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15th Nov 2005, 10:41 AM
The Welsh Breeds

History

The Welsh breeds may have roots that can be traced back as far as the Bronze Age. Harness and bits found in North Wales can be dated that far back, and from the size of both harness and bits - which measure under 3" in length - we can safely assume that ponies, not horses, were used for work at that time.

In the tenth century, Hywel Dda's laws describe three types of horses; the Palfrey, which was the riding horse or pony; the Rowney or Sumpter, which was a pack horse, and the third which was a type of light working horse. Further references to horses can be found in the Book of Taliesin, which contains a poem 'Canu y Meirch', describing horses of the time.

It seems that much of the improvement of Welsh horses, and the final type of Welsh pony and cob that happened between 1100 and 1500, can be attributed to the influence of Arab stallions brought into Wales by the Crusaders. These stallions were Spanish horses which were used on native Welsh mares to produce the 'Powis Horse', a Welsh cob which was used extensively by the English armies from the thirteenth century. Descriptions of Welsh cobs found in the work of the fifteenth century Welsh poets are still the ideal in present-day cobs, and it is also around this time that the importance of pedigree is stressed. Around this time the term 'hackney' is also seen to be used; this is not, however, the Hackney horse we know today - rather it refers to an all-purpose light horse, the term being derived from the French 'haquenee' meaning a light saddle horse.

In 1535 Henry Vlll passed legislation that aimed to eliminate the existence of small horses. Because of the needs of the armies, who carried huge amounts of armour, it was neccessary to breed bigger horses for soldiers; thus a penalty of 40 shillings was imposed on anyone using a stallion under 14hh in height. Another law passed in 1541 forbid the use of horses under 15hh - in other words, smaller ponies were to be destroyed. Many of the smaller Welsh ponies evaded capture living in the mountains and hills, and it's also possible that the law's existence was never known in some parts of Wales at all. When Elizabeth became queen the law was annulled; the result is a proliferation of Besses, Lady Besses, Black Besses and Queen Besses in the early days of a grateful Welsh Stud Book! George ll then passed an Act in 1740 which banned 'ponies' from racing. As a result, a small Thoroughbred stallion called Merlin was bought and turned out on the Ruabon hills with the Welsh mares, resulting in an improvement in quality and the term 'merlynnod' being used to describe his descendents; the word 'merlen' is still used here today to describe a pony.

By the late 1800s Welsh breeders were using Hackney stallions on their cob mares to produce flashy movers which commanded high prices. The Hackneys of that era were a much more substantial animal than those we see today and many nicked well with the Welsh mares. A number of Welsh stallions were registered in the Hackney stud book; before the Welsh Stud Book came into existence, breeders felt it was better to have their stock registered there than not at all. A lot of the information about pre-stud book stallions can be found on their stud cards, although there is also a certain amount of confusion since what is on the stud card does not always tally with the stud book entry. Further confusion can arise from offspring named after a sire; the early stud books are full of Comets, Flyers and Expresses for a start. Another cross which was fashionable for a while was that with English Shire horses to produce colliery horses. That cross introduced dishing, plain heads and coarse bone, and fell from favour fairly quickly.

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15th Nov 2005, 10:42 AM
The Society and Stud Book

The Welsh Pony and Cob Society came into being in 1901. The Stud Book was established the following year, with four separate sections each dealing with a different type of animal. Section A was for Welsh Mountain ponies up to 12.2hh; Section B was Ponies of Cob type standing between 12.2hh and 13.2hh; Section C was Cobs between 13.2hh and 14.2hh and section D was Cobs between 14.2hh and 15.2hh. In 1907, the upper height limit for Section D was lifted and cobs in Section D no longer had a height limit at all. The following year, in 1908, Section A was divided into A (i) up to 12hh, and A (ii) 12hh to 12.2hh.

In the late 1920s it was decided that there was a need to address the demand for children's riding ponies. Until this time, Section A were still in the main working ponies and section B was ponies of cob type hardly suitable for most children to ride. To this end two stallions were registered in section B with a view to breeding riding ponies; one was Tanybwlch Berwyn by a Barb stallion called Sahara, the other Craven Cyrus by King Cyrus (Arab).

Between 1931 and 1938 the intention was to create a new section for these riding ponies; however this coincided with the amalgamation of sections C and D for some reason and the result was absolute confusion. Section B was renamed Ponies of Riding Type with an upper height limit of 13.2hh (no lower limit) and section C was now for both cobs and ponies of cob type - it contained all sorts from ponies of 12.2hh up to two Madeni cob mares both of whom stood over 16hh.

Section B itself started rather badly. It contained four stallions which did fit the ideal of 'riding type' but one was gelded and one exported already. The mares were a mixed bunch indeed; three were in their 20s, some registered as 'now dead' and the rest included everything from some very nice ponies of cob type right through to several cob mares and one by the National Hackney Show champion.

It took until the late 1940s for section B to become what it set out to be; by then only a few cob type ponies were being registered there and the ideal was more apparent. Section C however still contained a largely mixed bunch of ponies and cobs including three stallion who stood over 15hh and more Madeni cobs.

The present day sections came into being in 1949, and the part-bred register was approved in 1950. The 'Foundation Stock' route, opened to help establish section B by approving ponies of the correct type for registration, was closed, and from January 2006 crossing ponies registered in section B with those in C and D will no longer be permitted. Edit to add that the WPCS has now recinded that decision and decided, after talking to members, to continue to allow B x C and B x D registration in the main stud book. :D

Breed Standards

Section A Welsh Mountain Pony

Height - Up to 12hh
Colour - Any, except broken-coloured (piebald or skewbald). The society also refuses registration of loudly marked sabinos.
General Description - The head should be small, clean-cut and tapering to the muzzle. Eyes should be bold, ears small and pointed. The neck should be of good length and set onto a sloping shoulder. The wither should be well-defined but not 'knifey'. Limbs should be set square, of good flat bone, and round dense hooves. Tail should be high set and carried well. Girth must be deep, ribs well-sprung, adn the back and loins strong and level. Action should be straight and free from the shoulder, with hocks adn knees well flexed and showing great leverage under the body.

Section B Welsh Riding Pony

Height - Not more than 13.2hh
Colour - As for Section A
General Description - As for section A, but that ponies of this type should be described more as a riding pony, with adequate bone and substance, quality, riding action, and the strength, hardiness and character of the Welsh pony.

Section C Welsh Pony of Cob Type

Height - Not more than 13.2hh
Colour - As for Section A
General Description - Should have the same pony characteristics of section A and B but with the substance, movement and bone of the cob blood. The general desciption is much the same as that of the Welsh cob; a quality head with pony character, bold eyes, broad flat forehead and neat ears. The body must be deep, the limbs straight with an abundance of flat bone. Some silky feather is permitted but lots of coarse wiry hair is objectionable. Loins should be strong and well-coupled, hindquarters lengthy and tail well set on. A sloping croup and low-set tail are considered faults. Action should be forceful and straight, with hocks flexed well under the body and forelegs bent at the knee and extended from the shoulder freely in trot.

Section D Welsh Cob

Height - Over 13.2hh (no upper limit)
Colour - As for Section A
General Description - As for Section C

Detailed descriptions of the breeds can be found here at the WPCS website, along with information about the society, events, sales and much more.

Welsh Pony and Cob Society (http://www.wpcs.uk.com/index.html)

Some profiles and pictures of famous cobs from the breed's history, along with some of later and present-day cobs, can be found here.

Famous Cobs (http://homepages.manx.net/welsh-cobs/Default.htm)

This is the Aberaeron Festival of Welsh Ponies and Cobs site - the festival was first held in 2001 to celebrate 100 years of the WPCS. We saw the first festival and since then it's grown considerably - well worth going if you have an interest in the Welsh breeds.

Aberaeron Festival (http://www.aberaeronfestival.com/)

This site features a large number of Stud websites, for all sections of the stud book, along with some Area Association sites.

Lots of Welsh studs! (http://www.welshponyandcob.com/)

The Welsh breeds have something for everyone, from the cradle to the grave. They are lively, athletic horses that excel both in harness and under saddle in many discliplines. They make good crosses with Thoroughbred, Arab and other types to produce consistent all-rounders that are known for their paces and jumping ability.

Some find them a little too opinionated and dramatic for their tastes; but a good Welsh is hard to beat.

Scrub pony on Conwy Mountain, where there are still wild ponies roaming in herds.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/bronyfelin-ponies/littleroanmare.jpg

2 year old section B filly

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/bronyfelin-ponies/Tiacanter.jpg

Section C foal

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/bronyfelin-ponies/Blodneidio.jpg

Section B mare

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/bronyfelin-ponies/LlafarLili.jpg

~*sugarlump*~
15th Nov 2005, 09:02 PM
I love the welsh breeds, section As are stunning! I live in wales so have seen the wild mountain ponies, I saw them galloping across the hills! so pretty! :p
i went on a riding holiday to a place called Cantref in Brecon, and most of their horses were the welsh breeds. i was riding a sec D called woody, he was only rising 4 years old! and personally i love the welsh mountain breeds BECAUSE of their attitudes!
:p :D :)

pengapenga
21st Nov 2005, 11:21 AM
I am glad the Welsh breed is this months breed as I am thinking of getting my daughter a welsh and it is nice to know what I should look for. Thank you Chev:)

The Flying Irishman
21st Nov 2005, 11:28 AM
Can you post a pic of a sec A.
We have a secA mare but no papers is there any way to go about registering her. Do not know parentage (she has a little hole in her ear allegedly where she was tagged on the mountains!)

chev
3rd Dec 2005, 11:37 AM
Can you post a pic of a sec A.
We have a secA mare but no papers is there any way to go about registering her. Do not know parentage (she has a little hole in her ear allegedly where she was tagged on the mountains!)

These are all studs that breed As - lots of pics here!

Ceulan Stud (http://www.ceulan.welshpony.co.uk/index.htm)

Flydon Stud (http://www.flydonstud.com/index.htm)

Forlan Stud (http://www.forlanstud.com/index.htm)

Blaenavon & District Improvement Society (http://www.welshponyandcob.com/bpis/index.htm)

I'm afraid that without knowing your mare's parentage you won't be able to register her. Foals must be registered by December 31st in the year of their birth, and applications must be made with a valid covering certificate and completed pedigree. Late applications require DNA testing to prove parentage; it's expensive, and without knowing your mare's breeding also impossible.

The hill ponies really fall into two categories; there are Welsh Hill ponies, which are registered mares running out with premium stallions whose foals are usually also registered, and there are scrub ponies; unregistered stock that's turned out on common ground. The true Hill ponies are the registered stock - the unregistered ponies that go through the sales for next to nothing are not very popular with the hill breeders and the hill improvement societies do work very hard to have these ponies removed.

Do you have any idea where your mare came from?

Mossy
3rd Dec 2005, 12:12 PM
Chev, I have just spent 30 mins trawling Welsh blood lines researching Conn's ancestry when I should have been cleaning the oven! You will get me shot!

chev
3rd Dec 2005, 12:18 PM
But isn't it so much more rewarding finding Conn's ancestors than cleaning ovens?! :D :D

(At least that's what I tell myself every time I open my oven door and weep...)

cazrider
21st Dec 2005, 08:24 AM
That's great Chev:D Just found this. Thank you.

Just in case anyone doesn't know about the below site. It's truly fab for researching. If you know your horse/pony's sire or dam, you can find out all sorts about their ancestry, and better still, has photos, some of which are really old. I know both Sennie's sire and dam, and have spent many a happy hour looking at pics of his relatives trying to see where bits of him have come from. As Chev says, much much better use of time than cleaning an oven!:D :D

www.allbreedpedigree.com