Wormers and Colic???

[kturner]

Is it just me, or do their seem to be a lot of horses colicking after wormers, one in particular seems to be doing it.

Any comments about which wormers you give and who has had colic.

[vikkig]

i think it is when people are buying horses that have not been wormed correctly in the past and using a really strong wormer ( i know the one you mean) and it is causing the worms to pass which is causing colic, so i dont think its the wormer doing anything wrong as it is killing the worms and causing them to pass so it is working and working well, but the gut cant handle it as it hasnt had it done before and lived with the worms

[~Perdita.M~]

The wormer that currently seems to be giving a lot colic, I was warned off of by my supplier. I can't remember the exact figures, but it was very much over the recommended dosage of a certain chemical. We used it once before hearing this and it gave ours serious *in need of tail washing* bad tummies. Same with another horse I know, and the horses on that yard too.

[Aoifa]

My horses are always regularly wormed, but one of them had a bad reaction , last year to 'a wormer'. Not really colic-ey, but totally off her food, couldn't even be tempted by handfuls of grass, salivating, swollen tongue and generally depressed for 24 hours. On the box 'it' says 'in rare cases these symptoms occur', but from what I gather it seems to be more than rare cases.

The dose was the correct amount for her weight.

I have used other products since, that I have in the past, with no ill effect.
Needless to say it's one I wont use again!! :mad:

I'd be interested to know which wormer other people had had trouble with. pm me if not allowed to say on here!!

[~Perdita.M~]

Can't see why we can't say if genuinely had an issue with it, only stating the truth in my own personal experience:):confused: Its pramox that I was mentioning:)

[kat1]

Read my thread about 'scared to worm'

[kturner]

I didnt know if we could mention the name, but yes that is it.

I have been forced to use it for a year as the yard all use the same, but I am not happy.

We always used Equimax and a 5 day panacur at beginning of spring for red worms, never had any trouble, he used to eat it in his food with no probem. Now he is headshy because of the Pramox tastes terrible, he sees you coming with the wormer and goes mad.

Luckily I have always done him from being a baby, but you mention ones that have not been done and have a heavy burden that get the colic, there seem to be a lot that are done regularly that are getting it too.

[kturner]

Kat1 - looked very diligently over and over, cant find that thread, but I think that and others have given me these thoughts.

where is that thread?

[kat1]

in metabilic - I will bring it back up for you

[mikh]

My horse has been regularly wormed and took a serious colic turn after pramox!

[kturner]

thanks kat1 found the thread, that is the one I read which put the worries in my head. will keep reading both threads for a while.

[Trixie]

It seems that many more horses than usual are coming out of winter with a huge encysted redworm burden. At this time of year, they tend to emerge and the vet thinks that a humoungous eruption is what made my horse so ill - she was colicing for two weeks! Thing is, she was treated for redworm as soon as I got her.

The vet thinks that she came to me with a huge burden and the first treatment just didn't get rid of them all. He recommended Panacur 5 Day Guard, followed on day 6 with Equest and a worm count 14 days after that.
The reasoning behind this is that encysted redworms aren't very susceptible to Panacur, but the adults are. Kill the adults and some of the encysted ones will emerge. The next dose of Panacur gets them and more emerge. This way, you get the encysted redworms to emerge gradually over five days, rather than in one fell swoop. With the number of encysted redworms much reduced, you can then use Equest which blasts them without causing as much damage to the gut wall.

If any of you think that worming has caused colic, check your horse's temp. Janne spiked a temp of 39.5-40.0 for a couple of days at the beginning, along with the signs of moderate colic.

The current thinking is that the very wet summer last year allowed eggs to survive in much higher numbers and so horses went into the winter with a much higher burden than usual and we're now seeing the effects of this either through spontaneous spring eruption or very strong wormer.

Janne's symptoms were so severe that the vet suspected peritonitis and did a belly tap - I don't ever want to go through that again! I HATE worms! And now I have to try to get a worming tablet down the throat of a semi-feral cat!!!