Roans?

[Meovcorz]

Do Roans go by this discription, always? Can they be mistaken and not come up to this discription?


"The white hairs are not present to any extent on the face, lower parts of the leg or in the mane or tail"

Meanwhile Blue has heaps of white on his face his lower legs and his tail, his mane has some. Interesting, maybe someone could explain better for us.


http://i262.photobucket.com/albums/ii103/pilgrims5/IMG_0005108.jpg

[JOJOBA]

Ive posted on your other thread - there's no indication from looking at blue that he's anything other than fleabitten grey (maybe rose grey if you can see it in him - not sure of the genetics on that one).

Im pretty sure roans are born roan and stay roan, they have to have a solid head, legs and mane/tail usually.

Also, roan is dominant so to be roan he has to have a roan parent.

I dont know of anyone who would pick him out as a roan just from looking at him - he's certainly a grey to look at! But there may be something deep and genetic going on which Im not aware of ;). Interesting that you were told he's a roan, I wonder why that is?

xxx

[jennyec]

Definatly a dapple/flea bitten grey, not a roan.

Was he sold as a roan?

Jenny

[chev]

Roans have undiluted head, mane, tail and legs. Some have a roan summer coat and then go solid in winter, but the roaning does not progress through the horse's life.

What you have is a grey. Lots of people mistake them for roan in the early stages but there are big differences. First is the greying pattern; generally the head is the first place you see grey. That is not the case with roans, whose heads remain free from roaning. Second is the fact that grey is progressive; you see more and more white hair the older the horse gets, until eventually they end up white. Roans don't change other than with the season.

[ShariN]

Yes, you have a flea bitten grey. I have one of those too.:D

Here is a Silver bay roan. Even though you can see the color change on her body,, which she did every season. Her head color stays the same.

Roans are color changers and change body color every season. Basic roan colors are Black roan, bay roan and Chestnut roan.
http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i51/Bergere/sonshetland.jpg

[ShariN]

Here is Dyfra... she is a Red Dun gone grey. She is flea bitten but that coloring is a little hard to see in the pictures. Her winter and summer color does change a bit as she is greying out,,,this is normal for most greys.
The pictures are as far back as 5 years ago..to the head shot taken late summer. But should give you an idea.;)

http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i51/Bergere/dyfrahead3june07emailsizeb.jpg

http://hometown.aol.com/danishpb/images/dyfrawalkingfrontjuly05.jpg

http://hometown.aol.com/autumnhaus/images/a-dyfra%20longstridedwalk%20offside03jun04.jpg

http://hometown.aol.com/autumnhaus/images/dyfrasideshotgoodmay05.jpg

[Gothika]

Is Lacey a roan then?

She doesn't change colour but seems to be getting roanier ever year (saying that I've only had her for a year and a bit), but she's much roanier than she is. She's now 6 so I doubt she's greying out because she doesn't have any white hairs appearing on her face. She has frosting on the top of her tail though.

When I got her she only had roaning round the back end, now its all over her and to her neck too, and she has competed and won in odd-coloured classes..It doesn't show up well in the photos,
but when I got her August 2006...
http://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g215/ahrena/IMG_0797.jpg

Close up of her clip this year, you can see the white hairs here
http://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g215/ahrena/IMG_3034.jpg
http://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g215/ahrena/IMG_3033.jpg

Schooling August 2007 (excuse my awful position :O)
http://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g215/ahrena/IMG_2982.jpg
http://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g215/ahrena/IMG_1940.jpg

Now
http://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g215/ahrena/IMG_3223.jpg
http://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g215/ahrena/IMG_3220.jpg

Although we've done a few odd-coloured classes to great success, I'm still terrified of being sent out if they think she isn't a proper roan. Opinions? She is roanier than the pictures though though, but it gives a general idea.

[JOJOBA]

Horses often go through funny phases. This was my old boy as he went into his winter coat. Gorgeous colour, but still just boring black secretly :p. He developed the same white flecks as your horse as he aged Gothika, and Jack had them too - and a big white thumbprint on his bottom. But they were both still just black and chestnut :(.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v236/jojobapics/blue.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v236/jojobapics/dapple.jpg


xxx

[Roxy Sew]

Interesting fact....did you know that apparently you shouldn't breed two roans together?;)

[Meovcorz]

Interesting. Yes, he was sold as a Roan, Blue roan in fact. He is currently 8 years old.

[ShariN]

Is Lacey a roan then?

She doesn't change colour but seems to be getting roanier ever year (saying that I've only had her for a year and a bit), but she's much roanier than she is. She's now 6 so I doubt she's greying out because she doesn't have any white hairs appearing on her face. She has frosting on the top of her tail though.

When I got her she only had roaning round the back end, now its all over her and to her neck too, and she has competed and won in odd-coloured classes..It doesn't show up well in the photos,
roan. Opinions? She is roanier than the pictures though though, but it gives a general idea.

She does not look roan but what might be going on is she is Min Sabino.
The blaze and stockings make a good chance of her being Sabino.

Was either of her parents pinto?

I ask because Maggie has Sabino ticking through out her coat like your horse.
She is mother to Theia...who has clear Sabino ticking.


Here is Maggie..though hard to see...there is Sabino "ticking" through her coat. Both of her parents are pintos.
With Sabinos the coat color does not change color with the seasons.
But Sabinos will get more ticking as they get older.
http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i51/Bergere/Theia%20and%20Maggie/maggiesticking2july06.jpg

http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i51/Bergere/Theia%20and%20Maggie/maggieticking3jluy06.jpg

Sabino ticking on a min pinto.. this is Theia
http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i51/Bergere/Theia%20and%20Maggie/theiaspots1july06.jpg

http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i51/Bergere/Theia%20and%20Maggie/theiaspotswholebackjuly06.jpg

http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i51/Bergere/Theia%20and%20Maggie/spotsundermanejuly06.jpg

[ShariN]

Horses often go through funny phases. This was my old boy as he went into his winter coat. Gorgeous colour, but still just boring black secretly :p. He developed the same white flecks as your horse as he aged Gothika, and Jack had them too - and a big white thumbprint on his bottom. But they were both still just black and chestnut :(.


xxx

Horses can get some grey around points as they age.

Though your horse just looks like he has some beautiful healthy dapples!:D

[connieD]

i would say he is definatly not blue roan. i have a blue roan. she is 25 and still has jet black head and legs. she has not whitened with age and is dark grey with white hairs during summer and lighter grey (as in the colour grey, not grey meaning white!) with white hairs in winter.

your is lovely - i would say grey

[chev]

Gothika - your mare is another with sabino roaning. True roan is very different and distinctive.

It's believed that there is no such thing as a homozygous roan (horse with two roan genes) because homozygous roans don't survive and end up absorbed or aborted. Hence the advice not to breed roan to roan.

[ShariN]

Interesting. Yes, he was sold as a Roan, Blue roan in fact. He is currently 8 years old.


He may of started out a Roan but is now a grey.;)

Is sad how many horse breeders out there that do not know the difference between a grey, roan and Sabino. Or just nice healthy dapples for that matter.

Have also had someone tell me a just turning grey horse was a roan. It wasn't...horse was just a nice grey. The mare was on the farm too.. and she was grey too but much lighter since she was older. Was a horse I was looking at in the past...did not really care about the color but they were not happy I pointed out they just had a grey horse. I love the grey coloring.

Added:

What I call Sabino "ticking"" is what others call Sabino Roaning. I have found that people get confused with Roan and Sabino Roaning. Why I do not use the word Roan with the Sabino coloring/Ticking.

[Gothika]

Interesting..So if she's a Sabino Roan, am I still allowed to put her in odd coloured classes which allow roans?

Thanks

[JOJOBA]

Though your horse just looks like he has some beautiful healthy dapples!

Good to know! He wasnt exactly healthy (more wrong with him than any horse Ive ever met!) so Im glad I was making him look well!
(check out the feet / back too, what a nightmare).

xxx

[ShariN]

Interesting..So if she's a Sabino Roan, am I still allowed to put her in odd coloured classes which allow roans?

Thanks


She has Sabino roaning... Not the same as a Roan. ;)
For the shows....just depends on how they do the color classes.

[Gothika]

I only meant if it states open to spotted/roan/ect ect..Only local level, we havn't been kicked out yet -laughs-

[holz]

My horse is roan and he was by a bay mare and colourd stallion. Also my mare was roan when i bought her and now shes grey but we new she would. xx

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[JOJOBA]

Holz I believe that makes your horse Sabino, same as the one above. Im fairly sure to be roan you have to have a roan parent. And if your other horse greyed out then she wasnt roan as ShariN and Chev said - roans stay the same colour all their lives.
A coloured parent makes the likelihood that the horse is sabino, right?

xxx

[chev]

Jo, you're right - one parent must be roan in order for a foal to be roan. Bay x coloured won't give you roan; it's more than likely sabino roaning.

Colour genes don't pop up randomly - they can only be passed down from the parents. So if neither parent is roan, a foal cannot possibly be.

[Cupcake]

My pony is a roan (I think :p)
I love her colour.
http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a222/chelsea1991/100_3871.jpg
http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a222/chelsea1991/100_3868.jpg

[Gurnosstud]

Can the roan gene be hidden, like the cream gene, where it can be undetected for several genarations? I mean if I had a bay and a roan and the foal came out bay, would this foal be able to produce roans?

[chev]

No - roan is a dominant gene. If a horse carries roan, they will look roan.

[Gurnosstud]

No - roan is a dominant gene. If a horse carries roan, they will look roan.


Ok, thanks!

[holz]

But he looks proper bay roan. 29691

[chev]

He does - he is bay roan. Which means the parents were not a bay and a coloured; one at least must also have been roan.

[JOJOBA]

Is Cupcake's horse roan or Sabino Chev? Her whole neck is chestnut?

xxxx

[kerenza]

Cupcake's pony looks like a rabicano (sp??) to me - but have to admit the more I learn about horse colour genetics, the more confused I am, lol!

[holz]

The people who sold him to us must have lied then. We bought him years ago b4 passports and thing. Oh well i dont care lol still love him. I have had horses all my life and really didnt know that thanks chev. U learn some thing new every day lol. x

[chev]

Is Cupcake's horse roan or Sabino Chev? Her whole neck is chestnut?

xxxx

Possibly rabicano, hard to say without being able to see the head of her tail. She'd have a very distinctive 'skunk tail' if she's rabicano.

To be honest, looking at those socks and the blaze, I'd be inclined to think it's sabino. Sabino roaning can be really extensive.