What color is this horse?

[Styric]

This is a friend of mine's pony, and I've always wondered what her color was. She's a golden chestnut with paint type splashes and roaning all over.

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[shaiarabians]

sabino colouring

[chev]

Chestnut sabino. It's the sabino that gives her the white face and legs, the roaning, and the white splashes on her body. She's a really nice example too. :)

[S.H.O.W.J.U.M.P]

Another thing about sabinos is they always have pink under and on thier lips,but it can be white sometimes.

[LMS]

Chev: I didn't know that sabino contributes to roaning?
So a horse does not necessary have to have appaloosa in it for it to have roaning?

Styric: she's very pretty.

[Shiny McShine]

There are a number of things which can cause roaning, sabino is one of them. The roan gene, some forms of ticking and old age can also cause varying amounts of what is traditionally referred to as roaning.

[PinkGlamourGurl]

wow lush horse soo cute! Natxx

[S.H.O.W.J.U.M.P]

My horse is a minimal sabino and she does not have any horses with sabino or roaning in her bloodlines.

[Carab]

she's chesnut sabino.
This is my chesnut sabino, Ginger Meggs. He's pure thoroughbred. Has even got papers to prove it. No appy or paint blood what so ever.

[julesandjoy]

My horse is a minimal sabino and she does not have any horses with sabino or roaning in her bloodlines.

Yes she does.

If your horse is genetically sabino then it is a medical impossibility for there to be 'no' sabino horses in her bloodlines. Point of fact - at least one of her parents HAS to have a sabino gene for your horse to be a sabino. The sabino pattern can be deceptively minimal, say a low sock and a wide blaze which moves just sligtly into the lips or chin.

While there are many different things which might cause a horse to roan or change hair coloration a TRUE roan is roaned from birth and doesn't get lighter or change pattern w/age.

If a roaned horse does change colors (get lighter or roaning seems to 'move' around) then that horse isn't a Classic (or true) roan. The roaning pattern should be attributed to another gene. sylvia

[chev]

LMS - sabino is one of teh many genes that can result in various degrees of roaning. The roaning sabino causes is often very clearly seen on Welsh stock, where sabino is an incredibly common gene.

Danaway Tango (http://homepages.manx.net/welsh-cobs/pages/danawaytango.htm) is just one Welsh cob who shows clear and distinctive sabino roaning, along with other more recognisable characteristics.

It's important to bear in mind that current theory states that it's highly unlikely that sabino is just one gene at work, but is more likely to be a combiantion of sabino genes; which would help explain the various different markers and degrees of expression that crop up.

There's no need at all for a horse to have Appaloosa in order for it to show roaning of some type. There's also rabicano that can cause quite extensive roaning in some horses.

S.H.O.W.J.U.M.P - If your mare is indeed a minimal sabino then yes, she'll have sabino in her breeding. Sabino, like any colour gene, has to be passed on to a horse by at least one of its parents; if neither parent carries a particular gene, nor will the foal.

Not all sabinos have white on their lips either; one of my mares, who has several clear sabino markers and has thrown more than one sabino foal has no white at all on her lips (one of her foals also has no white on her lips). It is one of the more common markers but by no means universal.

This is Tally (sabino mare) and one of her foals, Teleri - both sabino, neither has white on their lips!

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/bronyfelin-ponies/Tally.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v231/bronyfelin-ponies/Telericanter.jpg

True or classic roans differ from horses that show roaning in several ways; one is that true roans will have no roaning at all on head, legs, in manes and tails. They also show 'corn marks' - where the coat is damaged by injury, the hair grows back dark, with no white hair mixed in. And finally, true roans are not always roan from birth - lots are born solid and shed out to roan later. But once they do shed out to roan (usually by 6 months; no later) the only changes in the extent of the roaning will be seasonal; some roans go very dark during the cold months and then lighten up and show more obvious roan colouration when the warm months hit. These changes are seasonal though - the horse won't get any whiter (or darker) as it gets older.

[Styric]

Thanks :) What I thought. And she IS the cutest little pony too, has the same personality as Chevy and is a speedy little thing.

Would that mean my boy is Sabino too? He's a wild-type blood bay and has very light sprinkling of white on his sides. and hindquarters. You can only really see it when you get close and groom him, but it's been remarked on a couple times.

Other markings:

- black circular patch on his hip
- three white socks with black ermine spots
- the mysterious disappearing star, an outline of half a star that fades and reappears over the year

Oddly enough a snip appeared last year on the tip of his muzzle, a white round spot not quite on his lip, but just to the left and down of smack between his nostrils. It wasn't there before and isn't on any of his papers, but it hasn't faded yet.

[julesandjoy]

Chev,
I suppose I was speaking in fairly general terms. A varnished roan appaloosa will change color yearly - progresively getting lighter and lighter and most times changing dark-to-white hair concentrations in different areas over the years. Sabino roans can also get lighter and lighter w/age. A Classic Roan (don't really like the term True Roan - what does that make the varnished roans??? Fake Roans? Faux Roans? :eek: ) is the same color it's entire life w/no varying in shades or white concentrations. When you see a weanling Classic roan you're seeing that same horse's color in 20 years. When you see a weanling varnished roan you might not recognize that horse in 7 or 8 years. That's what I meant when I spoke of 'from birth'. Should'a made it a bit clearer.

Classic roans are not the only one's whose hair grows back dark after an injury. Varnished roans will also grow back dark. I have a varnished roan bay and she also has a blanket. In summer she just looks very silver but when her winter coat comes in the longer 'guard' hairs are dark and she simply looks like a bay appy w/a blanket. When she sheds in the spring all her white 'fluff' comes to the surface and (from a distance) she looks almost completely white except for her darker points. She also is getting lighter and lighter as the years go by. It's interesting though 'cause she foaled a chestnut roan almost 5 years ago. Joy (dam) is very much looking like a varnished roan now and has that blanket too. Jubee (foal) is very much looking like a classic roan. No blanket or lighter coloration over her rump like Mom. Dark legs w/a 'V' at the top, dark head, dark mane/tail w/no other white hairs mixed in. She is ORANGE at her points and PINK on her body. Joy, on the other hand, has grayish/brown on her legs, her head has some white hairs mixed in, and her mane tail look silver due to the white/red/black hairs in them. As I said her blanket is obvious in the winter and she looks silver during the summer. She is getting darker in some places where she used to be lighter and lighter in some places she used to be darker!

White on the lips is an almost classic sign of sabino. It's been a while since I've read up on any genetics and, while it's true that a horse w/white on it's lips it almost certainly sabino, I suppose it doesn't necessarily follow that a horse w/sabino must have white on it's lips! :D sylvia