Another Pic of my not so potential stallion for assesment!

[kunama]

Ok, he looks on the fore hand and long in the back in this one too but no ones told him that people want to see what his good side is. I hope this gives you a bit about how how moves, am i beeing blinded by the fact he is my baby or does he move nicely?


http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c142/reductivani/Tribble4.jpg

[horsegurlie]

he's a bit of a gross one

[hApPiNeSs]

i think he's moving quite nicely, not gross! :D

what breed is he? i couldnt comment on his potential as im not experienced enough :)

[horsegurlie]

you must come from a country where they respect gross things then, coz he is an ugly frigen horse

[JOJOBA]

Horsegurlie you are going to get yourself kicked off the board if you dont mind what you say.

I dont know much about this stuff but I love his markings - what breed is he?

xxx

[Esther.D]

horsegurlie - that is neither polite or warranted. We try to keep these boards positive and helpful, if you don't like him thats fair enough, but you must justify it with some helpful comment on his conformation etc or why you don't like him rather than just being rude to people!

[JOJOBA]

Dont listen Kunama - some people just have nothing better to do with their time :p

xxx

[CMR]

I think he looks nice. Although I like judging horses by their personality rather than their looks. :)

[No_Angel]

how old is he?
he does look a bit long in the back and flat on top of his bum, but that could be because his back leg is out.
i think he looks quite a nice mover. maybe you should consider registering him with chaps.:)

[kunama]

Thanks for all the positive response.
Have a look at the other post of him on the 'Stallion material Comments?' theread i posted earlier on. What is the difference between CHAPS and the skewbald and piebald assosiation?

Horsegurlie are you french as if you are i agree he is a little on the podgy side!

Any comments on how you think he is bred would be good too as i have no idea?!

For those who have not read the previous post : He is standing 12.2hh and is 2yrs old, 3 in august, and we got him as an emaceated 3month old baby from an old barn . He is good to do in all ways and lives in a herd. People have asked me if i will be covering mares with him and i thought i'd get some opinions as to whether it was worth keeping him entier through his carrer as he would have to have compeated succesfully before he was put to stud any way. So the more objective opinions the better!

Thanks

[chev]

Difficult to say from that pic. I'm also blinded slightly by working with Welsh riding ponies, where I like to see freer movement than is shown in that pic although he shows nice flexion at the hock.

He still looks upright in the shoulder to me, and his head still looks plain (again, it's very hard to say when he's furry - ponies with the most refined heads on earth tend to look like they descend from Shires once they grow winter hair so I could be being unfair on that one).

His quarters look a bit weak in comparison to his front end - but he's a baby, and may well even up more.

It's very hard. I'd see what he looks like in the spring and decide then.

If he was mine, I'd be gelding him and training him up to ride and drive - he has lovely markings. He'd look really smart in a nice patent leather harness!

[kunama]

well he's definately not a welsh B but here's a different pic of his head !

http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c142/reductivani/tribhead1.jpg

[Monty]

He's gorgeous! And what a lovely head!!!! Delicious!

[ambatt]

I do agree he is upright in the shoulder and a bit slack loined. I do not think he is stallion material but gelded he could have a much more useful, active and happy life and looks like he will make a super riding pony. The last shot of his head is gorgeous, full of pony character, his head looks far more refined in front than it does in profile or maybe it is just winter 'beard'?

[kunama]

He is sporting a hefty beard and his head is at a funny angle in pic one,

any idea what his breeding might be?

also have a look at the other thread

'satallion material, comments'

to see more!

[chev]

That second headshot is much better. Much prettier and less plain! Goes to show how a picture can deceive...

Let him grow on until srping, and see how he's maturing then. The fact that he's of unknown breeding would go against him if he was mine, but that's not the end of the world. Right now, in all honesty, he doesn't look to be good enough to me - but it is the worst age to be looking at him with an eye to potential to be honest. They say you should look at a horse at 3 weeks, 3 months, and 3 years, and ignore what happens in between.... there is an element of truth in that too.

And to encourage you a little... this is Andy, as a weanling to start with, when his conformation was pretty much perfect - and later as a yearling, by which point he makes me cry every time I look at him. Goes to show what horrible stages they can go through (and hopefully grow out of again!) :D

Stallion potential...

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/bronyfelin-ponies/home.jpg

Potential to make me weep with despair...

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/bronyfelin-ponies/andy-1.jpg

Because your lad is coloured, you need to be absolutely certain he's fantastic. Imagine him in brown with no white, and ask yourself if people would be queueing up to use him. If the reason people want him is for his colour, geld him. Colour is the worst reason to keep a colt entire. I know how it feels; I've had people say it doesn't matter if my colt isn't that perfect because he's pally. For me, it's all the more reason he *has* to be perfect....

[kunama]

Chev , i totaly agree, i actually usualy dont like coloureds so i'm not bias in that respect!
How do you think he is bred e.g. welshX with what of even not welsh at all?

[chev]

To be honest there's nothing that shouts Welsh about him in those pics to me. Maybe one of the other native breeds? Perhaps a bit of Dartmoor or something... I'm not sure.

To be honest a lot of teh time native type ponies have so little 'pure' in them it's impossible to guess at where they came from. I have one a bit like that; mine looks like chances are he has every one of the native breeds in one form or another in there! :D

[kunama]

Well hopefully they will both have all the good points from all those breeds,

also what would you pay for a pony of this type?

[chev]

Depends what he's done really.

There was a mare of very similar type, but older and bigger, that went through teh sale here not so long ago. She was going well under saddle, done some PC, ridden off the lead by kids as young as four, and she made £600 or thereabouts.

A friend of YO has just bought a yearling colt a lot like yours but a lot more white for £450. That seems about average for that type right now.

But then show them, get some miles on the clock, get them broken and going well under saddle and in harness and the prices can go sky high - colour does sell well.

[ambatt]

Actually I do think he would look stunning in harness! Could be a whole exciting career for him.
He is a nice little chap, but not I think, absolutely out of the top drawer enough to keep his nads! I used to show Arabs and saw so many colts and stallions that really, really should have been gelded as they simply were not good enough to reproduce and pass on their genes.

[kunama]

Dont panic the post started NOT so potential stallion!! i think i'll leave 'em on till he's three , see how he fills out then wip them off depending!

Have a look at these for markings ! I'm so proud, even i think they are nice and i dont usually like coloureds!

http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c142/reductivani/PB290174.jpg


I know he looks close behind here, but you would too if you were trying to clamp you'r tail down while someone pulls it up!!!


http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c142/reductivani/PB290175.jpg

[Cherokee]

He's lovely , very symetrical markings :D :D

[shandy84]

I personally think he is a lovely looking pony for driving I to can imane him looking superb in harness but really wouldn't consider him stallion potential as much as for lack of known breeding as much as anything.

I have one purebred new forest and an unregistered arab x I have no idea what with but I do not aim to breed from her as she could have anything lurking in her genes that I would not want to pass on. Also the salability of unregistered stock is less and you see many at the meat market.

I think I would whip them off in the spring if he has not changed a fair amount by then :)

[kunama]

Quiet agree, he will be 3 around august!

I do belive though that the salability of any stock should depend on it's performance with breeding as a bonus, even the best bred horse can go to waste!
Equally the bounus' of genetics must not be over looked, though i wonder if the responses i have had would have been any different had i told you he was exceptionaly well bred?

[shandy84]

From me, no the response would have been the same but at least if you had bred from him the foal would have a chance because there would be a bloodline to refer to.

In regards to basing it on performance that is very well and good, but what has your man done so far that has earnt him the right to remain entire? :)

[love4horses]

I just love when a pony's markings are mirror images of each other. I think it makes the horse look quite smart. I don't think it would be a good idea to keep him a stallion. Only if you were to breed him to your own mares and don't care about bloodline or breed. As someone said before, I think he Would make a lovely harness pony. But, if you decide to do that, get him gelded now before his "stallion" hormones kick in high gear.

[kunama]

i've only shown him in hand and he's come home 1s't and champions and i'm no profesional shower! his carreer will be in jumping later on and howerver good he is he would not be covering anything till he had done something!

[ambatt]

Blimey! I don't think I have ever seen such an evenly marked coloured - that is truly amazing! Can't you just see that perfect little bum in front of you in harness?

[ambatt]

I know this is a really stoopid observation - but I can't see his <ahem> appendages in his bum shot photo!

[NZhorserider]

He is a cute pony, but like everyone else is saying, I would geld him. He will definitely look good in harness!

Just because he's not 'stallion material' doesn't make him any less of a special pony :)

Grace:)

[kunama]

So when is the best time to geld? and how much box rest e.c.t?
Also AMBATT considering the tone of the conversation wouldn't you be hiding them?!?:o :D

[Mehitabel]

best time of year to geld is when mud and flies are at a minimum - so autumn or early spring. autumn generally best as hormone levels down anyway, compared to spring when they are feeling sexy.

normally no box rest, as movement helps swelling to go down, so field rest is normally recommended, or if they must be in, plenty of gentle inhand work.

[kunama]

it'll have to wait till spring then, what is the recovery time?

[Mehitabel]

it varies hugely. some heal really well and it's a couple of weeks, others bleed and feel very ill. generally, the older they are the worse it is to recover, since the bits are bigger and it's a bigger deal to get rid. they stop being fertile after about 6 weeks - 2 months, as there is some sperm in the tubes anyway.

the last one we had done as an adult was 4, he bled a lot and was uncomfy for about three weeks -that was a bad one though.

[Horsesaddle]

just wondering do you have any pics of you riding him ?

he looks such a cutie :)

[Esther.D]

Had Bobby done when he was 3 and he took about two days to recover and then was leaping about like a loon :rolleyes: Mind you he is a tough little so and so having come to me from an allotment, before that he was in a field with 17 coloured cobs (he is a piebald..now greyed out...Shetland) and before that was tethered on the roadside...so he had not had a pampered life!

I think he is a lovely pony and personally, since he is doing no harm entire and autumn is the best time anyway to geld, I would show him over the summer, give him time to mature and then probably still geld in the autumn.

[kunama]

MMMMMMmmmm

Ester D , think that will be my course of action as i know he's a togh little runt!

I got him when he was three weeks old from a barn on the moor, he was totaly wild and was so week he could just about totter and sleep , he had a seven foot tape worm in him! He doesn't seem to have suffered in the long run tho, and is as strong as an ox now!

Horsesaddle, he's only 2! he'll be 3 around august time, so hopefully he'll start riding this summer.

[chev]

Bless him! Those markings couldn't be more even if you drew them on!

With regards to the unknown breeding thing... if the performance record is there (not showing for me so much as success in harness, or jumping, or in WHP classes and so on), he's of a quality type with no faults, and throws decent stock, it's much less of a concern.

It becomes a concern when parentage is not just unrecorded, but unknown - the risk of throwing back to something undesirable is greater. It's also more of a problem with coloured stock that throws solid coloured foals.... for example, if he was part-bred Welsh and threw a solid foal, the foal could still be registered as a pb Welsh. Because he's not, all you end up with is a solid coloured foal of unknown breeding. There's not much of a market for that stock right now.

I'd like to see what he looks like next summer. You'll have a much better idea of what he's going to become then too.

[NZhorserider]

Since we're talking about potential stallions, this is Jesse, my friends future arab stallion. What does everyone think?

Grace:)

I hope the picture comes up, this is the first time I've posted a pic since NR was revamped!

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[kunama]

How old is he?

Love the colour but looks a little like his neck is set on too low, and perhaps his head is a little big for an Arab?

Depends on age tho, he might still have lots of matureing to do!

[NZhorserider]

He's not very old in that picture, it's from March last year which makes him just under two I think.

I wish I had a more recent picture!

For any Kiwis on NR, his sire is Eastwinds Axiom and his mother is Kishon Brittany Blue.

Grace:)

[Santi]

Hi,
can't comment on the stallion potential but his face reminds me very much of a dartmoor pony i had, she was off the moor but was going to make 12.2-13hh. The farmers there have been putting coloured pony stallions on the moors as the coloured foals make more money (i think the endangered species agencies ? are trying to fund the farmers to keep the ponies more to type ie. brown)
I don't have a good photo of her i'm afraid but the shape of his face, expression and ears are really similar.
He's very cute, i would definately be putting him in harness too.

Have fun - Caroline.

[chapsgal]

I agree with most things that have been said so far, dont know if this has already been mentioned but, I think he would make a lovely childs pony, and if reg with CHAPS/BSPA could do well gelded. To be shown (well qualify or be a prizewinner)at CHAPS he would have to be registered and have a CHAPS licence. I think this would be the same with BSPA

And he cannot be entire as a childs pony as most clubs now have a min age for the exhibitor. Also I wonder for what reason these people are approaching you for possible stud? If it is for his markings (as you dont know his bloodlines) then he would need to be homozygous, if you're not sure of this, you cant guarantee a coloured foal.

Id write down all his qualities as 'stallion potential' and then look at it and see if YOU would pay for the same quality of pony to cover one of YOUR mares.

I dont mean any of this is a horrid way!!!! Its just another perspective on things, and if he is as loveable etc as you say then there could be one very lucky child out there!

[Luv 2 Trot]

Lovely markings!! They remind me of the markings on Arrow, from Cupid and Arrow. Very nifty! He is so pretty, i love black and whites!