My new additions from ashford market!

[classic_astra]

we picked up two horses at the sales today, one is for my mum and her other half and one project for me!

first up is mums "ted" 15.2 irish cob gelding, 5 years, come out of a working livery, very very quiet, lovely boy, good to do in all ways.

http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j239/classic_astra/DSC01514.jpg

and this is "santurin" awful name for a horse!! this is my next project 14.2 registered, branded 6 yr old haflinger gelding, was proving too much for children so was chucked in the sales. got a feeling hes going to be a challenge to ride! but lovely tempermant, and so far so good!

need some names though!!

http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j239/classic_astra/DSC01513.jpg

http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j239/classic_astra/DSC01515.jpg

http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j239/classic_astra/DSC01527.jpg

**if anyone knows anything about the haflinger, please let me know as i didnt get to speak to the seller, so i'd like to know anything i should be aware of, and general background info!**

[dessert_storm87]

Aww they look lovely. Good luck with them :)

[NoviceNic]

Both are beauties....good luck with them both. :)

[summercandy]

I wondered who brought that coloured cob.He looked a lovely chap.I didn't actually see the haflinger at all when I was looking around,although admittedly I spent more time looking at the bigger horses as my YO was contemplating buying lots 77,79 and 80. I can't believe how little money some of the horses were making in the ring yesterday. There were some lovely horses there and most of them looked in good condition. Good luck with your new horses.I look forward to hearing how you get on with them. The haffy is very handsome.I'm clueless with names though lol.How about something simple and manly like Alfie or Bob?

[kirby]

They are lovely !

I like the names

Sam
Jessop
Fred
Walter - Piebald chap
Dwayne! lol
:D

[mikh]

i saw them can I be cheeky and ask how much, feel free to pm me if you dont mind telling

[Katie.C]

i saw them can I be cheeky and ask how much, feel free to pm me if you dont mind telling

I ditto this, I was thinking of looking around ashford next time but don't have much to spend, just wondering how much they go for? Sorry for being nosey :rolleyes:

[Libbyo]

I was shocked at the low prices of horses in the Royal Leisure auctions. If any ones going on September 10th, we could meet up.

[mikh]

the coloured is stunning, im a tad green with envy!

[classic_astra]

its oki dont mind saying, we paid £2500 for the coloured, and £1000 for the haffy.

i know it seems steep to buy something at the sales for that much, but hes warrented and was ridden around the sales alot and didnt seem bothered by anything. also i think you have to have an eye for what something is like, or going to be like in the future, and i think they'll both be lovely. ill eat my words if their not!!

[mikh]

I think if hes very sane and steady you could get 4k for him here! Haffie will be an easy sell on too, looks in good condition too!!

ETA no eatting of words needed, two sales horses now have lovely home - thats good enough for me :D

[ginageorge]

:)Both very nice,good luck with them.:)

[Eanruig]

I find it really fascinating how Haflingers are worth that much in the UK just because they are haflingers. I grew up in Switzerland and apart from the obvious Freiberger a lot of people have haflingers and it's a bit like having a cob, it's 'just a haflinger' not a very special breed or so.
In austria the foals sell to Italy for meat if they can't get sold on etc.

Well, I'm glad this chap will have a good place to stay. The haflinger at our yard was a lovely horse and quite willing to listen to his rider but could be very cheeky and take the utter p*** if he thought he could get away with it. Was very sure-footed though.

[stroppy-mare]

They're gorgeous, Good luck with them both :)

[nattyhorseluver]

Once you have you haffie going nice, if you ever want to sell him you will get a good price for him :) Mine was up for £3800 as a recently backed 5 Yr old, with very good blood lines (I didnt pay any where near that though!) :D!

[classic_astra]

what are the good bloodlines in haffies?? his sire was "steven" ans dam was "lorla" from his vacc records looks like he only came to this country last year at the earliest!

[happyhacker101]

Nice looking horses - well done and am sure they'll both be great and there will be no need to eat any words:) One thing that does always amaze me is the amount of people who buy young haffies for small children and then wonder what went wrong!! Do you think that its the colour that turns peoples heads?? The only haffies I have met have been the real deal and certainly not kids ponies!

[ncharibo65]

i like the name bailey :D and marley, mercury, nelson, winston.... :)

[lachlanandmarcu]

does the Haffie have any papers? the UK have stricter rules than the continent on bloodlines etc as we follow the mother Austrian studbook so are more ££. Is there a shoulder brand with GBH on it, if so its UK reg. Most are continental imports tho.

My Haffie is the horse of a lifetime, bought unbroken at 3, she is the most talkative, loving, genuine, fun equine I have EVER met. She lives on fresh air, no shoes, webbing bridle and synthetic cob saddle.
http://i342.photobucket.com/albums/o405/lachlanandmarcus/liesel%20and%20marcus/Feb08-MontyTaggyAngelaLieselMorgane.jpg

To see what a Haffie can so see this utube
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9pw3IfU5to0

you may get addicted. NB I would say they are more an older (teen) or adult horse too, they are cheeky if given the chance!

[classic_astra]

i love the name marley!!

he has all the breeding details in his passport but most of it is in german. and no brand on the shoulder!!

i got told by the dealer in the pen next door, saying dont put a kid on him cos hes known to buck!! charming! he tells me this AFTER i buy him!!

im not sure if he has got him confused with some other haffy ? or whether he was just just trying to put me off as i went and looked at a couple of his horses and didnt buy them in the end as they were too expensive for what they were so im not sure.

but im thinking if h e was ridden by a child he might just have taken the p*ss out of him and the child lost confidence?

what do u think?

or do u think that ive just picked a right nutter?!

[Melting Moments]

Fab boys CA, they are crackers! he need a pretty boy name though lol

[cinammontoast]

I think any horse will try it on unless they're absolute saints! Probably with a decent rider on board he'll come good. Loving the coloured!

[classic_astra]

just entered sire and dam info on breed database, and came up with this

http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/santurin

which is on his passport so any help in wether these are good lines is much appreciated!

[Melting Moments]

i love the name marley!!

he has all the breeding details in his passport but most of it is in german. and no brand on the shoulder!!

i got told by the dealer in the pen next door, saying dont put a kid on him cos hes known to buck!! charming! he tells me this AFTER i buy him!!

im not sure if he has got him confused with some other haffy ? or whether he was just just trying to put me off as i went and looked at a couple of his horses and didnt buy them in the end as they were too expensive for what they were so im not sure.

but im thinking if h e was ridden by a child he might just have taken the p*ss out of him and the child lost confidence?

what do u think?

or do u think that ive just picked a right nutter?!

I agree, if they know they can get away with it they will! especially with kids!

MARLEY IS LOVELY!:D

[wigsrcool]

Ohh i was going to pop up there yesterday but was working :(

did you happen to see how much/if lot 63 went for? it was a 2 year old coloured tb x, LOVED it.

your new additions look very sweet :) where did the coloured come from as it was on working livery?

[sarchie]

just entered sire and dam info on breed database, and came up with this

http://www.allbreedpedigree.com/santurin

which is on his passport so any help in wether these are good lines is much appreciated!

You could take a name from one off his family tree!!!!! Love that his dads name was Steve LOL! They are both lovely :)

[Kit]

I'm surprised tbh that you bought without speaking to the seller first, the auctions I have been to this has always been an option, if the dealer is telling you that I would certainly be cautious about him,but then again he could be lovely!

[summercandy]

Im not certain but I think lot 63 didn't sell as she didn't make the reserve,but not certain on that as there were quite a few nice coloureds yesterday

[IrishDQ]

Love the coloured! He sounds lovely.

Let us know how you go with the Haffy :D he looks like he has character! :p

[classic_astra]

I'm surprised tbh that you bought without speaking to the seller first, the auctions I have been to this has always been an option, if the dealer is telling you that I would certainly be cautious about him,but then again he could be lovely!

he didnt come in till id got my seat, so i didnt realise he was there and usually the owners are outside the pen at some point after but i didnt see her at all, and i cant remember what she looks like, im just desperately trying to find out where he came from as i would really like to be prepared for anything he throws at me!

[Howengold]

I love them both but your mums boy is my fave.... don't show my Hannah..she has a thing for coloureds at the mo x

[Bays_R_Best]

They are both lovely looking horses. Can't say I know much about Haffy's, only that they are strong, and very intelligent.
As for a name, why not just call him Sandy?? Maybe a bit obviuos for a haf, what with their colour, but its the closest 'stable name' I could think of to Santurin. ;)

[lachlanandmarcu]

All pure bred haflingers trace back to one of seven stallion lines, the stallions are named with initial letter the same as their dads, the fillies after their mums.

The stallion lines are
A B M N S ST W

So your boy should really have a name beginning with ST, after Steve!

My girlie was by Barrique but her mum was Laja and as a girlie she follows that, so she is Liesel. If she had been a boy she would have had a name beginning with B.

Does he have a passport, if so is it English or from the German stud book?

Heres some info for steps to take to see how well bred he is (and whether he could be registered in UK, which would potentially increase his value):
http://www.haflingersgb.com/Registrations/Guidelines%20for%20importing-registering%20foreign%20haflingers.pdf

Bucking wise, check tack, wear a body protector and ride through it, dont let him get his head down(they have quite a low head carriage anyway so decent contact no harm). Lots of haffies try it on with bucking, most give up once you ignore it, but it does depend on whether its a joyful wheee buck, an Im fed up buck or an evil I am def going to get you off non stop buck fest!
The person would Im sure have been talking about the same pony, so do be careful initially.:)

[haffy]

All pure bred haflingers trace back to one of seven stallion lines, the stallions are named with initial letter the same as their dads, the fillies after their mums.

The stallion lines are
A B M N S ST W

So your boy should really have a name beginning with ST, after Steve!

My girlie was by Barrique but her mum was Laja and as a girlie she follows that, so she is Liesel. If she had been a boy she would have had a name beginning with B.

Does he have a passport, if so is it English or from the German stud book?

Heres some info for steps to take to see how well bred he is (and whether he could be registered in UK, which would potentially increase his value):
http://www.haflingersgb.com/Registrations/Guidelines%20for%20importing-registering%20foreign%20haflingers.pdf

Bucking wise, check tack, wear a body protector and ride through it, dont let him get his head down(they have quite a low head carriage anyway so decent contact no harm). Lots of haffies try it on with bucking, most give up once you ignore it, but it does depend on whether its a joyful wheee buck, an Im fed up buck or an evil I am def going to get you off non stop buck fest!
The person would Im sure have been talking about the same pony, so do be careful initially.:)

I was just going to say that his name should begin with ST. Maybe he is related to Stanley:);)

Mine bucks and is usually lovely to ride but every so often he plays up. The best word to describe them is wily. Not for kids at all.

[WooHoo2]

If you're looking for a name that begins with ST and is linked to Austria...
... how about "Strauss" after the composer!

or if you're looking for "St" as in Saint - "Florian" is the patron saint of Austria

I was at the Ashford Sales - glad they've both gone to good homes - well done!

[Kit]

for future reference, not much you can do now but if the seller isn't about, I wouldn't buy if aiming to do a ridden project, as they were probably avoiding the ring to avoid discussing his bucking!

[classic_astra]

thanks guys, im only looking for a stable name, his posh regitered name will stay as santurin, thanks for the links, will look up them tomorrow. hoping to jump on him tomorrow after ive lunged his non exsistant balls off! so should be fun!

[hot.to.trot]

hows about
*romeo
*casanova
*harley
*sunny

[hot.to.trot]

thanks guys, im only looking for a stable name, his posh regitered name will stay as santurin, thanks for the links, will look up them tomorrow. hoping to jump on him tomorrow after ive lunged his non exsistant balls off! so should be fun!

hi just to say, i know you havent asked for advice but... before you get on i'd suggest having his back and teeth checked, just so there are no nasty suprises :D

[Smartie Pants2]

Both of them are gorgeous, have fun with them:D

[classic_astra]

im gonna give him a chance tomorrow, as for all i know he could be fine, if there seems a problem i will definately get the physio out just to check, then saddler and dentist is due out soon anyway!

[Georgie.I]

my haflingers name was,

Marco polo van de ljdoornpolder !

:) he had good lines and came from holland

My fjord has a longer name!!

[rookierider]

I love Marley for the haffy especially with the recent film! Really suits him.
Think you need to see their personalities a bit to help decide

For the coloured handsome chap.... Harvey, Dougal, Nelson, Woody

I am so glad they both have a lovely home, I hate to see them at Sales and especially the number stickers on their bottoms. I'd want to buy them all so have to take a sensible friend when I go :) Well done you, so pleased on your new boys

[haffy]

How about Stig???

[classic_astra]

thanks guys, i think i like marley! gonna go ride him soon so ill try get piccies!

[vixie]

i got told by the dealer in the pen next door, saying dont put a kid on him cos hes known to buck!! charming! he tells me this AFTER i buy him!!



sadly every haffy ive ever met has bucked....they are quite notorious for it.

they arent a childs pony because of their strength....same with other types like fjords, highlads etc...they know their strength and they'll use it.

with good groundwork and schooling they make great adults ponies.

[Brychen]

Please let us all know how you get on and off the haffie (i.e. normal dismount LOL). If he does buck and was ridden by kids it may be that either he was taking the micky or had saddle fit problems. My old cob has developed a tendency to buck in canter -turns out his saddle was sitting with all the weight on his loins and his back hurt as soon as he cantered!

Hopefully he will be okay with you, but at least a nice haffie makes a nice driving pony so Im sure one way or another he will be a useful pony to own.

[classic_astra]

well, i couldnt even get on the bloody thing!! just completely freaked as soon as i put my foot in the stirrups!!!

[minxymare]

he's certainly going to be a project then, beautiful little horse, good luck with him :)

[Kit]

think that explains the seller not being present. Sounds like he'll need lots of quiet, persistant work, hope he does work out, keep us updated :)

[summercandy]

Oh dear.I guess that would explain why none of us even noticed him before the sale as well. I'm guessing he was brought in more or less last minute before being sold through the ring. I see from his listing in the catalogue he wasn't warranted to ride so looks like he is going to be a long term project for you.Hopefully it is just a behavioural problem rather than a health issue and one that you can get to the bottom of. We had a lovely haffie at the yard who was supposedly recently imported and apparantly quiet to ride.In truth she was quiet as long as she was on the lead rein.When ridden off of it she would plant her feet and buck.Most stubborn horse I have ever come across. She was owned by a novice and eventually she sold her on to a more experienced home. I don't have much experience of the breed but I have heard that they are slow developers and they are slow to cotton on to proper ridden work,always choosing what they consider the easy way out. I guess this seems to fit in with the amount of haffies who seem to have a bucking problem. I presume the next step is to go back to basics and restart him with a dummy rider that he can't get off.

[classic_astra]

where can i get a dummy rider?! id love one!!! it would come in sooo handy!!

[28jen28]

you could make a dummy rider out of old sack, like a scarecrow sort of thing

[carn77]

Beautiful horses...
I'm loving the haffie already...
Please please dont strap a dummy to his back hes already scared you will just freak him out and you do not want to see a horse that is blinded by fear!
Unfortunately for some reason lots of novices buy haffies and ruin them we had a 5yr old mare brought by complete idiots on my yard the horse dam near killed them like your haffie they just sold the problem on i wish at the time i had the money to buy her as she was stunning haffie and with time would of come right and would of been ideal lovely little pony..
Think as your aware you have got yourself a project i would let him settle down in his new home with you as i bet you in his short life hes had a fair few homes each one has tried to ride him and now hes all confused and scared as when hes shown hes scared (buckin) no doubt hes been kicked whipped pulled around...
Build his trust again build up that trust just by working on the ground with him build your relationship plenty of in hand hacking is a great tool for bonding get all the basics checked back etc then as your relationship grows you can start looking to introduce his tack again then progressing to being ridden...
He will be tough project but a very rewarding project and i wish you all the very best luck...
Please please keep updated on his progress as would love to know how he gets on:D:D

[WooHoo2]

I know I'm banging on about the guy - but I've just watched Jason Webb back a boy this morning - and omg! did this boy bronk when he didn't want to go forward - but he just sat there - and then Jason just rode him forward walk through to trot, turning and walk & trot on both reins - made him realise that going forward was the friendly option and horse was so chilled out it was beautiful to see.

[summercandy]

Nobody would ever suggest putting a dummy rider on a scared horse.What I actually suggested was to restart him,using a dummy rider if it is due to naughtiness and stubborness rather than fear.If rebacking is done properly then it should all go smoothly and there should be no fear. Even the experts use dummy riders when neccessary. Classic_astra is not a novice owner from what I can see and I am sure she can tell the difference between naughtiness and fear and I am sure she will also look at back,tack,teeth and any other possible reasons that could cause this behaviour first.


If you do decide to take the dummy rider option then you will have to make it yourself as I don't think they come ready made. You do need to try to make it around the weight of a person though as otherwise it would not be as effective. At our yard we have only had one horse who needed a dummy rider and this was due to a previous muscle tear in her back which she associated with a rider putting weight in the stirrup and would send her off broncing before a rider could get on board. Obviously it was just too dangerous to risk a real person getting on board first

[classic_astra]

i agree, from seeing what ive seen in the last few days i think a dummy rider would be a bad idea, hes going to be completely re-started, however not with me, hes just far too nervous for what i have time for, and is gonna take a long long time to come right. i did buy him as a ridden project to school out hacking with my youngster but theres no way he would be ready in time for him.

my friend is very very experienced in nervy horses, and is gonna start him again from scratch, doing him 3/4 times a day which is what he needs, which i dont have, so i thought it in his best interests (and mine) to let her take him on, and give him a better shot at what hes capable of! im sad hes gone, but i know hes better off!

[joey_olop]

Aw they are both gorgeous-and in good condition considering they were being sold at a market (the one I bought my boy from the horses didnt look like that! :( )