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Nimbus65
7th Feb 2008, 11:32 AM
I just had a great lesson, but on the way home I worried that maybe I hadn't done the right thing.

Some context.

I rode Rocky. He was lame over the weekend and has been on box rest with limited turnout since then. I was the first client to get on him in a week. I know and trust Rocky but he is a stresshead. My instructor was schooling a pony while she was teaching me and we were in the indoor school . . . two circumstances that make Rocky a little more stressy anyway (other horses + indoors). Rocky is about 19, he's about 16.1hh, thoroughbred crossed w/ something warmblood-ish and did alot of showjumping in his youth. He can be very stiff through his shoulders which makes him very short and choppy and when he's stressed he rushes, which unbalances him, which makes him rush more. He goes in a Market Harborough to counteract his giraffe tendencies and when he feels tense (or the rider pulls) he comes back at you and hollows. He also has a tendency to pull the rider forward by leaning on their hands, which means the rider is loading his shoulder, which makes him rush.

I got him and began to work him in and found straight away that he was very forward/on his toes and was rushing and unbalanced in both the walk and the trot (and very stiff on the right rein - so probably through his right shoulder). I cantered him both ways and found he was worse in canter - very strong and positively running away from my leg. Giving and taking the rein made a slight difference, but not much and I had to really sit up in all three paces to make sure he didn't pull me forward. We had said that as we had Rocky, we'd work on canter transitions, but I felt that if he wasn't listening to me or balanced or soft in walk and trot, then asking him for those things in canter would be counterproductive so while my instructor was schooling the pony, I started working on the walk and the trot to get him relaxed - lots of half halts, half stops, soft hands, give and take, changes of bend and then I tried to free his shoulder by doing a few strides of shoulder fore down the long side. My idea was to improve his walk and trot and get him relaxed and listening to me and then we could work on the canter. It really seemed to work . . . I got some lovely soft work out of him by the end . . . he was salivating nicely, not pulling, keeping his own rhythm and I worked hard on bringing him back to me with my seat rather than with my hands (a fault of mine). I even felt his back soften underneath me.

My instructor and I did talk about this . . . and she encouraged me to work on the walk, trot and right bend . . . but in the car on the way home, I wondered if I should have persevered with the canter in the beginning. It was a fabulous feeling to get on a horse, feel how it was going and then think about how to improve it/work with it . . . and I haven't been able to do that very often in the past (different instructor). I think I subconsciouly took advantage of the fact that my instructor was schooling a horse while she was teaching me and thought for myself. And I think my plan was a sound one. I just wonder if my instructor felt like I hijacked the lesson . . . or if I had done what we'd planned at the start and worked on the canter, he'd have come right anyway.

Does that make sense?

N

Mehitabel
7th Feb 2008, 11:36 AM
i pray for the day when my pupils will use some initiative and think of solutions for themselves! the transitions from the instructor doing the thinking and 'riding the horse from the ground' and you being an extension of them and just following instructions, to you being able to put your years of being taught into your own context and learn to apply the things you've been taught without being specifically told 'leg now, hand now, work on X and Y will happen' is a big one, and after that teaching and learning can become a lot more interesting for both parties.

Crazyhorse
7th Feb 2008, 11:39 AM
It sounds like you did the right thing and, perhaps, you wouldn't have got the *quality* of the work you did otherwise. Better to work on the building blocks if something isn't right at the beginning. I'm sure your instructor was pleased that you could work this out for yourself and got results. Out of interest, is it usual for your instructor to school at the same time as she teaches you?

inhs
7th Feb 2008, 12:27 PM
I would have done the same, and even gone back further - worked on sidepassing, foreq yields, lateral flexion and backups. I like to walk before I can run too :)

Training for me isnt about what boxes you ticked (I cantered him etc) its about HOW WELL you do it. So for me a lovely relaxed, supple, soft walk will always be miles ahead of a motorbike style canter.

You are moving from being a horse rider, to a horse trainer, which is much more different, more difficult but HUGELY rewarding :) Good on you.

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For an unbalanced horses - lateral work to get them to flex their body, to it can start to bend around corners, getting rid of the 'cutting corners' motor bike effect. Probably now he doesnt always keep his legs under him - his body probably falls inside the bend while his legs stay outside (ie like a motor bike)

For a rushing horses - again, probably as you said related to the balanced issue, so work on that.

For stiff shouders - forequarter yield & backup - to do boh of these manouvres the horse physically HAS to take his weight off his front feet, and redistribute it to his back feet. So if you can do a nice light forequarter yield, you've got nice relaxed supple shoulder and a light forehand.

Has he had a back / saddle check recently at all? might be some issues there based on his past etc.

Good luck :)

kaytenherponies
7th Feb 2008, 03:30 PM
Just want to say good on you for taking in to account what your horse was like and adjusting your riding plan to suit him on the day. Im sure your instructor was pleased to see you listening to what rocky needed and taking it upon urself to try and work on something you found to be an issue.

In my opinion you did absolutely the right thing!

Trewsers
7th Feb 2008, 03:38 PM
ITraining for me isnt about what boxes you ticked (I cantered him etc) its about HOW WELL you do it. So for me a lovely relaxed, supple, soft walk will always be miles ahead of a motorbike style canter.



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Well said!:)

Nimbus65
8th Feb 2008, 07:30 AM
Thanks for the great feedback guys (and the votes of confidence!) . . . I'll try and answer all your questions/respond to individual comments:

INHS - "For an unbalanced horses - lateral work to get them to flex their body, to it can start to bend around corners, getting rid of the 'cutting corners' motor bike effect. Probably now he doesnt always keep his legs under him - his body probably falls inside the bend while his legs stay outside (ie like a motor bike)" . . . yes, we worked on counterflexion, leg yield and shoulder fore down the long side - just a few strides and then straight - and then half halted at the corners and asked for inside bend in the corners . . . he was really bending much better to the right by the end

INHS - "For stiff shouders - forequarter yield & backup - to do boh of these manouvres the horse physically HAS to take his weight off his front feet, and redistribute it to his back feet. So if you can do a nice light forequarter yield, you've got nice relaxed supple shoulder and a light forehand." . . . I'll talk to my instructor about this . . . good idea

INHS - "Has he had a back / saddle check recently at all? might be some issues there based on his past etc." . . . his saddle fits him fine, but he does have back issues and is regularly given equissage (which helps) . . . he also has issues with his conformation (he's the most upside down horse imaginable) and I think he struggles with stiffness due to all those things plus his past . . . I don't think he's unsound, he just tends towards being stiff

Crazyhorse - "Out of interest, is it usual for your instructor to school at the same time as she teaches you?" . . . I wouldn't say it was usual, but it does happen . . . I actually appreciate it b/c she can show me what she means/wants me to do/what I'm doing rather than just telling me. I also like the freedom to get on and sort myself out . . . as Mehitabel said, a nice change from having the instructor basically ride the horse for me from the ground. If I felt like she wasn't actually teaching me, I'd have an issue with it, but she was offering encouragement, critique and suggestions while she was riding Mouse and I felt it worked well.

Thanks again.

N

Siogfinsceal
8th Feb 2008, 04:27 PM
I think you did the right thing. I always go by what my RI says - if you cant do it in walk you wont get it in trot and canter!. If I want a horse to do something I always start in walk and when I have it in walk I then progress into trot and canter. If rocky was not listening to you in walk or trot then just working on his canter would not be logical to me. Id rather do as you did and workl on getting it right in walk and trit which will probably contribute to improving his canter

puzzles
8th Feb 2008, 05:35 PM
Ditto all said - good luck! :-D

xx