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Zoie
22nd Apr 2001, 02:37 PM
Hello to all,
I've encountered a "conflict of interests" at the barn where I lease a sweet Arabian gelding named Scaramouche. The owner of the horse doesn't seem to be aware that the horse is only "green broke" has virtually no schooling and what he has had I believe has been very poor. To make matters worse I'm a beginning level rider with only a years riding experience. I have two very good friends both with over 20 years horse experience who have been helping me school this horse and in the past month he has been doing wonderfully. (Also want to thank Heather and everyone here for their suggestions)

The trainer at the barn, who evaluated my riding and informed the owner that leasing would be fine, has found out that my friends have been helping me with Scaramouche, she is in complete disagreement with my friends training methods and has said she considers them "dangerous" (We removed his martingale, in order to see how he was moving his head without restraint). As far as I can tell it is her methods that make me feel unsafe and the horse really dislikes her. I've seen her longe horses using draw reins forcing the horses head down, she repeatedly punches horses in the face. And the one horse that she has been training exclusively for a few years is an absolute nervous mess (She claims the horse is just stupid) I don't believe in stupid horses, just stupid methods of training.

My horse will not come out of the pasture when he sees her, and snorts non-stop around her, further more she punched him in the muzzle when he tossed his head last time she bridled him. I do not want to have her as a trainer for this horse nor to I want to take lessons with her. The owner of the horse, however likes her and believes in her
(This is an absentee owner she is never at the barn)

My problem is that the owner doesn't want me to hirer a trainer for the horse, she believes the horse is trained and has said she doesn't want the horse "re-trained" and also that I do not have the experience necessary to train horses and that I should only be concerned with riding lessons to ride better. I don't disagree with her, but this horse needs a trainer and so do I to teach me how to work with him to really encourage him to go correctly.

If Scaramouche was just a nice horse I would walk away from this situation, but he has won my heart. I've never met a more genereous horse. He is loving and willing. He has suffered such abuse and almost went to slaughter, all because no one has ever been willing to spend time with him. Even with his history of neglect and abuse he is still willing to give his trust and seems to enjoy being with me.
Finally I get to my question, should I offer to buy the horse... is it wise for such a novice as my self to work with an unschooled horse that also has a history of abuse? (Sorry to go on like this I'm loosing sleep over this decision)

floppy
22nd Apr 2001, 03:49 PM
well, it seems as you have done well so far with the horse and your friends have helped you alot that If you are willing to get a trainer to help you or your friends could put enough time aside to help you i would think it would be ok..however you got to find out whether the owner is willing to sell.
Someone said to me(not too long ago)when they were giving me advice about buying a horse (i been riding for a long time and ridden alot fo different horses but never had my own horse)

that if you are tempted to buy a horse with a few "problems", think of this:
A horse like that will be really hard work and some days you will cry over him (and over yourself) BUT he will teach you more about re-training horses than any human trainer ever will and as you progress together you will grow together and probably be closer than you ever imagined. It entirely depends on you as a person - some people haven't got the desire to learn, patience, communication skills and humbleness required to re-train a troubled horse, other people do very well with that and in time become good, honest, all-round horse-people that are greatly admired by others!
Don't be afraid of a horse with "psychological problems", just accept the fact that they will require more time and a lot of patience. Often it is the "problem horses" that are the most intelligent, proud and talented with that extra spark of spirit, so if you want a "winner" it can sometimes pay to take on such a horse that other - less talented riders than you - gave up on a long time ago.........
Talent requires understanding.

anyway i know you said you only be riding for a short time and it will definately be hard if you got no one to support you and help when you need it! but i think mayeb you should try and go for it if you believe you can succeed..after all you wouldnt be still easing the hrose if you couldnt cope with the situation! I would also talk to your horsey friends and see what they think as they know you betetr then us and they can (and should) giv eyou an honest opionon!
good luck and let us know what happens :)
flossie


*please note Im not suggesting this is a good idea for all novices to run out and get their hands on a horse they cant cope with :) *

Silvia
22nd Apr 2001, 04:12 PM
I agree with Floppy
If you got on well with the horse until now and your friends are going to continue helping you I think you can handle him.
If you buy him I'd remove him from this yard to get away from the abusive instructor.
Good luck with watever you decide.

Spunkhorsey
22nd Apr 2001, 04:31 PM
Hi,
I think, by the sound of it, this horse has gained alot of trust in you and will work well for you if he is trained well, you said about you're two friends, well they could help you train the horse properley, the way you feel safest. If you love this horse and are prepared to spend alot of time training and schooling, rather than jumping and hacking, then I think the two of you, in time, will become perfect partners.Although it's up to you, you sound very devoted to this horse and know it and get on with it well from leasing it, so I'd say go for it!
Before it's too late.

kelsey
23rd Apr 2001, 05:03 PM
I say go for it! My niece was only riding for about 10 months when she got her horse - a school horse that was purchased from an auction, and that all the other riders hated! Something just clicked between them, and now, a year later, they have come a very long way.

Sometimes you have to let your heart overrule your head, or you will always wonder "what if". And it seems like you have the determination to succeed.

Good luck and keep us posted!

k9 Equine
23rd Apr 2001, 05:21 PM
If you have a leasing contract, please read it through before you make any decisions so you don't get caught in a legal bind.

You are the best judge of this situation. If everything is telling you to go ahead and buy, then go ahead and make that offer - but prepare yourself for a NO - and the repercussions.

Hope things work out well for you and Scaramouche!

~ KE