how do I discipline a buck

[Waikato Valuta]

how do I discipline a buck

That is if I manage to stay on.

Should I hit him with a crop and where.
Should I boot him and send him forward.
Should I scold him with my voice (this hasnt worked so far)

Dont worry i have checked everthing. His teeth were done a year ago. his back was checked 2 days ago. the vet was out a month ago. his saddle ha been fitted by an acredited saddle fitter.

He was bucking becuase of a sore back but now we have fixed that problem he seems to enjoy sticking in the ocasional buck hear and there. epecially when i am trying to teach him something new and he just goes nup dont wana.

I thinkg it's just a trick he has learnt to conveniently deposit the rider on the ground so he doest have to do anything. he always seems so pleased with himself.

:D

Please help. I am confident to ride out "almost" anything.

[Wally]

If it's when you introduce something new are you sure he's not feeling something a bit sore? Teeth done a year ago may need a light tough of the rasp again by now.

I tend to ignore tantrum bucks and praise even the smallest attampt to do what I am asking, even a shift in his weight at the start of a new move is enough to get big hugs so he gets the idea from the start.

He might be convinced that a sore back is still with him if he did have a bad back, especially with new things he THINKS might hurt him.

I'd growl a bit and ignore it on the whole but make a huge fuss of any tiny attempt to do what you ask.

[Tootsie4U]

John Lyons teaches about "disengaging the hips". In theory, if the hips are moving laterally, the horse cannot buck. Its a technique you can teach the horse.... but Im not too educated in it as Im fairly new to Lyons. Try asking Harry Hobbes - he would know.

Basically, you want to prevent the buck before it happens, and by disengaging the hips, you take the option to buck away from the horse.

Horses also "remember" pain. He could just be expecting pain when asked to go into canter or something and just reacting.

[nakedescapee]

How long ago was his saddle fitted? I agree with Wally... perhaps his back is still a little sore or maybe he simply is afraid it might hurt so he is going to do what has worked in the past. Keep trying him for a while and see if he doesn't calm down then, if he is still bucking, start looking for the cause again.

My experience: Homie's saddle was checked by a highly recommended saddler who said it fit her very well (and it does) but she was still crow-hopping and moving weird. Finally, I tried a Wintec Raised Schooling Pad and *everything* stopped. I discovered that there is a big difference between checking the saddle while the horse is standing still and when the horse is working.

Good Luck with it and *Hang On!!* ;)

[cvb]

the trouble is that by the time you've stayed on, its often too late to ''discipline'. But I rather like Tootsie's friend Harry Hobbes idea of "100 push ups" ie in this case if the horse bucks to avoid something, then surely the best 'discipline' is to go back and ask again and get him to do it ?! Put him to work. And as Wally suggested, go for a bit of positive reinforcement by rewarding the right thing.

[Tootsie4U]

Yepper cvb.

The disengaging the hips exercise when the horse threatens to buck would be a "100 push up" thing.

Where's Harry when you need him :D !?!?

[Waikato Valuta]

yes i see your point thanks for the tips. I will try.

Thanks :D I see there is a better way

his teeth were done 6 wonths ago and th saddle was fitted about a month ago.