*Would you ....?*

[x-degan-x]

BREED from lottie??
16hh 17yo hannoverion x appaloosa
Good points
superb bloodline (from a 3day eventer appaloosa mare X grand prix dressage hanoverian sire )
bred to be a 3 day eventer
allmost perfect conformation
won at county level as a foal
wonderful personality
beatifull floaty paces
very scopey jump and loves it
Not quite so good points
has had sarcoids
hasnt bred before
sometimes has appaloosa tendencies (can be a bit of a scardy cat)

her main problem is that she had a bad acciedent before my mum bought her when she was about 4 ,as someone jumped her over we think a barbed wire fence which scared her legs and as she has got older can become lame
she also has had a bad kick to her hock which doesnt help her
and so is not always sound
AND (yes theres more) her stifle can slip out so this also can make her unsound.

so the big question is would you breed from her???

[chev]

No, I wouldn't. Scarring wouldn't bother me but the stifle would. There is a chance she'd pass that on.

[Blitzen]

is the stifle problem as a result of the accident?

I'd be wary having a foal from a maiden mare at 17yo.
My friends mare is also maiden, and is now confirmed in foal. she is approaching 15 years in the new year, and the vets strongly advised that my friend get her covered a few months ago if she wants to breed, as next year, she could be too old - they're all different though.

Sarcoids are the other thing - I wish to breed from my mare in the future, and she has just finished sarcoid treatment. On advice of my vet, some will say sarcoids are hereditary, some say no, but the correct answer is, that no one really know's whether they are or not, as there is just not enough research available.
Also, dependant on what sarcoid treatment, if any, that your mare has, the BCG injection treatment can cause mares to abort if pregnant.
What would your intentions be for a foal?

[x-degan-x]

blitzen yes the stifle is from an accident.
she has whats called a luxating pattela which is basically where 1 or more of the mucsel/ ligaments has been torn so this means that the stifle can slip and get stuck.

i hope that that makes sense. :o

[chev]

Luxating patella is a condition that can be passed on to foals.

[x-degan-x]

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[Plopple]

im not much help, but shes very pretty.

[x-degan-x]

chev- :eek: is that possible if its from an injury not from conformation issues??? as its something that is in her case due to an injury envolving the ligaments from sevre muscle wastage.
thankyou for your advice

[chev]

What would worry me is the possibility (or maybe probability) that the inury happened because of a weakness there already.

[thor]

it is generally a condition, that is a defect, that is made worse by lack of muscle tone, generally horses become a lot better with the condition if kept in work. I had a gelding with it, who if was nto kept in work woudl be terrible with both hind stifles. it is not something a horse generally gets from lack of muscle tone. As the problem its self is to do with the ligaments in the area. however having good muscle tone in the area helps supports the ligaments and thats why it helps the condtion.

as both locking stifles and saracoids can be heredritry this for me woudl be enougth to say no.
Also 17 years old is not generally too old for a brood mare, however for a maiden it can be harder to get them in foal at this age.

[x-degan-x]

thankyou for your opinions

[Afellpony]

No I wouldn't breed from her.

[Jessica23]

I wouldnt breed from her, but my main concern wouldnt be what she could pass on, it would be the fact that the stress the added weight of carrying a foal would put on her legs might cause her problems if she is not sound already. Its not worth the risk to her IMO. Shame though, as it sounds like she would be a very nice mare and produce something nice with the right stallion. But her welfae should be the priority :)

[pineapple]

if she has no pelvis problems before the injury then i would breed from her given all the plus points you have said. but only if the lameness wasnt there before the injury.

[blackhorses]

Deffinatly wouldn't breed from her, one because of what she will pass on as others have said, her conformation will have predisposed her to the luxating patella, it is just the same in dogs too - we get loads of Westies in with luxating patellas as it has been passed on by poor breeding. Also the weight of a foal is considerable especially in the last few months as she will not only have the weight of the foal but the placenta and fluids, which I would have thought would put her at a very high risk of injury. Also a 17yr old maiden should be retired and just a field ornament!!:D

[skewpie]

my 15 yr old maiden mare is due to foal in may she is turned out and very fit and healthy, the vet as very positive about her age and pregnancy and suggested i kept riding which i did till dec
i think if your friend gets her vets opinion it may help each case is different

[Wally]

Slipping stifles is a big no-no breeding wise.

[Ollie Bears mum]

The stifle would be the only sticking pointfor me, the sarcoids would not be a problem, in the past we had a mare who was covered in them, and her foals commanded a very high price at tattersalls. She may be more difficult to get in foal, but many proven showjumpers/eventers are not put in foal till later in life, if she is fitish and healthy there shouldn't be to ,uch of a problem.

[**jet**]

Me neither not much to add that the others havent already said sorry stifle prob big no

[Bay Mare]

No, I'm sorry, I wouldn't breed from her either because of the stifle problem :(

If you're wanting a foal, though, there are plenty out there needing a good home.