New ruling on white in Welsh ponies.

[chev]

At a meeting of the council in December it was decided that "excessive white" in Welsh ponies should be discouraged. Piebald and skewbald including tobiano and overo patterns will not be registered in the main stud book. This means that loudly marked splash or sabino ponies will not be accepted for registration, and judges are empowered to judge according to their personal preference.

It's not quite clear how much white is considered excessive, but those breeding for loud sabino and splash markings might find their loud ponies registerable only in section X of the stud book now.

[lachlanandmarcu]

Would a 'nebo' white splash on the tummy be a negative then? not v big splash, only other white on black Welsh D is face/stockings?

[chev]

I'm not sure. There have been some very successful cobs with a lot of white - Danaway Tango springs to mind. Not certain how much white is 'eccessive'!

[White-Blazes]

The WPCS have refused to register a full D foal due to the white spash on it's side, it appears above the 'line' (forgotton what the correct term is now) - sad really because she is a full welsh D - she will now be registered as a category X and her foals if any won't be registered as full either.

[pineapple]

white on the legs is fine but only socks.

white on the face is ok, for example a star or stripe. even ponies with large blazes can be acceptable but their conformation would have to be ultra special.
really big blazes and wall eyes etc. are frowned upon.

excessive white would prob be lots of white on the legs(to the knees on more than one leg) and face(a blaze) .

[Anro]

is it just me that finds that kinda stuped?:o

[Palomino Mare]

nooooo!!!

i can understand splashed etc to an extent but - stockings and blazes???

i have a trip planned to a well known stud in spring and was hoping to come across a pony with quite a bit of white - most of their foals have alot of white....gutted!!

[chev]

I have a feeling that it would mean those who are eligible for registration with say CHAPS; so white above the elbow/stifle line. I wouldn't like to speculate.

Unfortunately that could well include those with excessive roaning on flanks, belly splashes and so on. It doesn't mention blue eyes, which are still ok for registration. There will probably be a fuller report sometimes soon.

In one way I can understand it; some people are breeding more for colour than quality, and there are aspects of colour that might be cause for concern (like deafness in splash whites).

But when the splash and sabino genetics are so common in Welshies... I dunno.

[jinglejoys]

"In one way I can understand it; some people are breeding more for colour than quality, and there are aspects of colour that might be cause for concern (like deafness in splash whites)."

Now it looks as though they are going to breed for more colour than quality:D

Sorry just butting in as I don't breed but I do hate the way judges and breeders go for certain colours and ban other:)

[White-Blazes]

excessive white would prob be lots of white on the legs(to the knees on more than one leg) and face(a blaze) .

No it's not the legs and faces, it's the body, bellies, chests etc

[Nik-n-Kia]

No it's not the legs and faces, it's the body, bellies, chests etc


God thank god for that as I will be looking for a black or bay welsh D youngster hopefully with white on legs or face or non not really bothered. Kia has quite a bit of roaning on him but it ends on his neck and the rest of him is black. He has two white socks tho and I was getting worried that I wouldnt be able to enter him for shows. He isnt reg anyway but I enter him in MM classes and in unaffiliated welsh classes.

Nikki xxxx

[Palomino Mare]

there's a sec a for sale on horsemart just now with a very very white face (didnt want to post the link) would that be "too much"

[chev]

I don't think so. I am sure it's just those ponies who'd be eligible for registration with the colour societies, so it would have to extend onto the neck. Don't quote me on that though - I've just reported what they've said so far, and that doesn't include details of what foals will be too white and which won't.

[laceyfreckle]

so just checking..........Claret's (sec A) white eyeliner wouldn't be a problem?

[chev]

Not at all. I think it's those with big belly splashes or white extending up past the stifle or shoulder they'll be targeting.

[White-Blazes]

I think it's those with big belly splashes or white extending up past the stifle or shoulder they'll be targeting.

That's how I understand it also - don't think white faces come into it, or stockings. I prefer mine with white on them, but not on the bodies, though one of my mares has a white tennis ball on her underneath by her bellybutton, and as she is in foal to Derwen Trot On, by Tireinon Step On, I've been teasing hubby if the foal has a tennis ball too, it will be called Monravon Spot On:eek::D

[pineapple]

i was told by a judge that they dont like a lot of white on the legs or face and are told not to place them highly, but to judge them on conformation first and only go to colour if you cant choose between two ponies.

personally i dont think that white should be allowed on the body as coloured arnt allowed and this is basically a coloured.

[chev]

That's just one judge though pineapple - you only need to look at cobs like Danaway Tango who has won everywhere to see that not all judges dislike white.

[eventerbabe]

http://www.wpcs.uk.com/society/whitemarkings07.html

stockings, blazes etc are not excessive. As chev said, it's those with splashes etc. that they are trying to weed out. I am the proud owner of a registered section D who's got 4 white stockings and a massive blaze, he's certainly not looked down upon in the show ring.

[chev]

Danaway Tango (http://www.welshcobs.info/pages/danawaytango.htm) and Nebo Brenin (http://www.welshcobs.info/pages/nebobrenin.htm) illustrating that there are plenty of judges out there who like a bit of chrome :)

There are some judges who will go for a bit of colour (palomino or buckskin), others who prefer black or bay, some that hate blue eyes, others who don't.

What this new ruling means is that there simply won't be loudly marked Welshies out there, whatever the judges preference.

[lachlanandmarcu]

what about the ones that are already registered? eg we have a 3yo at our stables with a small belly splash - shes fully registered already....?:confused:

[chev]

I imagine those already registered will be ok. It would be a nightmare trying to transfer them all to Sec X, and for what gain really? I think you'll just see the louder ponies not doing so well in the ring. Sad really.

[pineapple]

what about the ones already registered will they be at a disadvantage now. oh sorry you already answered that

[Sammii]

what about the ones already registered will they be at a disadvantage now.

Read below..

I imagine those already registered will be ok. It would be a nightmare trying to transfer them all to Sec X, and for what gain really? I think you'll just see the louder ponies not doing so well in the ring. Sad really.

[pineapple]

i know i edited my post:)

[White-Blazes]

I am the proud owner of a registered section D who's got 4 white stockings and a massive blaze, he's certainly not looked down upon in the show ring.

One of my mares has 4 socks and a wide blaze, she was a medal winning mare in her day too:)