Section A and Section C, the difference is?

[No_Angel]

I have a welsh pony who I have always believed is a Welsh Section A, but I have just seen a Section C for sale who looks very similar.
My Welsh is 12hh or 12.1hh, very chunky, and last time I took her to a show with Welsh ponies she looked like a tank compared to them. She carries an adult easily.
How can I tell if she is more A or C?
She is as chunky as my Welsh D, but with less feathers.

[coyote]

the welsh sections are all determined on height/type this link might help.:)
http://www.wpcs.uk.com/society/index.html

[chev]

Sec A is the Welsh Mountain pony. Should be typical pony, small head, free action, but definitely pony in quality. The Sec C is bigger, and should be pony of cob type. So more of a cob action, more substance, less pony in type. Think small pony-like D.

[Gurnosstud]

May I add, you can have a section C under 12hh because you can not transfer an A to a C or vice versa. So it is quite possible that yours is a C. Have you got any pictures and I will tell you as I breed both As and Cs.

[coyote]

yes piccys would be very helpfull.:rolleyes:

[No_Angel]

she looks like a section a, but is very chunky compared to a lot of A's ive seen
http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b242/madams_walk/susie/scan0011.jpg
http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b242/madams_walk/susie/Picture0197.jpg

my registered section d (c x d)
http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b242/madams_walk/ceryn/ceryninbarefootarizonalookingsexy.jpg

[Maddison's girl]

yup she looks similar to Snowman (who is an A)

lol sorry thats no help at all is it!!:D

http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c392/maddison07/pics005.jpg

[horse__obsessed]

maybe a cross between the two? ;)

[*-crazy-chaz-*]

i think she may be a sec. c. she does look like a d. c's are d's but under 14.2hh :) hope this helps

[Gurnosstud]

i think she may be a sec. c. she does look like a d. c's are d's but under 14.2hh :) hope this helps

Thats not true. C's should be much more pony looking than a D and are under 13.2hh

Anyway. Back to the matter in hand, she looks like a good size substantial section A to me. A lot of the A's in the shows are a smaller type, you rarely see an up to height sec A.
If she is a section C, she has probably got a lot of A blood in her (if you cross an A with a C you automatically get a C) but I would say she is an A. She is very nice whatever section she is!

[chev]

I'd say A too. She's a nice example of an A too.

This is one of my As... also quite a chunky little colt (he is a yearling)

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/bronyfelin-ponies/Dec071.jpg

[No_Angel]

Thank you, looks like she is an A then, just a huge chunky one:D

I was told her dam was a Welsh show pony (don't know what section) and that her sire was from the stud down the road and he was one of **** Swains ponies, I found this stud that mentions **** Swain which is not far from where I got her.
http://www.crosswaysstud.com

[Dinsarsio]

she looks a nice example of a section A. Looks like the coed coch stamp

[ambatt]

Oh! It is a Bob photo Chev - he is maturing into an absolute stunner, even in his winter woollies! He has filled out a lot, gorgeous boy.

No_Angel - your section A is like the Section A I had as a child, the chunkier ones were far more common then, and were fab to ride.

[chickflick1066]

Susie's a lovely girl :D

[*-crazy-chaz-*]

Thats not true. C's should be much more pony looking than a D and are under 13.2hh

really? how can something look like a pony? :confused: a pony is a horse under 14.2. & welsh c's are welsh cobs/d's under 14.2

[Gurnosstud]

The welsh section C originated from crossing As with Ds to get the pony like quality. They are not simply under height section Ds. Some do look very much like Ds and lose they pony qualities (small ears, large eyes, dished face etc).
You tell me that this, an example of a RW winning D
http://www.welshcobs.info/pages/BrynmelysCracker.htm

looks exactly like this
http://www.welshcobs.info/pages/aberaeronidris.htm

And yes, a section D can be a pony. Over 13.2hh is a D. Stupid, I know, but i didn't make the rules!

[laceyfreckle]

i would agree she looks like a sec A

I haev a substantial sec A too.........the older types are more substamtial and are personally how i like them!

Here's my boy

http://i156.photobucket.com/albums/t40/laceyfreckle/EBAY1017.jpg
http://i156.photobucket.com/albums/t40/laceyfreckle/EBAY1016.jpghttp://i156.photobucket.com/albums/t40/laceyfreckle/EBAY896.jpg

[mia-baybii]

i have a pure bred coed coch Grey sec A

Alough Yous Does Look Chunky he does look alot like An Sec A.

You Should Measure Him.
A's Do Not Ever Grow Over 12hh

Dont know if thats any help:p

[Amanogawa]

I used to work for a welsh stud in west wales (it's what brought me to these shores originally) and I was told that yes, crosses were made within the sections and that in such cases the foal would be classed the same as what the mother was. IE from a sec a stallion and sec c mare any offspring would automatically be registerable as a sec c regardless of traits.

I agree the mare definetly looks more like a sec A though but maybe the above would explain why...

Yan

[chev]

Not quite true - A x C is always C whichever parent the C was. B x D is registered as C *or* D. A x B is a B. Ponies can be transferred from A to B if they go overheight for A, and from C to D if they go overheight for C. A D that doesn't make 13.2hh can be transferred to C but a B that goes overheight cannot be transferred to D; they are simply overheight!

[Amanogawa]

Thanx Chev for clearing that up, thought what I heard sounded a bit too one way!

[welshrbest]

the difference between a section a and a c is the height, a's are under 12hands and c's are over 12hands and under13.2. her passport will also tell you what section she is

[Chip]

A's Do Not Ever Grow Over 12hh



The hieght limit for a Section is 12hh, but a fair few section A's do grow over this height

I have a Coed Coch Secion A too:D but he's for sale:(