some advice please

[scottishterrier]

Hope this is in right place, feel free to move it though mods if not.

As most of you know i took Frosty and Bailey on loan from Treacs a couple of months ago and im having some issues with Frosty. He is a 5 year old lightweight cob but is immature for his age.

When he arrived everything was good, he had some minor catching issues and is a bit nervy on the ground but i allowed him to take his time and he has come on leaps and bounds(actually comes in himself, leans on me follows me round etc)
Riding wise he is very immature but not bad or silly. He has always been a fidget when you are getting on but with patience and moving the step every time he moved I'd get on after a few attempts. Once out on hacks its easy enough to get on and off no bother.

Recently though his behaviour has changed and im now getting very close to being thrown off my yard!

He has started barging and destroying fences even when i put up two separate elec fences between him and the post fence he went right through them all. He does it if i remove one of the other horses(even though he is always left with the other horse for company) he winds himself up when i leave and then settles but as soon as he sees me come back to the yard(down a drive) he starts to freak again and destroys the fence. Yesterday was the worst as when my YO held gate open for me Frosty jumped it almost kicking YO in the head in the process!!:eek:

He has also gone from hacking perfectly happily alone to being very prancy, rearing almost vertical when i get on and spinning.

His teeth back etc all have recently been done and his tack is new and fitted. Treacs and i both feel its definitely a behavioural thing rather than a pain or discomfort thing but its getting on top of me a bit as YO is now charging every time the fence gets broken and is on at me every time i arrive

the thing is that riding in comapany he is so so good, he isnt spooky or silly he goes wherever i ask, either at the back or upfront, he canters calmly in the open fields and i cant fault him, however i now have to put a leadrope on him and lead him out whenever i want to ride my other two which is also limiting what work i can do woth the others.

any help ideas or advice is definitely appreciated(hope it all made sense im known for my crap ways with words!)

wee pic for getting this far(the gate behind is the one he jumped)
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[Treacs]

Hopefully people on here will come up with something. Really hoping and crossing everything that a conclusion can be reached. :confused:

I feel bad that he's turned so much. :(
xx

[Nookster]

whats he being fed?

How is he in a stable if the other go out for a ride?

[scottishterrier]

whats he being fed?

How is he in a stable if the other go out for a ride?

i dont have stables but i have a large field shelter with a door. My sharer went out with tonto and bailey and frosty were in the shelter tied up for grooming with me, Frosty freaked and almost snapped the headcollar to get out, he then threw himself at the fence over and over.

He isn't fed very much at the moment handful of chaff some calm and condition and garlic but his workload is very light so he doesnt get a lot.

[scottishterrier]

Hopefully people on here will come up with something. Really hoping and crossing everything that a conclusion can be reached. :confused:

I feel bad that he's turned so much. :(
xx

bless you its not your fault and nothing for you to feel bad about. I took him on knowing there were issues and was willing to work with him it just seems he wants me to have more work lol x

[Treacs]

I just hope we can get to the bottom of it. It's so strange that he's randomly freaking out, especially what you said about him being tied up with Bailey.

I'll try and ask around too and see if anyone at my yard has any suggestions that might help.
x

[Nookster]

has he feed changed from when he was at his owners home to loan home?

How long has he been with you now? just wonder if its an insecurity.

Could you maybe build up his confidence solo hacking in hand?

[scottishterrier]

has he feed changed from when he was at his owners home to loan home?

How long has he been with you now? just wonder if its an insecurity.

Could you maybe build up his confidence solo hacking in hand?

he was on the same feed.

I think its about 2/3 months now. He was insecure when he arrived but he has come on so far with that. I can lead him from another horse or with another horse but he is flipping out if i lead him out alone. I have tried lunging before a ride and also taking him in a school and working him beforehand too.
I can ride him out alone but its not enjoyable and the rearing when i first get on is off-putting but its preferable to his in hand hacking as he rears etc with me under him. x

[Nookster]

when vol was 5 he used to go backwards and forwards eractically in his progress so to say. I went from hacking solo fine for many weeks to complete tantrums leaving the yard and even onto rearing/stropping out even with company.

Each time went back to basics and started again. So small but significant steps to build his confidence back up. In hand walking, timed sessions away from his friend, a few minutes and then increasing on that.

could he leave his friends for a short while and so he didn't strop out and return? and vice versa for his friends? could tonto maybe leave the field but stay in sight and slowly over session go further a field and come back?

[Kit&Holly]

I wouldn't give him any 'hard feed' till you get to the source of his behaviour hon! I am having issues with Holly and this is one of the things we have done she is just getting the tiniest amount of chaff when the others are fed and adlib hay!

[lynnemh]

have you tried putting him in a stable first, before which other one you are planning on riding.( and shut the top door if you have to) it sounds like an insecurity thing to me. at least by getting him in first you are keeping everyone safe, and he will probably not be so keen to get in there, especially if he is a greedy sort of cob as i would possibly stop the food totally for a while, and just give a dmall amount of hay in stable when he is in, ie. take away his possible incentive for barging through everything in sight to get to it first.

[scottishterrier]

have you tried putting him in a stable first, before which other one you are planning on riding.( and shut the top door if you have to) it sounds like an insecurity thing to me. at least by getting him in first you are keeping everyone safe, and he will probably not be so keen to get in there, especially if he is a greedy sort of cob as i would possibly stop the food totally for a while, and just give a dmall amount of hay in stable when he is in, ie. take away his possible incentive for barging through everything in sight to get to it first.

as above i don't have a stable i have a large field shelter with a full door. i have had him in there with door closed with another horse and haty and a feed and my sharer has taken tonto away and he freaks completely. equally as bad if i leave him in with tonto and take bailey.
The feed thing is literally a small handful chaff and a sprinkle of candc because the others get the same to get their suppliments. its really no more than a mouthful although i wet it so he licks the bowl for ages.
the field shelter isnt somewhere i could leave him when i hack out one of the others as the door is a big metal one and really it is just a shelter at the moment and not secure enough.

[Nookster]

What I’d look at first is building your relationship with ground work, getting control of his feet, movements and reactions, to then enable you to go that step further to enable you to take your other horses away.

At the moment they leave and he wants to go too, he sounds very insecure and doesn’t seek any comfort in you. I had the same when I first got voltan and it was horrendous, but now he will stand quietly why odin leaves, before he would run over the top of me and kick the living hell out of the breeze block wall if he was left alone, he got him self that upset he would stress colic.

I also had the same ridden wise and it would be a struggle to get him to leave other horses, for instance at a show he would throw a full tantrum if asked to leave the other horses in a ring, I could be cantering round and need to over take to become lead file, I’d get half way past and bam he would slam on and full nap as he refused to go up front alone.

It will take time and won’t be an over night fix what so ever, its been 2/3 months he will need a lot longer to settle with you and his environment and his routine.

The only thing I would suggest at the moment is not splitting them to create the dramatic reaction you are getting so far to stop any hassle from you YO and just start with tiny steps. Might mean missing out on hacks for the time beginning but if hes staying with you its best to start working on him now and building his confidence in these situations.

[Nookster]

I’d also agree with stopping all feed, even if its just a small handful – best to start with a fresh slate and see how he is without and build back up from there but personally wouldn’t feed him any hard feed for 2 weeks and see how he is

Does he get any treats? Even just carrot or apple? Likits? Polos?

[lynnemh]

sorry, missed the bit where you first mentioned field shelter. riding stuff, i think i would try going back to basics and groundwork, no riding out for a while, maybe just longreining and a little schoolwork with cones and poles on ground to keep him thinking, so hes not got time to think of being naughty. sorry, i didnt think you were over feeding him, only mentioned as a means of taking away all incentive for barging when others were being taken out of field, i thought that if he didnt get any reward for coming in then he might not be so keen to come in ( but that could be an entire new issue!) what do your insticnts tell you ie on the face of it on reading your post, it sounds like he is insecure, but you are the one who knows how much work he does , and his personality; sometimes it is the littlest thing that will suddenly click...do you think is he going through a thuggish phase of simply challenging all authority? good luck tho'- one thing about horses- theres always some problem to sort out!

[racingstripes]

He sounds very insecure in the field? Has something spooked him at all? He sounds like he's had a confidence crash

[scottishterrier]

nothing at all. small private yard where only YO and I go back and forth. Not near anything or any paths or roads.
Have just spoken with YO who informed me that he has witnessed Frosty trashing fences when im not even there so all 3 horses in field.

[devonlass]

Isn't seperation anxiety a pain in the @rse!! Had it with my mares I used to have and drove me nuts,so frustrating!!
I don't have much to suggest apart from keep at it,they do get over it,just takes a while to sink into their thick heads that their friends will return:rolleyes:
The problem of YO and fencing etc,is of course an issue,is there any way you can put up some 'proper fencing' like a large pen or section and put him in that when you go out?? Or anyway of running your electric fencing off the mains,they don't tend to mess with that so much;).
I agree he is suffering a crisis of confidence,but all the same he needs to learn that he can't go beserk everytime his friends are taken away,is not safe for him or others.Also he is still doing it even when he has a horse left with him,so not sure that totally fits with being insecure??


nothing at all. small private yard where only YO and I go back and forth. Not near anything or any paths or roads.
Have just spoken with YO who informed me that he has witnessed Frosty trashing fences when im not even there so all 3 horses in field.

This also doesn't quite fit in with it being total seperation anxiety,although I still think thats a part of the problem,but maybe there is something more to it?? Is there something he's trying to get to?? Are there mares nearby maybe?? That's assuming he's trashing fences to get out,or does your YO mean he's just trashing fences for the sake of it?? Very odd if so,and only thing I can think of is learned behaviour,or way too much energy and frustration building up.

Sorry there were more questions than answers there,and probably not much help:o

[Nookster]

How much grass is there in the field?

Some horses sadly can just have disrespect for fencing, their weight on a fence gets them through and it’s a easy learnt habit for them that they proceed to carry on doing it as they know they can

I picked up a charger from ebay which was £45 portable one which runs of Batterys and gives a good zap. Do you use anything like that?

[lynnemh]

ive been thinking about this as ive done my jobs this morning; it might be an idea to get his back checked. ie the fidgeting about when you are trying to mount, and the rearing- could be pain related. (or he could just be trying it on a bit) , but i would get someone to stand at his head and stop him moving off when you mount, for discipline,for manners, and for safety, ( and depending on how you have to swing forward to get on, it would be putting a strain on his back) i think there seems from what you say to be a bit of a jeolousy thing going on regards you, ie rushing to be with you- where is he in the pecking order with the other horses, and is it when he is with particular horses that he freaks out more- is he being bullied by any of them, or is he the dominant one? it could be, as someone else said, that the grass is to rich , but i think you will have to go back to basics again, and just start eliminating possible causes. have you tried, and is he ok in a field farther away from the gate to the yard, if he has someone with him for company. i am also wondering whether , if he is a bit dominant, putting him in with a bossy older mare might help- she would put him in his place if he got too uppity. which might have a knock-on effect generally.

[Treacs]

ive been thinking about this as ive done my jobs this morning; it might be an idea to get his back checked. ie the fidgeting about when you are trying to mount, and the rearing- could be pain related. (or he could just be trying it on a bit) , but i would get someone to stand at his head and stop him moving off when you mount, for discipline,for manners, and for safety, ( and depending on how you have to swing forward to get on, it would be putting a strain on his back)

He has always fidgeted when mounting and I believe it's just because he hasn't had much done with him and is very green. He was improving so much before going on loan so it's been one step forward, one back- as it usually is with youngsters. :rolleyes:
I used to have someone at his head and use a step or chair (and moving it with him until he stood still) to get on- which I believe is what Steph (scottishterrier) has been doing.
He passed a vetting and had a good going over just before I got him (I didn't have him for long before putting him on loan as circumstances changed and I couldn't take him to uni with me). He had his saddle, teeth etc done. I believe his saddle may have changed fit within the last couple of months but from the sounds of things it seems more behavioural due to what I've been told about his behaviour on the ground too.

i think there seems from what you say to be a bit of a jeolousy thing going on regards you, ie rushing to be with you- where is he in the pecking order with the other horses, and is it when he is with particular horses that he freaks out more- is he being bullied by any of them, or is he the dominant one? it could be, as someone else said, that the grass is to rich , but i think you will have to go back to basics again, and just start eliminating possible causes. have you tried, and is he ok in a field farther away from the gate to the yard, if he has someone with him for company. i am also wondering whether , if he is a bit dominant, putting him in with a bossy older mare might help- she would put him in his place if he got too uppity. which might have a knock-on effect generally.

When I had him I found him to very gentle and nervy if anything and never saw him show any aggression. :confused:

It's puzzling me as much as Steph and I hope we can get to the bottom of it.
x

[lynnemh]

well i hope something good happens and it all clicks back into place for them- just have to keep eliminating the obvious possible causes, and hopefully it will be one of those easily fixed, once you know what it is, sort of things.

[happyhacker101]

Does the YO have mares? When I was a teenager we had a gelding who behaved like this and he turned out to be a rig. Were there mares at the last yard he was at?

Really hope that you manage to get this sorted out.

[scottishterrier]

ive been thinking about this as ive done my jobs this morning; it might be an idea to get his back checked. ie the fidgeting about when you are trying to mount, and the rearing- could be pain related. (or he could just be trying it on a bit) , but i would get someone to stand at his head and stop him moving off when you mount, for discipline,for manners, and for safety, ( and depending on how you have to swing forward to get on, it would be putting a strain on his back) i think there seems from what you say to be a bit of a jeolousy thing going on regards you, ie rushing to be with you- where is he in the pecking order with the other horses, and is it when he is with particular horses that he freaks out more- is he being bullied by any of them, or is he the dominant one? it could be, as someone else said, that the grass is to rich , but i think you will have to go back to basics again, and just start eliminating possible causes. have you tried, and is he ok in a field farther away from the gate to the yard, if he has someone with him for company. i am also wondering whether , if he is a bit dominant, putting him in with a bossy older mare might help- she would put him in his place if he got too uppity. which might have a knock-on effect generally.

thanks.
He is at the bottom, Bailey is boss closely followed by Tonto and then Frosty is way behind. The grass is rich but they are restricted due to the other two being so tubby.His back tack etc are all 100& but im havnig saddle fitter out just incase his shape maybe changed the past couple months although i have a feeling he would be playing up throughout the ride if that were the case,.
he is already in the farthest field from gate and due to his reaction is never left alone always with tonto or bailey and his reaction doesnt change with either of them.
i sadly am the only one on yard so no chance of an elder mare x

[scottishterrier]

How much grass is there in the field?

Some horses sadly can just have disrespect for fencing, their weight on a fence gets them through and it’s a easy learnt habit for them that they proceed to carry on doing it as they know they can

I picked up a charger from ebay which was £45 portable one which runs of Batterys and gives a good zap. Do you use anything like that?

is this to attach to my current battery then fence? if so can you perhaps pm details x

[scottishterrier]

just to add i did have people hold him while i mounted but once the rearing started he was throwing the person around and the two people have given up. However i got a friend to get on him to check it maybe wasnt just me and i held him, He tried to go up a few times and i held his rein firmly and spoke firmly to him and he calmed in seconds. however when im getting on no matter what i say or do does this lol

[lynnemh]

i think i would not ride him at all for the following monthes,until spring and do some long reining instead; do you have someone who could also walk at his head to begin with ? eventually setting up cones and ground (trotting) poles so he has some thing to aim for and concentrate on. would he be ok being worked in front of the feild shelter, if the others were in the shelter, so that he could still see them, then gradually start to move him farther away. and ditto i would work the other horse, where he could see, if frosty would let you do that without trying to break away and barge over to you. i think that he has probably had his confidence knocked ie riding out alone, and it is carrying over to everything, and the things he is doing in the field ie trashing fences and jumping out are panic attacks and frustration. if you could just spend the winter long reining and walking him out in familiar places, and start again in the spring,i think it would help. i would also definately get his back checked, as you could have a horses back done on monday, and on tuesday they could put it back out again, so as he is flinging himself about a bit, and rearing, he could easily have put something out of kilter. and as said above , if you could safely work or ride the others in plain sight of him, you can gradually get farther away and build up time. might work? best of luck

[Mary Poppins]

If I were you, I would get a professional to come and help you. Do you have an instructor? This behaviour sounds dangerous and could get out of control if it doesn't improve. You both say that you are at your wits end and don't know what to do, so I think that you really do need to find someone to help you. Either that, or could you send him away somewhere to be schooled and hopefully get to the bottom of this?

[lynnemh]

agree with mary poppins; yes , having tried all the options, i too, would get good pro. help to come out, because it is a dangerous situation to have a horse rearing, and doing the other things.

[lynnemh]

but i would hesitate to send him away, sounds like he has had too many upheavals in his short life already. a good professional could come and access your individual situation, and observe the interaction. if you sent him away, he would, after all, be coming back to the same situation which could bring the same issues up again. you need to work together with someone on site.

[Mary Poppins]

I was thinking that this horse might do better at a much bigger yard with lots of horses about. Perhaps then he won't get so stressed about one leaving.

I personally think that the behaviour sounds pain related, or possibly neurological. To me, this appears to be too extreme for the normal 'teenage' temper trantrums. I would want the vet to come out and check his back at the very least. Vertical rearing is a very dangerous situation and I don't think that anyone should get on this horse until absoloutely everything is eliminated.

And, although I presume that the person loaning is friends with the owner, if this was me I would send the horse back. It's alot of work, time and energy to put into a horse which doesn't even belong to you.

[Treacs]

I was thinking that this horse might do better at a much bigger yard with lots of horses about. Perhaps then he won't get so stressed about one leaving.

He was on a bigger yard and he was worse as he was terrible to catch. When he went on loan I loaned him as an honest but green horse whose only vice was that he was bad to catch and could fidget a little when mounting.
The reason he went to Steph is we believed that he would benefit from being on a quieter yard and it would help his nerves re the catching issue and this does seem to have been proved true.
He went away sound in every way and the fidgeting whilst mounting was put down to him being an inexperienced youngster as the minute you were on he was 100% fine and would go about his ridden work like a little star.

I personally think that the behaviour sounds pain related, or possibly neurological. To me, this appears to be too extreme for the normal 'teenage' temper trantrums. I would want the vet to come out and check his back at the very least. Vertical rearing is a very dangerous situation and I don't think that anyone should get on this horse until absoloutely everything is eliminated.

That is probably a route we will have to go down if we keep drawing a blank. It's just strange that he is absolutely fine once being ridden, it's just the leaving the yard and the getting on (from what I've been told).

And, although I presume that the person loaning is friends with the owner, if this was me I would send the horse back. It's alot of work, time and energy to put into a horse which doesn't even belong to you.

He's a lovely little horse and it's a shame he went from only having one real problem (the catching issue) to developing these habits.
People at my yard at home are now telling me I should just have him shot- which is something I'd obviously never do. :(

Thank you for your help though. :)

[lynnemh]

oh, poor boy! dont do that, he is just a baby! what was his history before he came to you - i think you said you had only had him a short time before you went to uni. ?

[Mary Poppins]

People at my yard at home are now telling me I should just have him shot- which is something I'd obviously never do. :(


I know that it is never nice to hear things like that, but if he really is as bad as you say then your friends are probably just worried that you are going to get hurt by him. I wouldn't say that having him put to sleep is an option now, because you have yet to call in the professionals and you have lots of options to consider first. However, if he doesn't improve then sadly this may have to be something you have to think about. If he doesn't stop the rearing and he can't be ridden, he doesn't sound like a safe horse you can retire because of his extreme behaviour in the field.

Saying that, at my yard (a very big BHS training centre) horses are often brought cheaply from sales because private owners cannot cope with their behaviour. There are several who just cannot be turned out with other horses because of their field behaviour, but they do really well being worked for 2 to 3 hours per day. Some horses just need lots of think about and to be worked constantly and consistently. If things are not working out with your loaner, perhaps you need to try and find him a new home with someone really experienced who can work with him.

[Treacs]

oh, poor boy! dont do that, he is just a baby! what was his history before he came to you - i think you said you had only had him a short time before you went to uni. ?

I had him for a good few months before he went on loan- I had planned to work with him and bring him on down at uni but obviously circumstances changed so I made the decision to put him on loan after I was happy he was working well and accepting everything (ridden wise) whilst in my care.

He was professionally started when he was 4 from what I know and had been doing little bits and pieces with me over summer. He'd started pole work and though his trot to canter transitions still needed work he was coming on well and you could see him starting to work properly in the school. He still had typical baby issues and would rush in trot sometimes and stick his nose out for a few strides but would then come back to you and work nicely when asked.

He was hacking out well and had been ridden around the housing estate next to the yard so had been out in light traffic.
He had also seen heavy traffic as his field was across a dual carriageway. :rolleyes: He could fidget and get ants in pants while waiting at the roadside but this would never be anything unmanageable.

His mounting was coming on well, I'd had someone standing at his head while getting on but there were obviously some occasions where there was only me at the yard. In these cases I'd have a step or a plastic chair and I'd just move it with him until he'd eventually stand still and let me jump on.

Following on from his history I do believe he may have had a bad experience in the field in the past as he went to Steph with the catching problem and at times it would seem he was scared of the headcollar- though once you had hold of him he'd settle right down and be fine.

Also, following on from Mary Poppin's reply-
He was always a star to handle and had very good stable manners. He was turned out in a group of about 6 horses while at my yard, though he was bad to catch he never did anything re the fencing and would even stand there quite happily while the others horses came in and out of the field (sometimes to my annoyance if I wanted to get him in to ride and he decided he didn't want to come in on that occasion :rolleyes:).
I always found he had the best behaviour in the field (obviously minus the catching issue), what I mean is he was always very respectable of the fencing and other horses. If anything he was gentle and at the bottom of the pile.

I believe he has only started this behaviour recently from what I remember- though Steph will probably confirm it better than me.
I really hope it's a phase and we can go through the options one by one.

Just seems a shame that he went from being a lovely youngster with such potential to now giving everyone more problems than they need in such a short time.
x

[Nookster]

Gonna disagree here

Voltan as a 5 year old sounds very similar to what you are experiencing/explaining with regards to ridden issues/mounting.

Voltan used to fidget when mounting; this is very much a baby thing in my eyes and with work can be changed.

He was also a rearer/napper when leaving the yard, I would mount and then try and exit our stabling area to a small lane and this is were he would kick off – when out on a hack he would settle and be fine but sometimes I felt we couldn’t ever reach this point as he was too dangerous. I also had rearing issues when he didn’t understand what was being asked of him or simply he was trying to say no. Harsh voice, firm hand would have him take it too the next level and one which I couldn’t deal with, I had to use ways that he thought it was his idea, change his way of thinking and mainly build our relations and understanding of each other

I’m no expert by any means and our RI helped me 110% with some of the techniques to get him to disengage and listen. I did experience a lot of trainers before that that just thought a good telling and whip would help. This wouldn’t have worked for him what so ever and this isn’t me trying to be fluffy this was me trying not to get killed. I tried it once and it nearly ended up with me and him on parked cars. But now hes nearing 8 and we have a better bond I can give him a row and a smack if needs be and he listens. But still some instances when I know his brain is on override and its still not suitable.

Our mounting issues originally were from baby ways and learning all about standing and mounting. Also their backs can feel very strange to them being babys and this is also a process they need to get used too.

We made great progress on this after some nasty falls but got a major set back when we had an ill fitting saddle which made vol think all saddles and mounting were ‘bad’. I again had to start from the beginning but this time harder as his thoughts were confirmed from a bad fitting saddle.

Before and during this he had all back, tack, teeth checked. Only back and tack problems I had were the above saddle and his back being sore after this.

Mounting wise for me was all ground work, never sat in the saddle until he was bomb proof, standing still etc. So flapping of saddle pads, flexi of neck, tapping loudly, noises and movements to get him used to distractions, then onto to learning to stand still, half weight. A lot of people might disagree but when I mount I always stand and then provide vol with bit of apple, he flexs and waits for this and makes him very patient – not suitable for all horses I know but works a treat for us. I also after time when this worked made sure I could mount and not give anything but a rub on the head as I didn’t want any stropping from no apple.

Hes young, hes had a rough start from what you say – both to me just mean consistent work to help him through this patch rather then classing him as unusable.

But just because hes had a rough past I wouldn’t treat him any different to any other horse.

I wouldn’t write him off, just finding the keys to push that work for him. Hes only had 2/3months with u and is 5 – gonna take a lot longer yet in my opinion.

Re the charger – it’s a self contained charger and runs off Batterys (D’s) not off a car battery

[scottishterrier]

i now have arranged for someone to come out and visit us. What i fear is that maybe my yard isn't what he needs ie i only have the paddocks and shelter no school or facilities and i do most of my schooling on hacks.

[Treacs]

It's a shame as he lived in the field quite happily at home all summer and was only brought over and put in the stable when I was going to use the school on the yard. We'll have to keep our fingers and toes crossed that everything works out. :(
xx

[Treacs]

I feel cheeky suggesting this but maybe you could stop hacking him out for a while and just use the school (across the road, is it?) that you told me about. :o
I'd take him back if I could to stop the hassle for you but like I say, I really can't until summer. :(
xx

[scottishterrier]

I feel cheeky suggesting this but maybe you could stop hacking him out for a while and just use the school (across the road, is it?) that you told me about. :o
I'd take him back if I could to stop the hassle for you but like I say, I really can't until summer. :(
xx

i have already decided to not ride him untill i have things sorted however taking him to the school is an issue because a: i cant ride him there and b: he is rearing at me when led away from his pals.

Not riding him also doesnt help with the destruction when one of his pals leavs the field and i cant not ride tonto as i need to keep him active and as you know bailey is midway through our fittening regime so i dont want to give all 3 time off although riding is def decreasing over winter. x

[scottishterrier]

i feel so bad because when hacking out with his pals he is an angel(once you actually get on and get past the initial rearing) he was an angel on sunday hacked past motorbikes on artace course(even tonto was spooking) cantering in open fields. standing still while the other two had a gallop etc.
i just hope we can get it sorted as i love him to bits and want to work it out. ive even been looking at diff livery in my area but everyone is full

[Treacs]

I understand, sorry it was just a suggestion. :o

Just let me know anything I can do to help and I'll try. Even if that means helping make up costs if a new livery yard is more expensive.

[lynnemh]

treacs, you sound like a really nice person! ( you both do) i hope that this all gets better, and hope you get on well with the person that is coming out ... please keep us posted how it is going!