Dressage speak!

[Peanut]

What does kur (?sp) mean? Dressage commentators often mention this word and talk of Anky van G being "queen of the kur" and I have no idea what they mean.

[Roofio]

It's Rollkur i think - a not very pleasant to say the least training method used by some dressagey bods.
http://www.sustainabledressage.com/rollkur/how.php

[Wally]

Isn't Kur dresage to music?

[Roofio]

ooh i dunno!

eta - http://www.klassickur.com/ yup!!

oops!

[Peanut]

Thank you - it is certainly always said in a very complimentary way!

[jenmac_85]

I wondered what that meant as well. Read it in Horse and Hound. Felt a bit stupid lol.

Jenny and Tyler
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[Bay Mare]

What does kur (?sp) mean? Dressage commentators often mention this word and talk of Anky van G being "queen of the kur" and I have no idea what they mean.

She's certainly the queen of rollkur ;)


Yes, Kur is used for freestyle dressage to music :D

[dressagexreo]

Kur is a term for Musical Freestyle.

[vimto92]

Ahhh! Good thread!:D
I too have heard that mentioned and haven't really had the slightest - but Anky does some of the best musical freestyles ever! Every beat is choreographed to her horses footfalls (or should I say hooffalls/beats:confused::o:p) and thats why she doesn't always make exact turns because she plays it by the music. :) Its nice to watch but I hate rollkur and don't see why she does it... its almost like a shortcut that gets you nowhere:confused:

[DavidH]

Kur is Gran Prix level dressage to music. It is the second part of international Gp dressage comps. Compulsory test first (no music) then the Kur. R3esults of both tests are added together to give the winner.

[Lgd]

Results of both tests are added together to give the winner.

Not from this year :D They've separated it out now. Taking more through to the GP special - can't remember if it's 24 or 30. GP on its own will determine the team competition. The combination of GP + GPS will determine one set of individual medals.

Then top so many (15 or 20) will do the kur as well for another set of individual medals.

So from world games, europeans or olympics you can come home with three dressage medals.

World cup series runs on a different format with GP to qualify for the kur. Top 15 in GP do the kur, placings in the kur get points awarded and your place in the league section determines qualification for the world cup finals which will be in the Netherlands this year.

[DavidH]

Bet anky doesn't like that. ;)

[Skib]

David H is right.
The English word KUR come from the German word for freestyle in sport. And if you want to know what the horses currently have to do in competition you need to buy the grandprix and freestyle tests from British dressage -

We need a German on NR to clarify things but my impression is that

KUR meaning any freestyle sport (and thus dressage to music) comes from the German word Kür with an umlaut accent. Germans with no accents on their computers would write it as Kuer. Because the internet was invented by English speakers and accents can be a problem. Kür lost its German accent.

And thus became indistinguishable from another German word Kur which never had an accent in the first place.

I cant prove it but I suspect that KUR in rollkur comes from this second, different German word Kur which means a cure or treatment.
Hence Rollkur - an exercise to encourage forward rolling movement.


Because it costs money to educate yourself in dressage speak, even after buying an expensive encyclopdia of dressage one may well still be in the dark. As I probably am.

[Skib]

My OH who is the linguist says he thinks I am wrong about this. If so, I will delete the above post.

[DavidH]

Because it costs money to educate yourself in dressage speak, even after buying an expensive encyclopdia of dressage one may well still be in the dark. As I probably am.
Which is why i stick to showjumping. Pole still on jump = good, pole on floor = bad. perfect for a simple fella like me. Although, working out all the rules for the various tables can be tricky and dont even get me started on notional prize money variations :eek:

[GraceT]

Kur is a term for Musical Freestyle.

Yep thats what I thought

[Wally]

David H, a man after my own heart!....but not the jumping bit! I'd rather do a sport where the clock or poles/cones up = good, down =bad.

opinions don't enterin to it then!