cradle bridle (parelli)

[michelle c]

has any one saw the new parelli bridle? i thought that parelli was anti gadget? this bridle has a gag bit on and has 4 preassure points on it!!!!! :eek: the poll, the mouth, the nose and the chin, :eek: i thought they were all about natural!!!!!!

[mayoguinness]

Really:eek: how amazing, any pics?

[michelle c]

it is on the site www.parelli.com under the title "cradle system"

[mayoguinness]

:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

[michelle c]

you can also find it on the e-news on the parelli stie

[No_Angel]

hmm, bit looks like a myler to me, and its pretty normal to have pressure on the poll, chin, nose and mouth, most bridles seem to.
Doesn't look anything awful to me.
Parelli do seem to be anti gadget, but this seems to be a tool to work on the pressures on a horses head for control (as most bridles/training methods do) and not strap in the horses head, like most gadgets do.

[michelle c]

i have nothing against the bridle, and dont for one minute suspect that pat intended it to strap a horses head in, BUT i thought he was all about the less is more and natural head sets without using gadgets to get the results!!!!

[No_Angel]

I don't think the bridle is intended to get results, its intended to be another money maker.
It actually says its intended to provide better communication between horse and rider.
Its not a gadget, its just a bridle, and a different type of bit.

I also don't think parelli uses the less is more approach, he uses bits and spurs on his horses, his training program is about teaching people to use the horses own body language to communicate effectively and easily with them.
We all need to use pressure on our horses in some shape or form to ask them to do anything for us, quoting my lecturer 'horses are not a willing partner, they would much rather eat than do something you ask them', which in 99% of cases is true.
The bridle is just another tool in parellis huge tool box of tricks ad treats.

[angelfben]

I have a Myler bit.. does that mean I'm now all Parelli approved.. or do you have to buy it off them for it to count I wonder ;):p

[Yann]

Looks awfully similar to the myler combi setup, something that quite a few NH type trainers seem to favour. If it acts in a not dissimilar way to the halter then it makes sense to progress into it from that.

Bitting according to personality though:confused: What sort of aberration is that?

'horses are not a willing partner, they would much rather eat than do something you ask them'

Perhaps your lecturer needs to try a bit harder to engage their horses :D

[india]

Although these bridles appear to have some good points ie: they distribute communication (in other words pressure) over five areas instead of just the mouth...I wonder what market their aimed at????

When I studied PNH, a snaffle bit/bridle was only reintroduced when soft contact had already been achieved by the rider and the horse was responsive wearing just a natural hackamore (usually around mid/late part of L2). This was a few years back, so it could be that PNH now encourages the use of a bridle earlier on in the training programme...but if that's the case, I wonder if it's for the benefit of the student or their own back pockets.:rolleyes:

Quote from website:
I have been riding my Thoroughbred in the snaffle... he was all over the place, putting his head on the side, over bending his neck, avoiding the outside rein............

Now in the good old days (oops, sounding like my granny):D....PNH would have probably suggested the rider incorporate more groundwork, lateral flexion and one rein riding in the training sessions to help overcome the issues, not point them in the direction of a 'cradle' bridle.

Must admit though, I don't think the 'cradle' bridle is any more of a gadget than other bits or bridles used.....after all, none of them are natural.
:)

[inhs]

"'horses are not a willing partner, they would much rather eat than do something you ask them'"

Interesting quote, but not true in the cases of either my two horses. They will hang around and play with me instead of eating grass.

[mayoguinness]

"'horses are not a willing partner, they would much rather eat than do something you ask them'"

Interesting quote, but not true in the cases of either my two horses. They will hang around and play with me instead of eating grass.

ditto:D Mayo will often stand and wait for me untill I play with him whilst anouther mare waits her turn aswell :) I think they do enjoy the interaction;)

[Crystal Fire]

I heard about this at the weekend from my Parelli friends, they said it had been developed in co-operation with Myler. After we've been hearing for all these years how only a simple snaffle is necessary, you do wonder what the point is of this.

[michelle c]

sorry my parelli is rusty, it was me who thought less is more lol!!!! and agree with india that

"When I studied PNH, a snaffle bit/bridle was only reintroduced when soft contact had already been achieved by the rider and the horse was responsive wearing just a natural hackamore (usually around mid/late part of L2). This was a few years back, so it could be that PNH now encourages the use of a bridle earlier on in the training programme...but if that's the case, I wonder if it's for the benefit of the student or their own back pockets."

it is a hellish price to pay! :eek:

[poniesrule]

They state about encouraging 'power steering' 'cradling your horse's head' its an animal not a car!!! very pricey too

[Meovcorz]

Well the truth is everything is pricey of theirs. I guess I really don't have to tell you that. When I first saw it I went WHAT!!!!!!!

I agree with India as well with
"When I studied PNH, a snaffle bit/bridle was only reintroduced when soft contact had already been achieved by the rider and the horse was responsive wearing just a natural hackamore (usually around mid/late part of L2). This was a few years back, so it could be that PNH now encourages the use of a bridle earlier on in the training programme...but if that's the case, I wonder if it's for the benefit of the student or their own back pockets."
That is what they have in their old Parelli levels (I don't know about the new ones).

You know my friend saw a Dvd of their's where they had Linda on there saying about how she was from a whole Business background, and my friend said "Yeah she saw Pat and the money she could make with his whole training method" :D HE HE HE :)........ I thought that was funny.

[Lili & Morgan]

you do wonder what the point is of this.

Well If I understood the article "bridle wisdom", it is a transition bit, between the snaffle and more complex bit such as a Western curb or the English double bridle.

Just like the pelham is used for transition to a double bridle, a gentle introduction to the curb action. well gentle as good as are the hands :o

It is not a bad idea ... but the rider must have educated hands and independant seat.

Yes the bit is a Myler infact just the bit costs £119.04, but the full bridle with reins and bit costs £183.92 so the headstall with reins cost £64.88.
So the Myler bits are really expensive :-O!

It looks like a Myler combo bit with a half cheeck.

Dunno??? one needs to try it ...
Sad they do not have a bit-bank :rolleyes:

[Bay Mare]

What worries me more is that they're linking it to their ridiculous 'horsenality' programme. How on earth can you bit according to something which was discredited in humans and, therefore, is highly unlikely to be applicable to horses! 'Horsenality' is a bit like horoscopes, fun to read but not applicable in the real world.

They'll probably do the same to Myler that they've done to Balance anyway .... take the bits, change them slightly and then bring them out as their own :mad:

They should stick to what they're (apparently) good at which is the groundwork. As much as I don't like their groundwork programme their approach to riding, saddles and saddle fitting and now bridles leaves a lot to be desired!

[michelle c]

i thought bits with different sized ports were to do with the amount of room in an individual horse had in its mouth?!!!!!!:confused:
am i wrong?

[Meovcorz]

This is OT but, Bay Mare, what do you like? BHS? Or what?

[Lili & Morgan]

What worries me more is that they're linking it to their ridiculous 'horsenality' programme. How on earth can you bit according to something which was discredited in humans and, therefore, is highly unlikely to be applicable to horses! 'Horsenality' is a bit like horoscopes, fun to read but not applicable in the real world.


Oh ? Have you bought the "horsenality" DVD then? Have you watched it and tried it on many horses?

Just asking I only have the one from the "International Savvy Club", I am wondering if it is worth buying the "official" one.

[Spoof]

I saw a couple of these in use at a clinic last weekend.

They do not work (as a gadget, if at all) when your horse is angry, flighty, or fighting you. (One of the ladies couldn't control her horse on the ground, she was so angry it was sending her horse off the edge emotionally... don't know why she thought it would get better if she got on...)

They really do work if your horse is ready for them. The difference was amazing on the other horse.

The instructor (after taking care of the first person) said that it all worked off the phases system. It encourages the horse to be as light as possible with the least amount of pressure.

He had tried it and thought that his own horses were more responsive in it, but it wasn't something he was interested in using right now.

I am wondering if it is worth buying the "official" one.
Me too.

[Crystal Fire]

I had a watch of my friend's Horsenalities DVD. I think if you find the concept interesting then you might enjoy - how much does it cost? To me it kind of over-complicates things. I didn't really enjoy watching the DVD, but I think that's partly because I find Linda and Pat go on too much and I lose track of the point of what they are saying sometimes... :rolleyes: (And also because I'm not that gripped by the horsenalities stuff, and because I think Pat is now too heavy to be riding Magic. :D).

[Lili & Morgan]

I I find Linda and Pat go on too much and I lose track of the point of what they are saying sometimes... :rolleyes:


Oh Yes I know what you mean :D especially Pat , he goes on and on .. snnnzzzzzzzzzzz

I think Pat is now too heavy to be riding Magic. :D).
I have noticed it too, but he looks not so well healthy-wise, heavier, less "bouncing", still the ShowMan, but he looks tired :confused:

Spoof - I agree with CF, you need a pro with you to assess your horse, maybe it is a physical issue.... blocked vertebra when ridden that provokes extreme pain or else.
Have you had him checked by a chiro/osteo/physio???

[Spoof]

blocked vertebra when ridden that provokes extreme pain or else.
Have you had him checked by a chiro/osteo/physio???


He is a different horse (nasty, biting, angry looking) when he is in pain. I have the chiro out once a month to work on him, and do massage work myself.

He is just a really difficult horse. I'm working with a cute arab pasture mate of his and she is just splendid. Only two weeks and she's ready to pass level one. I love to work with others to remind myself that not all horses are as bad as the one I've got. :)

[michelle c]

CF- i thought he was too heavy my self!!!!!!! i havn't been riding my 14.2 for about 2 years now as i feel i am too heavy for her, so am trying desperatley to loose weight (lost three stone up to now)!!!!:o

is magic about 15 hh? if so the saddle she wears must weigh quite a bit aswell as pat riding her, i always thought that he was big on her but it was because she was a quarter horse mix, so she could take the weight?

i think pat tends to ride ponys or very small looking horses and linda rides big horses, they should swap!!! :p

[Crystal Fire]

I can't remember how tall Magic is, but she's not huge and Philip Nye (who trained her) says that her conformation isn't the best, so that would affect her weight carrying I guess. Phil said that she'f got almost as far as she could in her training with him and that her physique limited her a bit in more advanced movements, for that reason he also said he'd never breed from her.
I just looked at the way she was carrying Pat, particularly as they came in, and thought it didn't look easy for her. One of my mates said the same thing. Pat should have taken some time out to get himself a new horse or two started to take over from Caspar and Magic maybe?

[michelle c]

on one of the dvds i watched, i think it was the one with the o'connars, magic seemed to be struggling with the things asked of her and when pat was bareback on her and cantering towards the camera doing lead changes she seemed to really struggle. i am still suprised that she can still jump 'the table' and she jumped another big jump that was already out that the o' conars had jumped, i think it was an upright?

[ponylover88]

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[mayoguinness]

I was once a big fan of Parelli, but now im more sceptical.
I work around my horse in an attitude which could be classed as slightly BHS, however why, if im not totally NH, does my horse mug me everytime she sees me for a groom?! :p She always grooms me back, she loves it.
Just shows that there are alternative ways to build a 'bond' with your horse, and make your horse 'like' you.
Its only recently my horse has been opening up to me, but its nice to know she thinks she can do.
Ive not done anything specifically related to NH with her, yes i can get her to follow me, i ask her permission to do stuff with her, but i cant say that i dont lunge the BHS way, and if shes being stupid, i will tell her off for it. She knows the boundry, and shes happy with it.

I've never been a big fan of PNH, thats not to say I don't resptect Pat and what he does but I think there are far more subtle ways to get results now:)

If that relationship works for you and most importantly for your horse thats great for you both:)
x

[Crystal Fire]

I work around my horse in an attitude which could be classed as slightly BHS, however why, if im not totally NH, does my horse mug me everytime she sees me for a groom?! She always grooms me back, she loves it.

Because most horses like being groomed, it's got nothing to do with whether or not their person likes to use an NH, BHS, NHS or any other approach with them. :D
Michelle, I think that O'Connor DVD is quite old, they were at the last Savvy Day I attended, which was years ago.

[artemis]

Parelli is a business, they are in it to make money.:rolleyes:

[ponylover88]

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[Crystal Fire]

Parelli is a business, they are in it to make money.
Yes... I'm out to make money from my business too. Is there anyone on this discussion working for free? If you do how do you afford to live? :confused:

No, but shes not an overly forthcoming mare. Shes very protective over herself and has only just begun to 'let me in'.
Yes, but anyone can find what a horse likes and work on that to bond with them - as you have so ably done. :) Nobody says that NH is the only way to find a bond with a horse.