Loan Arrangments plus passports

[zoey112]

Hi,
i am getting closer to having a horse and full loan and would just like a checklist/hints and tips, to make sure i dont forget anything.
A contract will be made and signed..
Is there anything i really need to know?

also, when the horse is handed ovr and the contract signed, do I keep his passport, as i will b looking after him day to day or will his owner keep it??

I have owned horses in the past but this is the first time loaning so i am a little apprehensive..

thanks in advance
:D

[pedilia]

You should have the passport as you are doing his day to day care:)

[zoey112]

thank you Pedilia..

anyone else have any hints tips/things i mustn't forget?
:D

[zoey112]

bump please...

[notpoodle]

and make sure you READ the agreement before you sign it!!

i signed an agreement (looked like a variation of the standard BHS one!) and have the passport for vets etc. mine was maybe easier because she isn't ridden as yet!

[Chip]

Make sure the loan agreement is very clear on who pays for what, everything, and conditions of return, calling vet, etc etc etc.

The passport, and not a copy, must be kept by the person loaning.

[Treacs]

That's interesting. Everyone I've known who's loaned has always had a copy of the passport. I was always told by numerous people that one of the golden rules of loaning was the owner should keep the passport. Poor Steph (ScottishTerrier) has copies of both my boy's passports :o and was told by the vet that they shouldn't really sign the copy vaccination wise. I assumed this was commonplace so it could be transfered over to the original passport once the loan ends. I've known people in the past that have had the copies signed. Maybe it's just different vets and some are more lenient than others. :confused:

[domane]

A horse's passport is NOT proof of ownership, more to prove who the HORSE is and to provide a record of health and vaccination issues. It is the law to carry it's passport whenever it is transported so if the owner keeps it, they are breaking the law straightaway if the horse is transported away to start the loan. A passport MUST remain with whoever has custody of the horse, whether owner or not.

[Treacs]

I realise it's not proof of ownership, I know that. I was just innocently stating my past experiences around the subject.

[Ashlea]

That's interesting. Everyone I've known who's loaned has always had a copy of the passport. I was always told by numerous people that one of the golden rules of loaning was the owner should keep the passport. Poor Steph (ScottishTerrier) has copies of both my boy's passports :o and was told by the vet that they shouldn't really sign the copy vaccination wise. I assumed this was commonplace so it could be transfered over to the original passport once the loan ends. I've known people in the past that have had the copies signed. Maybe it's just different vets and some are more lenient than others. :confused:

ditto - Ive NEVER handed out the passport when Ive loaned out a horse - that would be just too easy for them to get it signed in their name and claim the horse as theirs! (Even if a passport doesnt "prove ownership"....it would certainly make it more difficult to prove that the horse hadnt been sold and handed over should the person loaning decide to hop off with the horse - please note that Im not saying you would do that, lol). Usually a photocopy is given, and it is noted in the agreement that the passport is being retained, and will be available if needed for legal purposes etc.
Usually, the passport is to be provided within 3 HOURS of being requested....I called the passport provider for my horses when I loaned them out, and they told me to hold on to the passport, and state in the agreement that it can be made available upon reasonable request. Im sure the police will understand if you do happen to be pulled over in transport, aslong as you can provide the passport.....then again Ive only ever loaned out to local people, so passport can be available on demand.

Call the passport provider if in doubt.

[scottishterrier]

yeah i have copies for the two boys, vet gave me a lecture as said its illegal for me to not have passport as i have horses. he did sign the copy re vaccination and said only if real passport was sent up here could details be transferred over by himself so ive no idea. ive always had real passports no issue but dont mind x

[Gruntfuttock]

Usually a photocopy is given, and it is noted in the agreement that the passport is being retained, and will be available if needed for legal purposes etc.

This may be usual for you, but it isn't "usual". The passport should stay with the horse. I have to wonder, if you don't trust the loaner well enough to hand over the passport, why would you hand over the horse (which is worth FAR more then the passport itself, both emotionally and financially)?

I would also suggest that anyone who is thinking of loaning out their horse, should get proof of the loaner's identity and address before handing over the horse and signing the contracts. The first time i took a horse on loan, the owner came and stayed with me overnight, so she knew that I was real, as was my house, family etc (although she was a friend anyway - you don't have to be quite this exacting!!). On the second occasion, when I took Ella on loan, i gave her owner copies of my passport and council tax bill, so she knew I was who i said i was, and that I lived at the address I'd given her.

[Soot]

I always had Libby's passport & when she changed loan home the passport went with her ... Afaik, the LOAN agreement/contract provides the evidence that the horse was not sold but merely borrowed out ...

[Soot]

I always had Libby's passport & when she changed loan home the passport went with her ... Afaik, the LOAN agreement/contract provides the evidence that the horse was not sold but merely borrowed out ...

[loubylou]

I actually spoke to the horse passport agency over this regarding my loan as I was unsure, and they said the passport MUST stay with the horse at all times, so should be with the person that is taking care of the horse- so in my case ME.

the legal stuff I got:
'passports - the Horse Passport (England) Regulations 2004 state that all equine must have a passport.
It is important that the horse’s passport accompanies him when he is on loan. As the owner of the horse
it is worth photocopying the entire passport to keep with your records in case you need to refer to it in the
future. A horse’s passport is only a form of identity it does not prove ownership, so by giving the passport
to the borrower you are not transferring title to the horse unless this has been expressly agreed.'