Dun horses?

[avaadora]

Hi everyone,

Hopefully this isn't a really stupid question but here goes...

Dun is my favourite colouring but I've only ever seen ponies (well fjord horses too although maybe they're counted as pony type?) that are dun and I wondered if it's possible to get dun in horsey horses and not just ponies? Anybody know?

Thanks.

[marsden]

yeah you can! :D

got to agree nothing beats a dun.... just don't tell my bay mare that! ;)

[Libbyo]

Fjord is a breed of horse not pony. Dont let ANYONE tell you diffrerent. Golden Dun is the most regular colour of fjords in the UK. My older Belgiun fjord has streets of chestnut in her coat.

[Pink's lady]

They're not hugely common but they do exist.

This is Arthur from a RS in the borders. (not me riding;)) He's 16.2hh welsh x TB (probably)

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v715/Pinkslady/Other%20horses/Arthurjumping.jpg

I'm not sure what happened to him - not had a lesson for ages and my friend said he wasn't there last time she was down.

He's fabulous. Forward going with the most amazing canter and huge jump. Been there, done that, got the t-shirt horse.

I've yet to met a bad dun. They are usually cheeky and fizzy but great fun.

[lachlanandmarcu]

Hes absolutely gorgeous!

my fave colour too- my darling pony at RS when I was small was a dun welshie with a white face yum yum.

Blue Circle Boy - theres another good one.

had to settle for second best a chessie/flaxen Haflinger barbie doll !:D

[marsden]

I've yet to met a bad dun. They are usually cheeky and fizzy but great fun.


I've only met one 'bad' dun :rolleyes: don't think anyone came out its stable without a kick or bite mark! ;)

But i do agree i love them! One of the ponies that taught me to ride was a golden dun and i've been hooked ever since! :D

[Pink's lady]

I've only met one 'bad' dun don't think anyone came out its stable without a kick or bite mark!

Clearly not a dun then - just a palamino with his mane dyed black;) :p

[horse__obsessed]

ive never met a bad dun

[marsden]

Clearly not a dun then - just a palamino with his mane dyed black;) :p

haha maybe! it was a big bleep bleep ;)

[KarinUS]

There are lots of Dun Quarter Horses. And Buckskins (which most people probably couldn't tell apart anyway).

http://www.justamere.com/newsletter/color.asp

[PinkGlamourGurl]

I've always wanted a dun. Theyre just gorgeous! But I always found that theyre mainly ponies :p

[shandy84]

Brambles mum is Dun she's a pure bred NF :)

[Soot]

*points*

OT, but I've ridden Arthur back when he was a green monster!

Fab horse :D. We used to ride there for team training ...

[connieD]

someone needs to tell my dun that duns are good!!

[varkie]

I love duns - we breed them - tho it's important that they are a great colour on top of brilliant conformation, paces & temperament - colour alone is not enough.

I think tho that many of you aren't actually talking about duns, but rather about buckskins, which many people think are duns, but are a totally different thing! Pinkslady - I'm fairly sure yours is a buckskin. A proper dun is a gene in it's own right, and is a diluter of a colour, i.e. bay dun, chestnut dun etc. A dun must always have a dun parent - it's a dominant gene & always shows if carried. Also, a dorsal is not enough to label a horse as a dun - there are false dorsals. Buckskin is the action of the cream gene on a bay horse.

Here are our duns:

This is our stallion Teddy - bay dun
http://www.varkiesstud.co.uk/assets/images/Teddy_-_2007_October_08.JPG

Our colt Rogan - blue dun (actually dun on a black base - called blue dun/grulla)
http://www.varkiesstud.co.uk/assets/images/CIMG1302.JPG

Broodmare Winni - chestnut dun
http://www.varkiesstud.co.uk/assets/images/Winni_Grazing_02.JPG

Another broodie Elsa - chestnut dun
http://www.varkiesstud.co.uk/assets/images/2007_September_01.JPG

Broodie Kizzie - bay dun
http://www.varkiesstud.co.uk/assets/images/Kizzie.JPG

Broodie Saffi - blue dun
http://www.varkiesstud.co.uk/assets/images/CIMG1581.JPG

Yearling filly Viva - blue dun
http://www.varkiesstud.co.uk/assets/images/Aug_2007_01.JPG

This years foal Verity - chestnut dun
http://www.varkiesstud.co.uk/assets/images/Aug_2007_011.JPG

Other foal this year Viveka - chestnut dun
http://www.varkiesstud.co.uk/assets/images/07_October_01.jpg

[shandy84]

So does that mean because Bramble has come out chestnut that her mum was buckskin not dun?

[chev]

The picture of Arthur is buckskin, not dun. Duns don't have pitch black points; the dun dilutes black points too.

Dun doesn't occur in TBs, Connemaras, Welshies - in fact I think Shetlands and Highlands are the only native breeds to carry dun. Not sure about NF ponies. Would have to look that up. But even if Bramble isn't dun, it doesn't mean her mum wasn't (assuming for now that dun occurs in NF) - it just means she didn't pass it on this time.

Blue Circle Boy is another buckskin, not dun.

[Wally]

I would call your chestnut duna red dun.

[rebelcowgirl]

This is my registered, 28 year old AQHA mare. Notice that the points are not pure black, there is brown mixed in. She doesn't have the zebra stripping on the legs but not all duns do. She does have the dorsal stripe though.

[Peanut]

Dun doesn't occur in TBs, Connemaras,

Chev, when I was looking for my mare I saw an advert for a stunning "chocolate dun" tb x connemara (sadly beyond my price range).

What colour is chocolate dun technically?

[chev]

Chocolate dun is a term used to describe any dilute-type colour that the owner can't identify! Cream dun is another term used.

If it's a TB x Con odds on it's a sooty buckskin - basically a dark bay with a copy of the cream gene.

I have a silver dapple colt described on his passport as 'dark palomino/dun' - he is neither!

[Peanut]

Thanks chev :)

"sooty" is a great word and very descriptive! It had a slightly darker base colour to Arthur with the sooty effect and darker legs/face. Quite stunning and rather unusual. :)

[ShariN]

Kiger Mustangs for the most part are shades of Dun... think big horse Dun's are out there. Some of the Spanish breeds will have Dun coloring.
One of my friends had a Red and Blue Dun Icelandic foals this summer. Will have to dig up the photos.

This is a friends Yellow Dun Icelandic stud colt. This picture it is hard to see the shoulder stripe and leg barring..but it is there. Legs are not as dark as they look. Will have to find my other pictures of him.
http://www.lonecedaricelandichorses.com/images/Bjrann/Full.JPG
This is his Dam..
http://www.lonecedaricelandichorses.com/images/Bjrann/Bylgja.jpg

Most Duns have some kind of leg barring...this is one of the darker ones I have seen.
http://www.icelandichorse.is/reddun/zebra.jpg

I had a Blue Dun Icelandic mare for awhile...but would have to scan the snap shots.

All Duns have some kind of netting or masking on their face.

[~Perdita.M~]

Is my Teddy a proper dun? He has a dorsal stripe...:confused:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v294/fenellamaxwell/DSCF3261.jpg

[Soot]

Tarpan horses are dun right?
There used tovbe a breeding programme near my old house. They had those zebra stripey things as well. Gorgeous horses.

[ShariN]

He looks like he has a mask on his face. Does he have any pattering(is that a word??:D) to his legs? And is one of his parents a Dun?

There are some non Dun Tarpan's out there.;)

[~Perdita.M~]

I don't know about his legs. I didn't check when he came and now he is yeti hairy so I cant see properly anyway:D I will see if I can find some other pics including legs. His face is darker yes...His mum was coloured, no idea about his dad as they didn't know she was in foal when she came to them.:)

[chev]

The dorsal stripe loks promising - in non-duns, it tends to be darker than the body colour. In dun horses (and ponies!) the stripe is body colour - ie a stripe of undiluted body colour. So a bay dun will have that flat, washed-out dilute body colour, but a stripe of bay colour. A non dun tends to have more 'gold' tones and the pseudo stripe is usually darker than coat colour.

[White-Blazes]

Varike, I'm baffled, your pic of Winni (chestnut dun), do you have any others? She looks chestnut/flaxen to me, like my shetland gelding:confused:

[varkie]

Winni definitely a dun, and I believe her to be a chestnut dun as opposed to a dunalino, as she has a darker head than body, and tends to get darker in the winter than in the summer. I do intend to get her genetically tested soon tho to be sure there isn't a cream gene hiding in there! She is definitely a dun tho - has a lovely clear crisp dorsal, chestnut in colour. Plus, assuming this stallion has been correctly registered, she has had three foals with a previous owner to the same stallion, a palomino - two pallys & a dun.

You can see a few other pics of her here - dont' seem to have many of her tho, and she has varied a bit depending on which camera has been used.

http://www.varkiesstud.co.uk/html/winni.html

[KarinUS]

No shame in being 'just' a buckskin. I think even the famous Hollywood Dun It was a buckskin...

http://www.mcquaystables.com/breeding/breeding_HDI.htm

I actually like the 'real' black points on a Buckskin better. My Minose (http://users.wireweb.net/rdbaker/1min1006.jpg) is 'just' a Bucksin.

[chev]

Your Mimose is also one of my favourite horses. She is such a beautiful colour :)

[White-Blazes]

Winni definitely a dun, and I believe her to be a chestnut dun


I don't doubt you, you have so many varying shades of dun, it's amazing the wide variation:eek: Lovely shetties:D

[varkie]

Thanks WB - we're rather fond of them! Duns definitely come in more shades than people realise - one reason we like them - they are so diverse, yet all have that same 'something' about them - can't describe it, it's that kind of flat shade that the dun gene adds to the coat - lovely.

As for a horse being 'just' a buckskin, I don't think a horse should be described as 'just' a buckskin in a derogatory sense. A buckskin isn't a lesser animal because it is a buckskin & not a dun - it's just different. I even own a buckskin myself! But I am a bit mystified - can't see that anyone referred to a buckskin as being 'just' a buckskin?