breeding clydie mare,but what with??

[devonlass]

I have a pure bred registered clydesdale mare and would love to have a foal out of her.

I don't want to breed with another clydie as I would like something a bit smaller for me,so am thinking of a x breed,but what???

Would also prefer natural covering,although not essential.

Only studs very local to me are quarter horse,warmblood and andalucian what does anyone think of these combinations??

I am assuming the warmblood combination would be fairly large,but guess it doesn't always work out that way,has anyone got experience of that particular combination,or indeed any of the others I mentioned.

All ideas and experiences of any clydie x would be most appreciated.

Also could anyone tell me if foal could be registered in any way,as it would only be a part bred of either breed??

Many thanx

[Palomino Mare]

i know a few TB crosses that are good allrounders. some warmbloods wont be as big as you think either - my warmbloods are often mistaken for tb/arab crosses so you might find a nice light one

[devonlass]

i know a few TB crosses that are good allrounders. some warmbloods wont be as big as you think either - my warmbloods are often mistaken for tb/arab crosses so you might find a nice light one


Thanks for that,is interesting about your warmbloods,I was assuming that warmblood x would be fairly huge,but maybe not then.I guess they are all different.
Not overly keen on TB's to be honest,although I know they make a good cross breed in a lot of cases.

Thanx again for the info,have you got any pics of your lighter built warmbloods that you could put up?? Would love to see them:)

[camel]

Theres a lady with a Clydesdale/WBx horse on plusrider (another horsey forum) called Brook ... absolutely stunning but HUGE (18.1hh I think)

Any pics of you Mare? I love Clydies:D

xx

[devonlass]

Theres a lady with a Clydesdale/WBx horse on plusrider (another horsey forum) called Brook ... absolutely stunning but HUGE (18.1hh I think)

Any pics of you Mare? I love Clydies:D

xx

18.1hh!!!:eek: that huge,definately don't want one that big,would never be able to get on it!!! Have to use a pair of steps to get on my girl as it is:o

Have got a couple of pics from when I first got her (they not great pics as she wasn't in the best condition when I got her,but don't have any recent ones I'm afraid)

http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j40/angelterri28/2003_0101Image0008.jpg
http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j40/angelterri28/2003_0101Image0012-1.jpg
http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j40/angelterri28/2003_0101Image0017.jpg

[ambatt]

I am biased but would say PRE (Andalusian) I have seen a PRE cross Shire and he was an absolute babe, very laid back and relaxed with a kind nature and boy, could he MOVE!

[marsden]

another thumbs up for her to be crossed with a TB! My old horse was a TBXClydie and she was done by AI.
I personally love the type and i'm always drawn to them!
The mare i had on loan was TB X Clydesdale and i can say she was mostly TB in the head :p
http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d82/Nikki_and_Rod/Other%20Horses/Biccarton/Savwellgroomed.jpg

Then i had Murphy, who's know owned by Sp1cer on this board. He is hte most loveable guy you will meet loves his cuddles and his kisses and has one of the most laid back horses i've met. And he is also mega talented, every time i took him out i always had admirers :D
This is Murphy
http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d82/Nikki_and_Rod/Murphy/ondrive.jpg
and this is him next to his girlfriend the Warmblood
http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d82/Nikki_and_Rod/Murphy/walkfromuproad.jpg


All the clydie's cross TB's i've came across have had a heart of gold, had the get up and go and I just love them.

Also met a Clydie x Appaloosa and she was gorgeous!

[devonlass]

I am biased but would say PRE (Andalusian) I have seen a PRE cross Shire and he was an absolute babe, very laid back and relaxed with a kind nature and boy, could he MOVE!

That is interesting,out of all the one's I mentioned this combination was the one I was most curious about as I don't know a lot about the breed.Know they are stunning to look at and move well,but didn't know about temp,so is good to hear that the shire x PRE was laid back!!
Do you know what sort of size he was by any chance??

[CurlyWurlyRach]

Your mare is stunning!

Id go for a TB but then, i would!

[Lucyad]

Definately TB, I have one and love them! I always wanted a CD x TB and set out specifically to buy one, and haven't regretted it once (though it took a long time to find one!). He is a great all rounder - quiet hack, superb hunter, showjumps (and getting better all the time), cross country, and his flatwork is only held back by my lack of time and facilities as my RI is impressed by his potential, learning ability and paces. Could show in hunter classes as well. He is also the easiest horse to look after ever - he is so obliging.

I have met quite a few other CD X TB, especially since owning him I always ask people with similar looking horses. Most seem to share the same trainable, genuine, laid back attitudes.

Mine is 16.3hh which seems pretty typical of the ones I have seen - some are slightly smaller. he is so laid back you could use him as a lead rein pony though (and then gallop off into the distance after kiddy had finished!).

Here are a couple of pictures of him taken last winter - he was 5/6 in these. (appologies to all who have seen them loads of times - dont have a lot on photobucket).

http://i68.photobucket.com/albums/i40/lucyad/oscar-ingliston2.jpg

http://i68.photobucket.com/albums/i40/lucyad/openeningmeet8.jpg

[lachlanandmarcu]

Ive loved every single Clydie xTB Ive ever seen, and they are also quite sought after as Shire xTB is so thats what I would go for.

[**jet**]

my friend has full clydie just like yours :)shes lovley,i have shire xTB shes about 16.1 at 16 months old! shire head but not shire legs and body,goodluck with your search

[Denbenj]

I used to have a Shire X Andulsian. He was like an armchair to ride, I swear I could of Trotted/cantered on him all day long!!

I think a Andulsian X Cyldey would be lovely!..


Very pretty mare btw, I love heavies x

This was Jakey!

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y183/lenny007xx/pets/Jake.jpg

excuse the dodgy picture was 10 years ago ! :o ALWAYS FASTEN YOUR HAT UP !!! (( hides in corner of room))

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y183/lenny007xx/jake001.jpg

[*Sez*]

TB! I adore thoroughbreds and am a huge supporter of the re-education of ex racehorses, but that aside, I have met some stunning CD X TBs :D. Someone I know has two and they are incredibly gorgeous horses who try so hard to please.

[devonlass]

Thank you for your nice comments on my mare:)

Seems the TB's are a popular choice!!

I really am not a fan of TB's generally,haven't met one yet that wasn't a bit bonkers:rolleyes:.However you can't all be wrong,and certainly the examples of clyde x TB you have all mentioned sound/look stunning.

So does the influence of the clyde seem to calm down the somewhat 'excitable' temp pf the TB?? That would be my main concern about a TBx,I really love the ultra calm temp of the clyde.

The size thing bothers me a little as well,is it maybe possible though to find a TB around 15-15.2hh,or would they generally consider this too small for a TB,and not offer stallions of this size for stud??

Thank you again for all the replies,are most helpful:)

[Nik-n-Kia]

The breeder I got Kia from also bred arabs and arab crosses and she used to breed her arab stallion to her two clydie mares and the off spring her simply devine!!!

Nikki xxxx

[devonlass]

The breeder I got Kia from also bred arabs and arab crosses and she used to breed her arab stallion to her two clydie mares and the off spring her simply devine!!!

Nikki xxxx

Oooh arabs are one of my absolute fave breeds,but really can't imagine them crossed with a clyde!!
What did they look like??

[Nik-n-Kia]

I am sure I had a pic as I was interested in one of the fillys

Bear with me ok!!

Nikki xxxx

[Nik-n-Kia]

I have deleted this as the owner has joined.

Nikki xxx

[*Sez*]

My TB is 15.2 and is gorgeous with good conformation and a lovely temperament, but unfortunately, no longer intact! :p

I've seen a lot of 15.2 TBs for sale recently. Not many 15.1 or 15hh, but 15.2 seems a reasonable height for them, so I imagine you could find a stud reasonably easy.

How much are you planning to spend on your stud? Whitsbury stud (where Salsa was born) have some gorgeous stallions at stud, but I never realised how pricey it is :eek: There's pictures and information on their website. I don't know if they only let their stallions go to racing stock :confused: but I imagine a lot of TB stallions will be at racing studs.

Let us know how you get on in your search for a suitable Dad! :D

[Palomino Mare]

nikki, dont do that to me, i just about fell of my seat!!what a cracker:eek::eek:

here's a pic of my two;

Tiffanys a belgian WB - the newer "style" belgian has a strong TB and or arab look about them as this was introduced to a great extent to get the breed finer -
http://i172.photobucket.com/albums/w28/amydalgleish87/tiff.jpg
http://i172.photobucket.com/albums/w28/amydalgleish87/tiffridinghorse.jpg

jerry is a westphalian x holsteiner but in these pics looks more westphaliany - i recently moved back to the yard i was at when i got him after 3months away and appartently he's really bulked out - that will be teh holsteiner coming through then:rolleyes::D
http://i172.photobucket.com/albums/w28/amydalgleish87/DSC00143.jpg
http://i172.photobucket.com/albums/w28/amydalgleish87/DSC00140.jpg
he's only 5 here and you can see his natural gait in this pic which would be nice with your mare.
but i think my fave choice would be TB:p

[holiday]

Personally, I think you could breed a really nice TB X I feel with the "heavy horses" you need something much lighter to make them into a smaller riding horse - especially depends on the size you want to ride - I assume it is for you, all the heavy horses have quite weak hindquarters from a riding horse point of view they are very close together in their hind legs so they can work in a furrow, so you need to look at something very straight behind to ofset that.

I have two heavy horse x TB both are super and both work to elementary dressage, my Clydesdale x worked to medium but is now in foal.
They all have a fantastic temperament and are super to work with, they can also all jump extremely well.

Clydesdale x - Summer Regionals gaining 7th Place in Elementary
http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e321/Caroneno/mollfrystest.jpg

http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e321/Caroneno/mollfrys.jpg


Shire x
http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e321/Caroneno/jack.jpg

http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e321/Caroneno/jackbrak2.jpg

And my newest shire x 2007 foal - DAVE
http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e321/Caroneno/dave-1.jpg

Good luck with your search for a stallion but I would probually go for a cross which you know works, at least then if it doesnt work out for you there is a much better market to sell it into.

[Wally]

You could do what the lady down the road tired to do, cross her Clydie X mare with a Shetland,

You said you wanted something smaller! ;)

[greasedweasel]

And her is dad!! He was an absolute sweetheart of a stally!!!

Nikki xxxx

Lovely but he's not a pure arab (In fact he looks very familiar, Is it Icon?)

[pineapple]

i would go for the andalusian as well. i have one and he is a lovley comfortable ride with the most amazing temperment. they are usually about 15-16hh so not too big.

[chickflick1066]

You could do what the lady down the road tired to do, cross her Clydie X mare with a Shetland,

You said you wanted something smaller! ;)How big did the foal grow too?

[Denbenj]

niknkia those photos are amazing !! I love the foaly!!

[Pink's lady]

CD x TB everytime! They get most of the TB athleticisms but with the CD temperament. I have liked every one I've met.

I would cross with a lighter build as a MW hunter type is high desireable and can turn their hoof to anything.

They tend to look all fairly similar - some come out better than others.

This is Kalli bear - 16.2 and a bit. BUilt like a tank but a gentle quiet soul but with plenty of get up and go. Her only conformation fault (other than having short legs:o) is she's cow hocked - which is to be expected from a CDx)

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v715/Pinkslady/Kalli/kallibag010.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v715/Pinkslady/Kalli/kalliconf.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v715/Pinkslady/Kalli/Kalli042.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v715/Pinkslady/Kalli/MelJump.jpg

[Mehitabel]

the difficulty with heavy horses and crossing is that when it works, crossing with a lighter breed like TB is fantastic - but it doesn't always work. we have a TB x shire who has the shire head, TB neck, shire body, and TB legs and feet. her legs are not big enough for her body and she looks more like a rhino than a horse due to the head and neck proportions! she is a lovely person, but not up to the weight her general build would suggest as her legs are small for her body, and while we were able to alter her workload to suit her as we're a riding school, she would not have been much use in many homes.

kalli above is a good example of it working - but double her head size, halve her neck and shrink her legs and you'd have our (much loved but now unsound and retired) girl.

[devonlass]

First of all thank you all so much for your replies,wasn't expecting so many and have all been sooooo helpful,so thanks again:)





And her is dad!! He was an absolute sweetheart of a stally!!!

Nikki xxxx

That stally is gorgeous,absolutely breathtaking!!
Did you ever see any of the foals grown up a bit?? Am curious as to how they turned out.

[Nik-n-Kia]

Edited to conform with those in the know :)

Nikki xxx

[devonlass]

Sorry don't know how to quote from various replies,and have lot's of questions about some of the replies so will just have to address you all by name and hope you all see it!!

PALOMINO MARE- Your horses are beautiful!! So you would say the belgian warmbloods are lighter bred?? Do you know if there are any stallions in the UK that are this finer type??

HOLIDAY-Your horses are also very lovely.Am amazed at how much more like TB's they look than the heavier breed,is this often the case in your experience??
You also make a very good point about going for something established and popular if I ever needed to sell.I hadn't really considered this as the whole point was to breed something specifically for me,but I guess you never know what will happen so thank you for making me stop and think about it from that point of view.

WALLY-ROFL:D a clyde and a shettie?? am struggling with the mental image of this!! You are quite right I did say I wanted something smaller,I almost want to try it just to se how it turns out:D

PINK'S LADY-Have admired your Kalli many times,and enjoyed your funny stories about her!! Does she have the temp of the clyde mostly?? You say you have met a few,have they all had the nice laid back clydie attitude??

MEHITABEL-Am sorry to hear your mare didn't get on so well conformation wise,but she sounds lovely all the same:) Have wondered about the heavy/light balance not working out so well.Don;'t suppose there is any way of assuring it will,but do you have any more advice on this??

Sorry for all the Q's but is so much I want to know!!

[Lgd]

If you want to go in the WB direction have a look at the Trakehners or a trakehner x TB. They tend to be lighter and do cross quite well. Also a better chance of improving the hind leg with a trakh or TB x. The more modern type KWPN or Oldenburger stallions would also improve the back end.

[devonlass]

Yes he is PURE BRED ARAB ;)

His name is Aratahnes Azahl. He is curretly in Stud in east Lothian at a farm in East Linton. The lady also has an egyptian PUREBRED bay called Northshalabar. Azahl (or mac for short) has won Prizes at the Royal Highland and was origionaly imported from OZ. You can find his details on allbreedpedigree. Including pictures of his ancestors.

Devon Lass her website is down but I was actually going to purchase Hestia the one I mentioned. Most of his foals turn out to be cream or roan with a few chestnut with white points.

All of her horses were bred beuatifully and there is no mollycoddling. Babies are born in the fields and live out 24/7 with only natural shelter. She never brings them in unless they are being boxed away. She weans them by moving all the babies born at the same time to the other side of the farm. All viewings take place in the fields!! I spent 1+1/2 hours trying to catch Kia in a 12/14 acre field lol!!!

Nikki xxxx

ETA - Most of the foals tend to have slightly arabby faces not pure dish but not Clydie either. Legs are generally just like thicker bones arabby legs and the bodies tend to be heavier set with deeper girth and chest and also well sprung ribs. Perfect Comp horse if you ask me!!

They sound fabby,was worried they would look to heavy,and just wrong somehow as arabs are so fine looking,but sounds good!!
Could you post/PM me the addy/link to her website so I may look at it in the future please Nikki??
Like the sound of how she manages it all,much prefer horses kept/bred as natuarally as poss,although not so good when you go to bring them in as you obviously found out;):D

[Nik-n-Kia]

Sure I am at work just now so I am limited to what I can send you when I get home tonight I should be able to cut and paste lol!!!

Kia was a furry beast living wild in a field when I got him lol!!! He disciplined the babies!!! He was sub Daddy lol!!!

I will get it for you later!! If not I can get you and address to write to as Ann is a very nice person!!

Nikki xxxx

[devonlass]

If you want to go in the WB direction have a look at the Trakehners or a trakehner x TB. They tend to be lighter and do cross quite well. Also a better chance of improving the hind leg with a trakh or TB x. The more modern type KWPN or Oldenburger stallions would also improve the back end.

Are all the Trakehners lighter,or mainly when crossed with the TB? Do you know about average heights for all the one's you've mentioned,are they the usual 16-17hh,but lighter,or are they smaller as well as lighter?? I only ask as don't want to end up with something too massive height wise,although I know this will prove difficult to determine as never can tell for sure when breeding.Thanks for your reply,is much appreciated:)

[devonlass]

Sure I am at work just now so I am limited to what I can send you when I get home tonight I should be able to cut and paste lol!!!

Kia was a furry beast living wild in a field when I got him lol!!! He disciplined the babies!!! He was sub Daddy lol!!!

I will get it for you later!! If not I can get you and address to write to as Ann is a very nice person!!

Nikki xxxx

LOL at the furry beast bit,best hope he doesn't hear you describing that way!!

That would be great Nikki if you could get me those details,many thanx:)

[chev]

Yes he is PURE BRED ARAB

Sorry to disagree but no, he's not pure Arab. He's palomino, and there is no cream gene in Arabs. He may well be very high percentage Arab but pure bred he is not.

[s4sugar]

Lovely but he's not a pure arab (In fact he looks very familiar, Is it Icon?)
Yes he is PURE BRED ARAB

Aratahnes Azahl is about 3/4 Arab not pure bred - he is stunning though.

I used to know a clydie X tb who was a lovely heavyweight hunter until you got down to the dinner plate feet.

Looking at USA sites you can see a lot of QH x Clydedales and they look useful animals.
There are lots of under 16HH TBs at stud but do look at the pedigree & don't chose one with 17HH close relatives.;)

Sue

[Pink's lady]

PINK'S LADY-Have admired your Kalli many times,and enjoyed your funny stories about her!! Does she have the temp of the clyde mostly?? You say you have met a few,have they all had the nice laid back clydie attitude??

She is rather lovely:o Mind you, I don't think she's a brillaintly put together animal. She's ok, just not stunning. She's the nicestly horsey possible though.

She is so laid back she's horizonal but definitly not lazy. She pretty much bombproof and very tolerant - she does her RDA stint perfectly.

All tb x cd I've met have been the same. Laid back and chilled by not lazy They also aren't the sharpest tool in the box. 'Stoopid' describes Kalli bear perfectly:o

Charging about bareback - I've taken her out all over the place bareback.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v715/Pinkslady/Kalli/joshandpink028.jpg

Being a good citizen with my disabled friend

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v715/Pinkslady/Pink/Josh/028editted.jpg

and having a blast the next day (would highy recommend you turn the sound down!!!)

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v715/Pinkslady/Kalli/th_paulineriding030.jpg (http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v715/Pinkslady/Kalli/?action=view&current=paulineriding030.flv)

I used to know a clydie X tb who was a lovely heavyweight hunter until you got down to the dinner plate feet.

Yep, definintly, but it's exactly what you want to keep them sounds. You really don't want them on little feet! I met the most stunning 18hh WB a while ago - absolutly stunning looking horse until you got to his feet, which would have suited a 14hh pony. Poor thing will have been cripped by the time he's 10:(

[devonlass]

Aratahnes Azahl is about 3/4 Arab not pure bred - he is stunning though.

I used to know a clydie X tb who was a lovely heavyweight hunter until you got down to the dinner plate feet.

Looking at USA sites you can see a lot of QH x Clydedales and they look useful animals.
There are lots of under 16HH TBs at stud but do look at the pedigree & don't chose one with 17HH close relatives.;)

Sue

Good tip there about the close relatives,I really don't want to end up with some 18hh giant!!
The dinner plate feet are a bit of a giveaway aren't they:rolleyes:,Am guessing that will just be down to chance though,my farrier will be so pleased....NOT!!
Am definitely going to try and find those websites,couldn't find any yesterday,but think I may have googled UK only sites,so will try again.
Many thanx for that Sue:)

[Lucyad]

I love my CDXTB's dinner plate feet - they carry me through the most terrible terrain out hunting, much better than any spindly legged flat footed beast, hold shoes for as long as my unreliable blacksmith takes, have never been lame, and arent even footsore if shoes are renched off out hunting, still happily hacking home over any surface! My blacksmith always says that a lot of owners would kill for feet like that!

I agree with PL's characterisation - mine isnt too thick though (picks up what you are asking easily and has a real desire to get it right - why my RI loves him so much). But maybe slghtly dopey looking sometimes, just because he is so laid back! All I have met at shows have been similar, but have then gone in to jump beautifully, even those that look a little more 'mixed up' from an aesthetic point of view!

[devonlass]

[QUOTE=Pink's lady;1530938]She is rather lovely:o Mind you, I don't think she's a brillaintly put together animal. She's ok, just not stunning. She's the nicestly horsey possible though.

She is so laid back she's horizonal but definitly not lazy. She pretty much bombproof and very tolerant - she does her RDA stint perfectly.

All tb x cd I've met have been the same. Laid back and chilled by not lazy They also aren't the sharpest tool in the box. 'Stoopid' describes Kalli bear perfectly:o

I just think she sounds lovely from all the funny things you post about her,she certainly sounds like a personality,even if it is a 'stoopid' one;):D

Good to hear about the laid back bit,is the trait I am most looking for.Know some would find the clyde temp a bit 'too' laid back,but I love it,and would love to keep it in any foal I bred.Thanx for answering my many Q's,has been most helpful:)

[greasedweasel]

Yes he is PURE BRED ARAB ;)

His name is Aratahnes Azahl. He is curretly in Stud in east Lothian at a farm in East Linton. The lady also has an egyptian PUREBRED bay called Northshalabar. Azahl (or mac for short) has won Prizes at the Royal Highland and was origionaly imported from OZ. You can find his details on allbreedpedigree. Including pictures of his ancestors.

Devon Lass her website is down but I was actually going to purchase Hestia the one I mentioned. Most of his foals turn out to be cream or roan with a few chestnut with white points.

All of her horses were bred beuatifully and there is no mollycoddling. Babies are born in the fields and live out 24/7 with only natural shelter. She never brings them in unless they are being boxed away. She weans them by moving all the babies born at the same time to the other side of the farm. All viewings take place in the fields!! I spent 1+1/2 hours trying to catch Kia in a 12/14 acre field lol!!!

Nikki xxxx

ETA - Most of the foals tend to have slightly arabby faces not pure dish but not Clydie either. Legs are generally just like thicker bones arabby legs and the bodies tend to be heavier set with deeper girth and chest and also well sprung ribs. Perfect Comp horse if you ask me!!

Thanks for the info on him - he's not a million miles from me and is absolutely lovely so I will keep an eye out for him in future. I LOVE allbreeds though - not always correct is it!!! Spot the obvious mistake in his breeding (I think its his great dam on the mare side.... by a part bred arab out of a pony and magically she is an arab - neat trick!!!)

When I did my degree, I specialised in colour genetics so I'm the first to admit I'm somewhat retentive about horses being advertised as a breed when they are a colour that is just not in the breed - ie palomino arabs, chestnut cleveland bays (I kid you not).

Actually I'll do some research on this lad - I used to breed arabian derivatives in Oz and I recognise some of his bloodlines.

[Mehitabel]

MEHITABEL-Am sorry to hear your mare didn't get on so well conformation wise,but she sounds lovely all the same:) Have wondered about the heavy/light balance not working out so well.Don;'t suppose there is any way of assuring it will,but do you have any more advice on this??


she's one of our riding school horses- or was, until she retired. i think it's just one of those things that you gamble on if you make the cross - she was meant to be a good show hunter, but came out looking like she'd been put together in the dark. luckily we love her despite her looks and while she was never up to a great deal or weight or work, she was much loved and a very useful girl.

i've known plenty of heavy x TBs who have come out as they were supposed to, but it is a gamble, and to stack odds in your favour, you ideally want to keep the two parents of reasonably similar types.

clydesdales are 'vulnerable' on the rare breeds survival trust watchlist - why not consider keeping the bloodlines going with your girl if you really want to breed from her, and buying one for yourself? if you bred a really super clydesdale you'd be doing the breed a bit of a favour, especially if it were a filly, and perhaps you could get a weanling to be company for it and to be your future ride.

just another thing to consider!

[Nik-n-Kia]

Thanks for the info on him - he's not a million miles from me and is absolutely lovely so I will keep an eye out for him in future. I LOVE allbreeds though - not always correct is it!!! Spot the obvious mistake in his breeding (I think its his great dam on the mare side.... by a part bred arab out of a pony and magically she is an arab - neat trick!!!)

When I did my degree, I specialised in colour genetics so I'm the first to admit I'm somewhat retentive about horses being advertised as a breed when they are a colour that is just not in the breed - ie palomino arabs, chestnut cleveland bays (I kid you not).

Actually I'll do some research on this lad - I used to breed arabian derivatives in Oz and I recognise some of his bloodlines.

Hmmm well What can I say???? You do tend to go with what people tell you dont you?????? Oh and I have found a few horses on allbreedpedigree that the owners havent even put there???;)

Talk to palomino Mare about that one:D

Whether or not he is full bred he breed gorgeous foals. Why not visit and Talk to Ann yourself if your interested. She know quite a bit about colour genetic too :)

Nikki xxxxx

[ambatt]

That is interesting,out of all the one's I mentioned this combination was the one I was most curious about as I don't know a lot about the breed.Know they are stunning to look at and move well,but didn't know about temp,so is good to hear that the shire x PRE was laid back!!
Do you know what sort of size he was by any chance??

His dam was 17.2 and his sire was 16.3 and he made around 17 hh. There are smaller PRE stallions around, the sire of this one was tall and one of my all time favourite PRE stallions as he was such a soppy great boy.

Percheron cross PRE is a very popular cross here, the US and in Europe where they are known as Spanish Normans.

http://www.spanish-norman.com/

There is a breeder in the UK and whilst the clydie has hairy legs rather than the clean percheron ones, it does give you an idea of what a cold-blooded horse crossed with the PRE gives.

The TB is the more conventional cross, but in my opinion the Iberians cross well with most breeds and gives a very useful riding horse with light expressive paces.

[devonlass]

she's one of our riding school horses- or was, until she retired. i think it's just one of those things that you gamble on if you make the cross - she was meant to be a good show hunter, but came out looking like she'd been put together in the dark. luckily we love her despite her looks and while she was never up to a great deal or weight or work, she was much loved and a very useful girl.

i've known plenty of heavy x TBs who have come out as they were supposed to, but it is a gamble, and to stack odds in your favour, you ideally want to keep the two parents of reasonably similar types.

clydesdales are 'vulnerable' on the rare breeds survival trust watchlist - why not consider keeping the bloodlines going with your girl if you really want to breed from her, and buying one for yourself? if you bred a really super clydesdale you'd be doing the breed a bit of a favour, especially if it were a filly, and perhaps you could get a weanling to be company for it and to be your future ride.

just another thing to consider!

So keeping the parents of similar types,does this mean it would be better not to be looking at something lighter/finer?? Would a heavier example of whatever breed I chose be more likely to turn out well??

In a way I would love to breed another clydie as I know there are not that many around,particularly in my part of the world (southwest),so would be nice to increase the population down here!!
My OH would love me to as well as he adores our girl,and all the heavy types!!
The thing is that I wanted to breed a foal for me,and I just wanted something a bit smaller and lighter,but you're right it is certainly worth thinking about:)
Perhaps I could do both,she is only 8 years old so maybe I could breed one for me this year and another little clyde in a couple of years time.You putting ideas in my head now look;):D

[devonlass]

His dam was 17.2 and his sire was 16.3 and he made around 17 hh. There are smaller PRE stallions around, the sire of this one was tall and one of my all time favourite PRE stallions as he was such a soppy great boy.

Percheron cross PRE is a very popular cross here, the US and in Europe where they are known as Spanish Normans.

http://www.spanish-norman.com/

There is a breeder in the UK and whilst the clydie has hairy legs rather than the clean percheron ones, it does give you an idea of what a cold-blooded horse crossed with the PRE gives.

The TB is the more conventional cross, but in my opinion the Iberians cross well with most breeds and gives a very useful riding horse with light expressive paces.

Have been on the website,check out pic 21 in the gallery,phwoar,how gorgeous is he!!

didn't even know that there was an established heavy/PRE breed in existance,they really are quite handsome looking,and really not at all heavy looking.

[holiday]

Just out of interest id like to just put a couple of pictures on of both my horses "roughed off" - obviously the clydesdale x "Molly" is as shes in foal and the Shire x "Jack" was turned away over the Summer!!! You wouldnt believe they are the same horses LOL!!!!!!!! Trust me id never have bought either looking at them in the field!!!!!!!!!!!

Ive found both these crosses have fab workable temperaments, although I find the Shire x's a little more neurotic having worked with a few, lovely until stressed then can be quite panicky, although im sure that doesnt go for them all!!!!!!

I cant fault the Clydesdale x although Molly had been turned away due to her previous owners being scared of her!!!!!!! For what reason im yet to find out!!!! Although she could fly leap to the extreme when she objected to something!!!!!

Jack - Shire X
http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e321/Caroneno/jackgraze.jpg

Molly - Clydesdale X growing her baby!!!!!!

http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e321/Caroneno/grazemolly.jpg

[holiday]

Sorry to hijack the thread!!!!
Just wondered if anyone had any contact details of the palomino stallion? Is he available via AI? I have PM'd you Nikki or if anyone else knows please PM me!!! Thanks

[cariadbach10]

I think clydie X PRE sounds just gorgeous devonlass. There is that lovely PRE stud farm down in cornwall too - would you be thinking about using one of theirs perchance?!
We need a bit of spanish flair in the haldon hills!

[devonlass]

Just out of interest id like to just put a couple of pictures on of both my horses "roughed off" - obviously the clydesdale x "Molly" is as shes in foal and the Shire x "Jack" was turned away over the Summer!!! You wouldnt believe they are the same horses LOL!!!!!!!! Trust me id never have bought either looking at them in the field!!!!!!!!!!!

Ive found both these crosses have fab workable temperaments, although I find the Shire x's a little more neurotic having worked with a few, lovely until stressed then can be quite panicky, although im sure that doesnt go for them all!!!!!!

I cant fault the Clydesdale x although Molly had been turned away due to her previous owners being scared of her!!!!!!! For what reason im yet to find out!!!! Although she could fly leap to the extreme when she objected to something!!!!!

Jack - Shire X
http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e321/Caroneno/jackgraze.jpg

Molly - Clydesdale X growing her baby!!!!!!

http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e321/Caroneno/grazemolly.jpg


I think they both still look lovely:)
If you think they look roughed off you should see my two hairy,muddy beasts,'roughed' off' doesn't even cover it:rolleyes:

Am glad you find the clydie cross good to work with,is reassuring to know:)

[devonlass]

;)I think clydie X PRE sounds just gorgeous devonlass. There is that lovely PRE stud farm down in cornwall too - would you be thinking about using one of theirs perchance?!
We need a bit of spanish flair in the haldon hills!

It might well be the stud in Cornwall I'm thinking of using;) had a gander at their website a while back,did a bit of drooling as you do:p:D

Just a bit worried the 'spanish flair' might be wasted with me,horse would be more likely to be heading for the 'haldon hills' after experiencing my farm riding skills:rolleyes::D

[BBE]

I have a Clydie X Quarter horse and a Shire X TB.

Both are excellent, very forward going and like to be doing stuff but at the same time are very chilled out and nothing seems to faze them.

Edited to Say - Marsden your grey looks awful familiar

[devonlass]

I have a Clydie X Quarter horse and a Shire X TB.

Both are excellent, very forward going and like to be doing stuff but at the same time are very chilled out and nothing seems to faze them.

Edited to Say - Marsden your grey looks awful familiar

Thank you for the reply,do you have any pics of the clyde x quarter horse?? Would be very interested to see those as that was one of my options for a natural covering as there is a stud very near to me.Many thanx:)

[Mehitabel]

So keeping the parents of similar types,does this mean it would be better not to be looking at something lighter/finer?? Would a heavier example of whatever breed I chose be more likely to turn out well??


generalising here, the more different the parents are, the more risk there is of the offspring inheriting random bits from each of them rather than being a nice halfway house between them. similar types but different sizes is a bit easier - say a show pony stallion on a TB mare, for instance.
if you do go for an outcross it's the right way round - bigger mare and smaller/lighter stallion is the best way of doing it.

[BBE]

I will try and upload some pictures ofr you to see :)

[Lgd]

Here are some Trakhs and WB types for you to drool over

http://www.godingtonstud.com/stallions.htm

http://www.holdenfolddressage.com/oliver.htm

My coming 2yo filly is by Mooiman

http://www.holdenfolddressage.com/mooiman.htm

I'm planning on using this guy for my Orlov mare in 2010

http://www.holdenfolddressage.com/santana.htm

If you fancy going unusual the same stud are standing a Knabstrupper stallion - he's a "few spot" which means you would be guaranteed a spotty foal.

http://www.holdenfolddressage.com/xhogun.htm

Their other new stallion is a Danish WB

http://www.holdenfolddressage.com/samsam.htm

Some nice TB types to play with

http://www.stallionsonline.co.uk/advancedsearch.php?b=210&d=n&h=16hh+-+16.3hh&ch=&Submit=Search

[ambatt]

;)

It might well be the stud in Cornwall I'm thinking of using;) had a gander at their website a while back,did a bit of drooling as you do:p:D

Just a bit worried the 'spanish flair' might be wasted with me,horse would be more likely to be heading for the 'haldon hills' after experiencing my farm riding skills:rolleyes::D

The Cornish stud is owned/run by two very lovely people who are interested in breeding Spanish partbreds too;). Spanish flair is NOT wasted on ANYONE, in Spain they are ridden from RDA, novice all the way through to Classical High School and Grand Prix dressage! Also driven, and they are ridden by everyone from very smalll children to grandparents.

[devonlass]

Here are some Trakhs and WB types for you to drool over

http://www.godingtonstud.com/stallions.htm

http://www.holdenfolddressage.com/oliver.htm

My coming 2yo filly is by Mooiman

http://www.holdenfolddressage.com/mooiman.htm

I'm planning on using this guy for my Orlov mare in 2010

http://www.holdenfolddressage.com/santana.htm

If you fancy going unusual the same stud are standing a Knabstrupper stallion - he's a "few spot" which means you would be guaranteed a spotty foal.

http://www.holdenfolddressage.com/xhogun.htm

Their other new stallion is a Danish WB

http://www.holdenfolddressage.com/samsam.htm

Some nice TB types to play with

http://www.stallionsonline.co.uk/advancedsearch.php?b=210&d=n&h=16hh+-+16.3hh&ch=&Submit=Search

Wow some of those are gorgeous!!
I really like the few spot as I love the blanket spot look (this is where they just have spote on their bum yes??) although I am not so keen on the spotty look all over,and I'm guessing there's no way of predicting what you'll get:rolleyes:
Thanx for posting links:)

[devonlass]

The Cornish stud is owned/run by two very lovely people who are interested in breeding Spanish partbreds too;). Spanish flair is NOT wasted on ANYONE, in Spain they are ridden from RDA, novice all the way through to Classical High School and Grand Prix dressage! Also driven, and they are ridden by everyone from very smalll children to grandparents.

Glad to hear I don't need any 'flair' to ride one!!
My only concern with the cornish stud is the stallion I'm interested in has not stood at stud before (this will be his first year).Sure he will be fine,but is putting me off a little.

[ambatt]

Is it the bay one F? Give Rachel Bettens a ring, she is lovely to talk to, an experienced breeder and really knows what she is talking about.

Good luck with whatever you decide, although I do agree a replacement purebred Clydie would be nice one day!

[devonlass]

Is it the bay one F? Give Rachel Bettens a ring, she is lovely to talk to, an experienced breeder and really knows what she is talking about.

Good luck with whatever you decide, although I do agree a replacement purebred Clydie would be nice one day!

It is indeed the bay one!! I would go for this one as I believe all the others are grey and given the choice I would rather not have a grey horse (not that I don't like grey's for all you folks that have one just having had one I found them a nightmare to keep clean,especially as mine live out!!).Not an expert on colour genetics but assume with my red roan mare and a bay stally the chances of a grey are small?? Whereas with a grey stally probably a high chance of grey??

I too am starting to feel a tad guilty about not going for a purebred clyde!! I am still mulling it over at the mo,trying to work out all the options.Would be lovely to breed a clyde,but I soooo wanted something a bit different to that just for me.
Am giving consideration to mehitabel suggestion at the mo as well,maybe breed a clyde and buy a weanling for me,although if I carry on like that will have stud of my own soon:rolleyes::D
So difficult to decide:confused:

[greasedweasel]

You can only get a grey foal if one of the parents is grey - so you will be absolutely fine crossing her onto the bay stallion.

Should you choose a grey stallion you would have a 50% chance if he was heterozygous and 100% chance of a grey foal if he's homozygous - a quick look at a stallions previous foals should give you a good idea which!!!

[devonlass]

You can only get a grey foal if one of the parents is grey - so you will be absolutely fine crossing her onto the bay stallion.

Should you choose a grey stallion you would have a 50% chance if he was heterozygous and 100% chance of a grey foal if he's homozygous - a quick look at a stallions previous foals should give you a good idea which!!!

Thank you for explaining that.I thought the bay should be ok,but wasn't so certain about the grey's.Grey seems to be the main colour of the spanish horses,so would assume there might be a fair bit of that 'homozygous' floating about;)

TBH even a 50% chance of a grey is too much,so think will stick to the bay if any:)

[Aratahnes]

Aratahnes

[Palomino Mare]

WOW she is stunning!!
slightly confused - do you know/own her Aratahnes?

[han_x]

I own a Clydesdale X TB, she look more like a Clydesdale, but has the height of a TB, as she is only 15hh

Here is a photo
http://file045b.bebo.com/14/large/2008/03/22/17/4642906426a7219612453l.jpg

[Pixie]

This is my mare 'Pink' She is 15hh welsh D x Clydesdale and has lovely attributes of both breeds and is a lovely size`and build.

[tabithakat64]

This is my mare 'Pink' She is 15hh welsh D x Clydesdale and has lovely attributes of both breeds and is a lovely size`and build.

Gorgeous horse :)

[Camyds]

I know one that is crossed with a Freisan, so, if you like lots and i mean lots of main, tail & feather then this one is for you. you also get the high knee action and is quite floaty:)

[Pink's lady]

This is my mare 'Pink' She is 15hh welsh D x Clydesdale and has lovely attributes of both breeds and is a lovely size`and build.

It's a small world:eek:

This is MY Pink, 15.2hh welsh cob x clydesdale mare. She loosk very similar but with all her feathers (looked stupid with them clipped out:o)

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v715/Pinkslady/Pink/Pinkinoutlineatdressageedit.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v715/Pinkslady/Pink/pink005.jpg