grrr so annoying!!

[kt_luvs_smartie]

i go to brackenhurst college n we do lunging on mondays n i lurve natural horsemanship so i hate lunging n having all the equipment (give me a parelli rope n savvy string anyday:p) n i had a cob to lunge n hes a baby n very left brain extroverted. He kept spinning round to face me n he would not go out on the circle!! dont you just hate this?? i understand that he was just playing games, but i cant start doing that in front of my instructor who hates parelli n natural horsemanship, n i got really frustrated n i feel bad about getting angry at him, (well i feel more disappointed in my self, dont worry i didnt raise a hand to him). Iv never had the chance to do parelli i assume its easier to handle than lunge lines n whips, is it? and what would you do if a horse kept facing you n wouldnt go out?

[Crystal Fire]

If you're on a BHS course and learning lunging, then your instructor ought to help you. :)
If you were a Parelli student you would probably keep sending the front end away with your stick and string - persisting in the proper postion (groan!) until the horse understood and left.
I normally start a new horse with circling by working on a straight line close to them, walking just behind the level of their shoulder. Then I encourage them forward, "push" the shoulder out and before you know where you are they are circling. But don't do that at college! :eek:

[Kate F.]

He's not playing games. He's challenging your personal space and keeping you out of his personal space. For him, this is really important as it establishes who the leader is. As we're talking about young male, we're probably talking about "who's the biggest stallion around", rather than "Are you going to eat me" - so it need you to be persistent and assertive.

I imagine it's mostly when you're trying to send him to the right? (It almost always is! :D) Try working on the left first and getting him to just step away from you with his forehand. (You can do this in the box, while grooming - anytime, any place, anywhere!) This is easiest by creating movement over the eye - that's how horses do it - but this might upset your instructors - so you'll have to improvise. You want the forehand to move away softly and willingly on both sides - ideally with the leg nearest you tucking in behind the other foreleg. (This move is "horse" for - "OK - you're higher in the order than I am!") If you can establish this routine outside the lunging scenario, it will be easier when you have to lunge him.

It's not Parelli - but it is a form of NH and it works - and you don't need any particular equipment - which means you can "cheat" when you're not allowed to use "NH" in any recognisable form! (If you have a look at my website under "The Waltz" you'll see the move I'm talking about and how it relates to lunging. Obviously you'll have to modify the body language so your instructors can't see what you're doing - but the important thing is to get those sequences from the horse - and then you'll see the changes in attitude.)

It really makes my blood boil that there are safe, gentle, effective solutions to common problems like this, and people aren't allowed to learn and use them because they don't conform to some joker's idea of "correct"!!:mad::mad:

Don't get me started on "correct trailer loading of a difficult horse" - which has to be more suitably called "suicidal trailer loading of a difficult horse"!!
:D;)

[kt_luvs_smartie]

thanks guys it toally makes sense to me i will do those forehand exercises in the stable first. and thats so weird that you said about trailiers coz i had to an assigment where you described how to load the diffucult horse and i had to write it like the BHS way and i was writing it and thinking what a load of rubbish!! haha they say to trap the horse by parking the trailer next to a wall!! :eek: :mad: what about getting the horse to trust you by getting away from the pressure if it is scared instead of forcing it in!! thanks again neways

[joosie]

Ok - I don't say what I'm about to say in order to be nasty. People have given you some advice here which I will certainly be putting into practise with a pony of ours who is difficult to lunge. But I have to ask - why are you attending college to study for BHS exams if you do not like BHS methods? Wouldn't it serve you better to train up the Parelli way?

[AengusOg]

:):):)

[kt_luvs_smartie]

Because Parelli doesnt do Equine Science Diplomas and Degrees its not a proper college and i want a career in Equince Science (i might be going on to veterinary stuff), I believe in the views of Natural Horsemanship and when i get a horse i will put them into practice but its not going to be my job.

[joosie]

Oh, right.
Talk about selling your soul to the devil :rolleyes::D

[kt_luvs_smartie]

haha you can say that again!!:P:D:rolleyes:

[Giveitago]

hey guys, easy does it.

The girls at our NH yard (not particularly parelli, monty etc- a good mix of all ideas) have to do their BHS exams.

I think it's something to do with insurance, health and safety etc.

What other exams can you do that these larger organisations accept as 'proper' training?

Until the rest of the world start accepting that you can be proficient without the need for BHS levels we are, unfortunately, stuck with what we have.

In fairness, whilst the BHS are way behind in terms of NH learning, thay are starting to change a few things since I first did my training and hopefully this will continue.

kt, good luck with your studies.