Diabetes & Anaemia

[SarahC]

Hi,

Can anyone tell me the symptoms for these two please (in horses!).

I've tried googling them but nothing for horses came up!!

Thanks

S

[demonbug]

try google using...cushings/horses which is what you'd call diabetes in horses or one of the types anyways.
Also...there is a company called Total health Enhance.com that has an all natural health suppliment called hemoxide II for humans. they made me a container for my Cushings horse that changed his life...or rather gave him back his. The vet was giving up due to him foundering on top of ulcers and asked if he could put him to sleep.... so it was a last resort. We took him off all other meds and treated with their GastroPlus for the ulcers which got him eating the bottom out of the bucket after 3 doses, while they made is "special" order at no extra cost. He was...in 3 months time trotting around happy as well as asking for his treats again. I don't know if it is available in your area though but it is a great product for humans and horses if it is. They are 100% guaranteed and I myself take the NutraWound for artheritis :D

[Stencilbum]

I'd expect them to be the same as the human version of the illness.
In Diabetes, When the sugar levels rise above a certain point, the body either burns it off, or it is excreted through the kidneys. The problem with this is that it damages the kidneys when this happens. When the illness is unregulated, it makes you want to use the loo much more often, and you develop a burning thirst.

A simple blood test will determine this illness (I am diabetic)

Not to sure about anaemia though !

[Joyscarer]

Also I don't know if the same is true of horses but in humans you can get something called syndrome X which isn't full blown diabetes (type 2) but the start of insulin intorence.

[Stencilbum]

Also I don't know if the same is true of horses but in humans you can get something called syndrome X which isn't full blown diabetes (type 2) but the start of insulin intorence.

In diabetes, you are either diabetic or you are not. There is no such thing as in between, or a mild version of the illness.

Background - The body absorbs carbohydrates from the intestine (glucose), and this goes to the liver in the blood stream where it is stored (some remains in the blood). The cells in the body are normally locked shut, and are unable to absorb glucose. Insulin is like a key which unlocks the cells and allows the glucose into them.

Type 1 diabetes is where the pancreas has either sustained an injury, or the body has destroyed its ability to produce insulin. This is the most difficult form of the illness to control, and the sufferer needs regular insulin injections.

Type 2 diabetes (which I have) is called insulin resistant diabetes. This is where the pancreas is still functioning, but the locking mechanism of the cells develops a fault and the insulin doesn't work very well on them.

Because the demand has been made to release the glucose from the liver, the blood sugar levels rise, but if the cells cannot absorb it, then the kidneys will start to filter it out. The problem with this is that the glucose makes the cells sticky and they block the small veins in the kidney which damages them, as well as the eyes, and extremities of the body where the circulation is at its worst.

In the early stages of type 2, drugs can be taken orally which reduce the guts ability to pass across the carbohydrates, and improve insulin sensitivity.

New research into type 2 is that it is caused over a long period of time by insulin resistant cells replacing healthy ones, and this is because the building blocks of these cells are faulty (trans fats).

The problem with type 2s is that because the pancreas has to work very hard to overcome the insulin resistance, like any organ which is overworked, it will eventually fail, and at this point, type 2s become like type 1s (injecting insulin dependent)

Some info on Diabetes in Horses

http://www.petcaretips.net/diabetes_horse.html

[Joyscarer]

Hubby has type 2 diabetes so am well aware of the condition thank you. Yes, syndrome X IS the beginings of diabetes and is 'in between' or 'mild' or however you want to describe it:(

I should have used the word 'resistence' instead of 'intolerence' in reference to this though so thanks for bring that to my attention.

It is reversable does exist even if you as a diabetic have never heard of it. I sucessfully cheated being diabetic by a change in lifestyle, hubby wasn't so lucky and developed type 2 diabetes.

I suggest you ask your diabetes nurse about it next time you go to clinic. It's interesting stuff :)

[Joyscarer]

I have just done a quick google and there is an equine version which is being linked to cushings and laminitus :(

Therefore the symptoms of diabetes could just be a syndrome x stage and not be full blown diabetes and thus treatable with diet and lifestyle :)

[Stencilbum]

Hubby has type 2 diabetes so am well aware of the condition thank you. Yes, syndrome X IS the beginings of diabetes and is 'in between' or 'mild' or however you want to describe it:(

I should have used the word 'resistence' instead of 'intolerence' in reference to this though so thanks for bring that to my attention.

It is reversable does exist even if you as a diabetic have never heard of it. I sucessfully cheated being diabetic by a change in lifestyle, hubby wasn't so lucky and developed type 2 diabetes.

I suggest you ask your diabetes nurse about it next time you go to clinic. It's interesting stuff :)


Are you refering to this ? - http://www.diabetes.co.uk/newforum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=75&whichpage=1

[Joyscarer]

Got to the first bit about taking oil and gave up as it isn't what I did as it all sounds a bit quackery to me!

No I did the good old fashioned method of losing 7 stone and getting more exercise. Just wish hubby had been caught in time.

Have a look here (http://heartdisease.about.com/cs/cholesterol/a/metsynx.htm) for a basic description.

I'm off to bed now. :)

[x.fat-pony.x]

I have type 1 diabetes, went to my clinic the other day and had an interesting discussion with my diabetic consultant.
He told me that indeed, you can prevent type 2, and you can be 'borderline' but they prefer not to use that term.
Quite simply, if you changed your lifestyle etc then there is a good chance you can 'reverse' the outcome.

Sorry, not really related to horses but seeing as I was talking about this with my diabetic clinic I thought I'd add my 2 cents :)

[Stencilbum]

Got to the first bit about taking oil and gave up as it isn't what I did as it all sounds a bit quackery to me!

No I did the good old fashioned method of losing 7 stone and getting more exercise. Just wish hubby had been caught in time.

Have a look here (http://heartdisease.about.com/cs/cholesterol/a/metsynx.htm) for a basic description.

I'm off to bed now. :)

I have to say that I have never been overweight, I weigh 11 stone 3 at 5'10", and the most I've been was 11 stone 9. My BMI has never been above 23, yet I developed it. Type 2 is not just an obesity related illness, but I have always like my fried food :o

There is suggestion that because of the added oils in horse feeds, this is contributory to the illness in horses, and other domesticated animals

The statins they prescribe for higher cholestrol are because of the increased risk of clotting with higher BG levels, along with low dose asprin. All are there to thin the blood.

Ask yourself this. How can a person come into the world and have a healthy physiology, and no insulin resistance, and then mysteriously their cells change and they develop this resistance ?. I'd suggest you (or your O/H) takes the time to read it before you close your mind to the assertions made, It may seem quacky if you look superficially at it, but there is some real logic in the assertions made there. The people making them have a lot to lose, and nothing to gain by speaking up.

If the drug companies found a 'cure' for type 2s, then they would go out of business - losing their jobs is not an incentive to dig up any 'cure' is it !

I would suggest by losing this amount of weight, that you have lowered the load on your pancreas because the volume of cells is not there to serve anymore. If you have been carrying this weight for a long time, then you have bought yourself time by losing it.

My NHS diabetic team (group of 4 diabetic nurses) didn't even understand how Alcohol affects blood sugar levels apart from saying that it was very bad for diabetics to drink (it suppresses the livers ability to release glycogen on demand and such is the risk of hypoglycaemia when drinking heavily on an empty stomach) The 'health care professionals' only preach what they have been taught by the text books :rolleyes:

[x.fat-pony.x]

The 'health care professionals' only preach what they have been taught by the text books :rolleyes:


Haha, very true! :D
I'm type 1 anyways, so I don't quite apply to this discussion :o

[x.fat-pony.x]

Sorry, internet acting up so double posted :o