's for sale .......
who's gonna start the bidding ..... :D:D

wow have you waited longer than us for this info:eek:

[poisondizzy]

well .... if any one is interested .... pm me ....
BOB IS FOR SALE .......
very sadly ........

[evilgiraffe]

Oooo, very interesting genetics there! Hooray for Bob! Wish I could afford him :(

[CER1389]

well .... if any one is interested .... pm me ....
BOB IS FOR SALE .......
very sadly ........

Hmmm well after hunting in numerous coats, purses, handbags and behind the sofa I have the amazing contribution of:

~£6.58
~a button
~a bead
~3 sweet wrappers
~one melted toffee
~an old chewed biro
~2 tissues
~an old braclet

Sounding like a good offer? Does anyone wanna add their contribution to mine and see if we could do a share on Bob? I have a ncie back garden and a shed that are eagerly anticipating his arrival :D;):p

[Ms Kitty]

Woo, Bob finally has a colour, and what a colour it is! :D

I would really like him.. Do you reckon I could stretch him to 15hh and train him for Polo? :o

Nina x

[Palomino Mare]

well .... if any one is interested .... pm me ....
BOB IS FOR SALE .......
very sadly ........

i just about fell off the sofa there!

i dont need to here these things!!i have been looking into buying a welshie and OH has been following this story too but i'm over stocked - typical me!!

[jowyles]

I have a field to keep him in ;)

[colettybetty]

Hmmm well after hunting in numerous coats, purses, handbags and behind the sofa I have the amazing contribution of:

~£6.58
~a button
~a bead
~3 sweet wrappers
~one melted toffee
~an old chewed biro
~2 tissues
~an old braclet

Sounding like a good offer? Does anyone wanna add their contribution to mine and see if we could do a share on Bob? I have a ncie back garden and a shed that are eagerly anticipating his arrival :D;):p

Well along with Jowyles offer of field space, probably only need the rest of the NR's to look under their sofa's and we should be there with an offer Poisondizzy can't refuse:D

[poisondizzy]

Sold ............... :):)

[Palomino Mare]

Sold ............... :):)

awww well congrats - that was quick!!

btw, how old is he??

[ambatt]

Congratulations to the Mystery Buyer;)

They are very lucky indeed.

[MajorityRules]

Well along with Jowyles offer of field space, probably only need the rest of the NR's to look under their sofa's and we should be there with an offer Poisondizzy can't refuse:D

Well, its to late but I could have contributed ..
- A lost sock
- Unopened bag of candy
- Polo wrap? (lord knows how that got there..)
- $2.00
- Some hay (Yep thats right. we have hay underneath our sofa. good thing im cleaning today?)
and on top of the sofa we have :
-5 or 6 polo wraps
-4 Bandages
-pepto bismol
-old school playstation :p

But obviously he would have to be kept in nova scotia ;) :D