Parelli Negative?

[jessie123]

Can someone please enlighten me on comments I've heard about Parelli?
I would like to know peoples opinions of his teachings, I've never read any horsemanship books but saw a brief programme featuring Pat Parelli and was impressed, was I duped or should I immediately rush out and go bankrupt to buy all his stuff?
Would really appreciate all of your opinions, whether good or bad :rolleyes:

[chev]

Like most branches of NH, there is good and bad, and it will appeal to and work for some people and horses better than others. I don't think it's a matter of good or bad - more about whether or not it works for you and your horse. Devotees tend to think he is fantastic; those who don't tend to slam him - but even if some of it is not for you, there are some good things about the man and his methods.

It's a case of trying it, taking what works for you and leaving the rest.

(I am not a great fan, but the seven games did work wonders with a mare we had with issues - or my attempts at them anyway!)

[Joyscarer]

Have a go at doing a search for 'Parelli' and you will get a whole host of opinions that make for some very interesting reading :)

[Welsh_Girl]

His teaching and methods don't suit me, I prefer Buck Branaman and Ray Hunt. But I have friends who think he is the best thing since Xenophan (sp). I think you really need to try it first. Theres loads of info on the net to give you an idea without having to spend any money.

[Crystal Fire]

Yes, if you do a search we did have a really long and honest thread about this some time ago. I posted on it at some length... ;)

[jessie123]

Yes, if you do a search we did have a really long and honest thread about this some time ago. I posted on it at some length... ;)

Any idea of the thread title?
I did do a search and was inundated with pages and pages of the stuff and unfortunately I don't have the time to go through all of it :o

[mayoguinness]

Parelli's right for some people at some times in their horsemanship journy. He can start them on there path on NH or can give some direct instruction. I don't agree with a lot of what he teaches now but don't condemn what he does at all as it does help people and horses:)

[cvb]

I think there is another thing as well - who is available locally to support your learning.

Yes parelli does distance learning packs - but using a blended learning approach seems to be the most successful (i.e. use the DVDs, the learning guides, but also get dome face to face if you can).

So while in the ideal world I might want to try x approach - in reality it is not always easy to get hold of the right support and materials, so the choices are more limited.

[slimjim]

I like natural horsemanship, but dislike pat parelli...not because of his methods, but because of how he has commercialised it and made it very very showy.

Yes some of the things taught have useful real world applications, but jumping a foal over barrels - well i don't like that because its not going to be good for the foals joints.

I tend to pick and choose between parelli, monty roberts, kelly marks and my own common sense and experience from training dogs and rats (yes it is possible to teach a rat to sit/lie down/roll over/jump a jump). Simpl reward good behaviour and ignore bad!

[shandy84]

I prefer Mark Rashid as I think Parelli himself goes too far with pushing youngsters too soon sometimes, but in principle what he teaches has it's place, pick and choose what is relevant to you. Also don't go out and buy all the stuff it costs a fortune, look what he sells and see if you can replicate it ;)

[jessie123]

Parelli's right for some people at some times in their horsemanship journy. He can start them on there path on NH or can give some direct instruction. I don't agree with a lot of what he teaches now but don't condemn what he does at all as it does help people and horses:)


May I ask what it is about some of his methods you dissapprove of?
I agree with slimjim about the foals, I did find that demonstration a little unnecessary, but of all else I saw I was a little intrigued, does he really manage such feats with horses who are not trained? I'd love to have a mess about with my own, I have already a very good relationship with my horses but would like to enhanced it if I could.
Alot of the things he has mentioned about certain training I do already but it takes me a hell of a lot longer to achieve the confidence I want my horses to have than the alloted 1 hour that he seems to manage.
My mare has already unceremoniously dumped a lady who was interested in loaning 2 days a week because we think she thought she was being sold (I have only had her 4 months) by doing a bucking bronco in front of all the dog walkers in Sussex! This behavior from her was a bolt from the blue and when I rode her the next day she was positively gleeful in her manner when it was me that got on her:o
So for me what an absolute joy to have a horse with impeccable manners at all times, that's why I wanted everybody's opinions of such training methods:)

[Spoof]

I don't think you were duped, if you were intrigued then it already worked. Even if you end up using some other NH method, he's already made a difference. :) As much as I am on the fence about any of the NH methods, I do have to thank Parelli for those videos.


My mare has already unceremoniously dumped a lady who was interested in loaning 2 days a week

That is one thing I've gotten from the program; I can now spot who my horse is going to dump before they get on.

[ameliet1971]

I agree with slimjim about the foals, I did find that demonstration a little unnecessary, but of all else I saw I was a little intrigued, does he really manage such feats with horses who are not trained?)
This thread covers Parelli jumping foals and could also be the thread Crystalfire was refering to.

http://www.newrider.com/forum/showthread.php?t=126101&highlight=foal+jumping

:)

[mayoguinness]

May I ask what it is about some of his methods you dissapprove of?
I agree with slimjim about the foals, I did find that demonstration a little unnecessary, but of all else I saw I was a little intrigued, does he really manage such feats with horses who are not trained? I'd love to have a mess about with my own, I have already a very good relationship with my horses but would like to enhanced it if I could.
Alot of the things he has mentioned about certain training I do already but it takes me a hell of a lot longer to achieve the confidence I want my horses to have than the alloted 1 hour that he seems to manage.
My mare has already unceremoniously dumped a lady who was interested in loaning 2 days a week because we think she thought she was being sold (I have only had her 4 months) by doing a bucking bronco in front of all the dog walkers in Sussex! This behavior from her was a bolt from the blue and when I rode her the next day she was positively gleeful in her manner when it was me that got on her:o
So for me what an absolute joy to have a horse with impeccable manners at all times, that's why I wanted everybody's opinions of such training methods:)

I don't dissaprove of so much as prefer myself to do things differently.;) Well, now my basis to start with any horse is completely at liberty, putting no force on them to connect but setting it up so its the better option for them when they're willing:) I no longer go for the phase four thing or using so much pressure to achieve results. It works but I prefer to wait for the horse to come to my conclusion than to force it onto them. I hate the bull clips on the end of the ropes, especially as I have seen many times when you get up your phases it bashing the horse in the jaw. I'm getting less fond of the knot rope halters and prefer the spliced ones though thats not really Parelli, a lot of people use knotted rope halters.;) There is a fair bit and also with the riding. My views have moved on and changed but I started out with Parellish type ideas:) My advice would be just not to get stuck in a cult mentality, you can learn a lot from PNH but when and if you need to move on and find better ways - go for it, its amazing how many people don't and wont!:rolleyes:

[wonkeywoody]

Funny, people crit Parelli for showing a foal jumping. He doesnt do that ALL the time - duh! Its just showing WHAT CAN BE ACHIEVED! A foal may well jump things in a field whilst playing!
Monty Roberts demos that a totally raw horse can be backed in less than 30 mins - BUT, if you LISTEN to him carefully, this half hour stuff is not his common practise, he does things over several days....
All these guys are showing is that their methods do work.
As far as some claim about whalloping their horses' in the chin with a bull clip to achieve pressure level 4 - all I can say is you are not doing it right then, I manage to get to level 4 without any form of chin whacking!

[mayoguinness]

As far as some claim about whalloping their horses' in the chin with a bull clip to achieve pressure level 4 - all I can say is you are not doing it right then, I manage to get to level 4 without any form of chin whacking!

and thats how it should be, but I've seen when watching Parelli on tv them going up to phase 4 when asking them to back up and it has really gave them a good clunk under the chin and tbh I find thats easily done, sometimes when Mayo would toss his head the bull clip would flick up and hit him hard in the face!

[chev]

Can people not use leads without big clips? That would solve that particular issue, I'd have thought.

I use a plain rope halter and that worked really well with no need for clips at all.

[ameliet1971]

I think some people tend to have a mental block on certain trainers, anything they say or do is always met with either negativity, criticism or sarcasm from them.

From reading a few threads about these trainers, it's appears the problem doesn't always stem from their training methods but how it's interpreted by some of the posters.

Keeping an open, rather than a narrow minded opinion is always a much better route to take. :)

[mayoguinness]

Can people not use leads without big clips? That would solve that particular issue, I'd have thought.

I use a plain rope halter and that worked really well with no need for clips at all.

Yep thats we do too - we use clipless ropes:)

[jessie123]

Am I to understand that a bullclip is placed onto the rope?
What exactly is this supposed to achieve?
I will endeavour to find out more :o

[brackensmum]

Hi,

Well for my money i'm a new parelli devotee,

It is facinating, i am studying level 1 and loving every second its brill, so much fun and really liberating....

I would say though definatly have someone on hand who knows what they are doing. The packs are great but there is no substitute for hands on help.

Go for it your horse will thank you....mine has x

[Spoof]

The Parelli brand ropes come with bull clips.

I've run into a few horses where I've been glad of that bull clip. Sometimes people allow them to become so pushy - particularly hand fed babies - that they are physically trying to get on top of you. It also teaches you to have really subtle queues, and be very aware of exactly what you are doing.

It never hurts to give anything a try. Horses are pretty forgiving. :)

[cvb]

Am I to understand that a bullclip is placed onto the rope?
What exactly is this supposed to achieve?
I will endeavour to find out more :o

a means to attach the rope to the halter ?!
It also gives weight to the rope at the point it hinges with the halter, which affects how any movement of the line is transmitted into movement in the halter and hence to the horse

I don't know what image you have of a bullclip - but basically we a re just talking about the metal clip that connects the rope on to anything else. On a parelli 12ft line the clip is relatively substantial.

[Crystal Fire]

I know that there are a lot of threads on Parelli here, that is because we have a lot to say! :) I've just had a scan back and found comments about possibly Parelli being a dinosaur who has outgrown his usefulness... I said somewhere that Pareli gave me the best of times and worst of times with horses... the bullclip issue has also been done to death... (ie something most ex-Parelli students have come to realise is that, no matter what the horse is like, there is never a need to smack them round the face with a bit of metal). I've also said that Parelli DOES work for ALL horses (but that doesn't mean ALL people can make it work for ALL horses...). So if you want the big picture I suggest a strong drink and a long read. LOL!

[jessie123]

I don't know what image you have of a bullclip - but basically we a re just talking about the metal clip that connects the rope on to anything else. On a parelli 12ft line the clip is relatively substantial.[/QUOTE]

LOL I see:rolleyes:
I thought for one god awful moment a heavy paper clip thing was attached to the line, so when someone said you knock them with it I was a bit horrified and somewhat confused, Parelli being a more gentle approach and all :o

Well thank you everybody for your input it has been a pleasure to read, I shall give these '7 Games' a go in the spring when I can rig up some sort of schooling area and have a bit of fun with my little babies, should be good fun!:D

[Crystal Fire]

http://i17.ebayimg.com/01/i/000/ae/d0/cc63_1.JPG
The Parelli clip looks like that.

[jessie123]

Hee Hee I thought you meant one of these!:rolleyes:

[Meovcorz]

Ha that's funny! :D.

I will say this I did not DO Parelli, though I read all the L1 and L2, and it didn't motivate me at all. But I am currently doing Clinton Andersons book Downunder Horsemanship and have found a HUGE difference with Blue already, and I'll tell you this much you don't realize HOW MUCH Pat Blabs untill you open your eyes and read and hear other people. Don't get me wrong Parelli taught me heaps, but I had to move on, and learn more and ACTUALLY GO OUT AND DO THE STUFF! :D. I also really like Mark Rashid.

[jessie123]

Excellent. well I have had a little play with all this and the results were Millie an absolute dream, it was so synchronised it was surreal, Magic on the other hand looked at me as if I was a nutcase (not far wrong there:o) and totally ignored me (reckon he's speciesist and doesn't think humans should learn the language) he looked at me as if saying ' I know what you're saying to me so why flaff about?' so I have to say I was a bit stumped and then chatted to him as I normally do and he did exactly as I asked (still looking sideways at me as if I was the strange one and where were the men in the white coats):rolleyes:
Anyway Millie was amazing, we were like dancing and when I stopped I made a big thing of looking in a certain direction and she would follow suit so I would look in the opposite direction and she would look too and then follow me around like a little lamb:D
I think Magic knows me too well, we can read each other like a book so that was probably why he thought I was off my trolley, oh well, never mind:o LOL

[allthegearnoidea]

I tried parelli and i had too take it too stage 150 to get him to back up!!
its good for some but not others

[Crystal Fire]

You are right, it IS good for some people and not for others. It would be a boring world if we were all the same. :)

[jessie123]

Well I've had a little read of Parelli and I got the yields section, all was fine when he mentioned forwards, backwards, left and right but what the hell is up and down?
Is this lie down and get up but not before you ask them to roll over and pick their nose with their hind hoof, am I being REALLY thick here? (bet I am:rolleyes:)

[mayoguinness]

lol:D Little PNH humour for you;)

[cvb]

Well I've had a little read of Parelli and I got the yields section, all was fine when he mentioned forwards, backwards, left and right but what the hell is up and down?
Is this lie down and get up but not before you ask them to roll over and pick their nose with their hind hoof, am I being REALLY thick here? (bet I am:rolleyes:)

this is about the directions a horse can move in. which is basically all 3 dimensions. Left and right, forward and back.

Up - bucking, rearing, jumping etc
Down - e.g. silke's horse(s) lying down for her to get on... a horse rolling

least wise that is my interpretation

[LodgeRopes]

Everyone needs a starting point in NH, a trainer, friend or a book, something has to make the first step possible. The 7 games of PNH are a good entry point as most clinicians/trainers seem to use jargon that is common to the 7 games. Regardless of your opinion of parelli or any trainer, we all need to take that first step.... and without a huge financial investment.
There are good sites online, one we always reffer people to look at is
http://iceryder.net/7games.html
The iceryder site explains the 7 games well and adds that personal touch that helps understand the game a little better.

Re parelli and foal jumping, it really does not phase me as we have no intention of jumping any foals... there are a lot of things that clinicians do that are questionable, but use what suits your goals and aims for you and your horse....but only after you have learned the basics and developed a feel for what is happening.

good luck

Rob

[jessie123]

Fab thanks (knew I was being a little thick!:o)
I shall keep reading and playing, Magic still looks at me as if I'm a nutcase but I'm used to that from him so I strop off and play with Millie instead :D

[wildspirit*]

i dont like parelli as much as my horse does, if you get what i mean? spirit understands it so well, she does the games perfect she understands my space and her space, it has taught her such better manners than she had, calms her down before she is ridden, particuarly i think the stuff it quite expensive and haven't bought any of it my self :confused: not sure how to?
but i have borrowed the books and dvd's and i think that some of the stuff that pat parelli does are amazing, i reccomend parelli to those people who have horses that they are finding hard to bond with, or they have some bad manners etc.

[wonkeywoody]

Up and Down - whilst it describes the dimensions a horse can move, when 'asking' for it, it means getting your horse to move his head - has many uses ie bridling, also a calming effect............

[jessie123]

Up and Down - whilst it describes the dimensions a horse can move, when 'asking' for it, it means getting your horse to move his head - has many uses ie bridling, also a calming effect............

Aha! that makes sense :)
Jesus I'm turning out to be a right pro at this, all I have to do is give Mag 'the look' and he does whatever I'm asking (or is that because he knows me sooooo well ;)) Millie's cottoned on quick too and I've only had her a short time (or has Mag filled her in?):D

[FX5]

If you have to work alone, then the Parelli programme gives you a structure to work through that is very helpful to establish the basics. Once you have the basics of communication, establishing partnership has to come from a study of what ideas are out there and what works for you. Nothing beats a knowledgeable instructor who has a handle on all of the approaches and therefore has a repetoire of possibilities if you reach a dead end. An acceptance that you don't ever want to use force on your horses again, an open mind and a committment to learning everything you can is what eventually takes you forward.

[ohiowhitetail]

I'm a new poster, and in alot of ways a new rider. I started riding 11 years ago, and didn't even think of training until the last 2-3 years because I hadn't found the right group of people to surround myself with.

I try not to put anything Parelli does in a negative light, I don't think his personality (or is it Horsenality) and mine would click. I must apologize, my quarter horses are 1000 pounds or more, and if they WANTED to hurt me, there's not alot I could do about that. So I head it off before it ever becomes a problem. I think one of the things that I've never heard Parelli say is that there is a finite time and place for things to "get ugly", and it's only when you are in danger. Once the danger is gone, so should any "ugliness". He knows it, and I'm sure there are horses that have tried to rip his scalp off and he's done whatever it takes to keep that from happening. But it seems to me he doesn't clarify to anyone that your safety is first and foremost, and that some horses just have too big of a people problem for just anyone to deal with. The fine line we all have to dance is that we have to establish respect without fear, which will open up the opportunity for communication between horse and human, at which point we both can learn to understand each other. Parelli opens up that door through what I would call "softness", where the horse learns what it is permitted to do, while many others open the door through what I call "firmness" where the horse learns when we want them to stop and think and when we want them to move. It's a difference in perception, and frankly, there's really no one set "correct" way to do anything with a horse, there are literally hundreds of ways to do everything. Parelli has opened many doors that has allowed many "horse people" to become "horsemen".

[cvb]

I think one of the things that I've never heard Parelli say is that there is a finite time and place for things to "get ugly", and it's only when you are in danger. Once the danger is gone, so should any "ugliness". He knows it, and I'm sure there are horses that have tried to rip his scalp off and he's done whatever it takes to keep that from happening. But it seems to me he doesn't clarify to anyone that your safety is first and foremost, and that some horses just have too big of a people problem for just anyone to deal with.

Maybe not in those precise words - but the Parellis DO stress that safety comes first, and frequently say that you should not be dealing with "problem" horses when you are in the lower levels. The catch 22 being that a lot of people come to Parelli because they have a problem, have tried everything they already know, so start to look around for something else.

I think there is also a general misunderstanding about the parelli phases. I was along at some of the earlier UK conferences - and when Pat uses phase 4 the horse knows he means it in no uncertain terms. It is not aggressive, not anger, not brute force - but it IS strong leadership and very very good timing.

[Lili & Morgan]

I think there is also a general misunderstanding about the parelli phases. I was along at some of the earlier UK conferences - and when Pat uses phase 4 the horse knows he means it in no uncertain terms. It is not aggressive, not anger, not brute force - but it IS strong leadership and very very good timing.

They have changed a bit about phase 4. In their new material, they insist that phase 4 can be something very irritating for your horse. Linda in level 2 gives the example of a man walloping as hard as he could his horse for making him jump. Then she took the horse and by gently flicking the horse wiskers or ear's hair got the horse to jump. She commented that the man did not find phase 4.

I know that my own mare brace if I tap her with my carrot stick, but if I hit the ground, Gosh that sends her forward.

So phase 4 is not always "banging harder"!

[cvb]

So phase 4 is not always "banging harder"!

:confused:did I say it was ?? :confused:

I thought I said

and when Pat uses phase 4 the horse knows he means it in no uncertain terms. It is not aggressive, not anger, not brute force - but it IS strong leadership and very very good timing.

which is entirely consistent with what you wrote isn't it ? (it was certainly meant to be, and absolutely NOT meant to be "banging harder". I can't think of a time watching Pat where his phase 4 was that ?!)

[Lili & Morgan]

:which is entirely consistent with what you wrote isn't it ? (it was certainly meant to be, and absolutely NOT meant to be "banging harder". I can't think of a time watching Pat where his phase 4 was that ?!)

Yes sorry.
But Partnership level one can be tap harder when moving into the phase it might not be agressive but Linda demonstrate tapping harder.

I am thinking of the DVD when she teaches a colored horse to lift his legs by tapping. There are others examples, but I cannot remember where they are.

In their Success Series, they seem to insist that phase 4 is more subtle.

I was just adding more details to your post, taht is why I quoted it.

I also agree that people over-horse themselves, run in trouble first, then look for help .. just like me :p

[ohiowhitetail]

I've picked up from reading elsewhere in the forum that I am in the extreme minority being from the U.S. and being a cowhorse enthusiast. That may also play into why I appreciate Clinton Anderson a little more than I do other trainers. I've been "shown the light" by a friend of mine who is a superior hand with a horse, and an amazing colt starter. I wasn't "over-horsed", but just under learned. There were small issues that I wanted to get corrected, but didn't really know where to start in the process. This gentleman got me going in the right direction and has been keeping me going forward. It's always nice when someone you know and have the opportunity to spend time with is so good at something and they're willing to help and most importantly, teach. I'm currently saving my pennies to put back money so that I can attend a 3-day clinic with Chris Cox in the next couple years. Nothing beats being able to have someone there at the moment where their assistance can get you over the hump.

[KateWooten]

I will say this I did not DO Parelli, though I read all the L1 and L2, and it didn't motivate me at all. But I am currently doing Clinton Andersons book Downunder Horsemanship and have found a HUGE difference with Blue already, and I'll tell you this much you don't realize HOW MUCH Pat Blabs untill you open your eyes and read and hear other people. Don't get me wrong Parelli taught me heaps, but I had to move on, and learn more and ACTUALLY GO OUT AND DO THE STUFF! :D. I also really like Mark Rashid.


Cool - pilgrims5 - I'm real pleased to hear that his book is having the same effect on you as it did on me. That's exactly how I felt about it too. It all really IS the same stuff, but for whatever reason, CA just made me feel all happy and enthused and even more important, got me out the door and really doing stuff.

I really do like a lot of what PP himself does, as a horse handler he's brilliant. But I have to watch him with the sound off !

[Lili & Morgan]

I really do like a lot of what PP himself does, as a horse handler he's brilliant. But I have to watch him with the sound off !

:D :D :D
I undertsand I DO the same. His salesman speaches put me to sleep. But watching him is really good.
He is a grand horseman.

[wonkeywoody]

I like PP 's ramblings! He just somehow manages to explain a situation with a comical analogy and that tends to 'stick' in your mind.
I watched the 'masterclass' from last years' Birmingham seminar and just loved every minute. I picked up new things and new angles to approach situations.
Someone will prob throw a negative here, but me, well I'm gettin along just great thanks.

[Lili & Morgan]

I like to hear his story ONCE.
He does repeat himself, but then I have just done a Parelli fest/overdose, watching many DVDs lately.

Also if you only listen to him, you are missing what he does.

Today I watched the Savvy Club DVD with Pedro aka Zeus. Woaw He is good, but to understand better you really have to look at him. He is blabla-ing away BUT he is so connected to the horse. Amazing!

Maybe the best is the watch ONCE with the Blablah, then with the sound off. He has an amazing feel!

[levi1739]

I really liked Parelli in his early days. I remember watching him work with a "Big Paint" in a round pen that consisted of the spectators sitting in lawn chairs, arranged in a circle. That tobiano really gave Pat all he could handle, even managed to get loose and run around at liberty for a bit. It's been a long time ago but it was a great demonstration of Parelli and his ability as a horseman. That horse was a challange for anybody. Has anybody ever seen this, or any of his early stuff. I would love to have copies of that video.

Recently I find his tv shows a bit lacking. It seems to me that Linda has really helped in the promotion and sales part of the show but I personally feel that she's made "helping horses" second in their goals. "Success driven" is the thought that comes to my mind. Too bad, I enjoyed watching Pat when he practiced the things he learned from the Dorrances. I still enjoy him, just don't recommend him to others anymore.


Have fun, be safe

Jack

[ohiowhitetail]

I remember seeing that. Guess it goes to show you that even the best have their wits and ability tested from time to time. I agree that the Parellis have moved beyond helping owners with their horses and have gone instead to a "look what I can do, and maybe, if you pay me enough, I'll teach you how to do it too".

[levi1739]

It's a shame that we can't see those old shows. What I would give to see some of the stuff PP did years ago in Australia. The show with the paint horse was a the type of stuff that really happens with a horse. "Rearin and Runnin"

Lot's of whitetail around southern Ohio. Where you from?


Have fun, be safe

Jack

[Meovcorz]

Cool - pilgrims5 - I'm real pleased to hear that his book is having the same effect on you as it did on me. That's exactly how I felt about it too. It all really IS the same stuff, but for whatever reason, CA just made me feel all happy and enthused and even more important, got me out the door and really doing stuff.

I really do like a lot of what PP himself does, as a horse handler he's brilliant. But I have to watch him with the sound off !

Oh man did that make me laugh. Never thought of doing that :D. KateWooten - would you listen to Cassete tape of his with the sound turned off or (?) is that going to far. :D.

No all respects too PP, great horseman, and his wife is a great saleswoman, I first really noticed that when on one of there demo dvd's she or he say's that she previously was a executive (I think they said that) saleswoman :D. I learned heaps from his stuff. But there are - I will admit - many holes in Clinton Andersons stuff. I guess I really liked him 'cause he is straight and doesn't beat around the bush like Some yankee's I know (um, no offence - just what we Aussies notice about yanks, though I have noticed some on here can be very straight :D - def. not as straight as the pome's or the scot's or the Aussies :D.).

[ohiowhitetail]

It's a shame that we can't see those old shows. What I would give to see some of the stuff PP did years ago in Australia. The show with the paint horse was a the type of stuff that really happens with a horse. "Rearin and Runnin"

Lot's of whitetail around southern Ohio. Where you from?


Have fun, be safe

Jack

I grew up in Gallia County in southern Ohio, now live just south of Athens. 4 horses, 2 Aussies, and a Corgi.

[Meovcorz]

I grew up in Gallia County in southern Ohio, now live just south of Athens. 4 horses, 2 Aussies, and a Corgi.

What do you mean by two Aussies???? :D, too aussie to pass it by :D.

[old_woman]

I think the OP means "Australian Shepherd Dogs" - a breed which was developed in the USA, according to my Australian son-in-law who is a keen dog exhibitor, breeder and judge.

A bit like "French Poodles" being no more French than Chairman Mao , I suppose!

[jinglejoys]

Lovely dogs though! Weren't they bred from the Australian Cattle dogs that went to the States with cattle shipments,which themselves were bred from the old Smithfield bobtail working dogs that went out to Australia?:)

[levi1739]

Athens, home of the Bobcats. We used to spend a lot of time at the ice rink there. Have a number of friends from the University community.

We're near Peebles, couple of hours west. I hope to attend the upcoming auction at Hendersons arena. Maybe we can meet up if your there.

Keep on keepin on

Jack

[Meovcorz]

Ah, that would make sense :D.

[ohiowhitetail]

Athens, home of the Bobcats. We used to spend a lot of time at the ice rink there. Have a number of friends from the University community.

We're near Peebles, couple of hours west. I hope to attend the upcoming auction at Hendersons arena. Maybe we can meet up if your there.

Keep on keepin on

Jack

Gotta help my neighbor milk cows on that evening, I won't be able to make it to the auction - wife might come to buy tack. Just got back from Road to the Horse...if you've ever wanted to see some good hands working with a horse, that is the event to watch!

And yes, Aussies would refer to Australian Shepherd dogs - an American breed (go figure).