haute ecole website

[ambatt]

Please can I be Lidia, please can I be Lidia, please can I be Lidia!

http://www.hauteecole.ru/en/lidia_nevzorova.php

Which means Yann will have to be...

Alexander himself! Huzzah!http://www.hauteecole.ru/en/alexander_nevzorov.php

As well as the loincloth and beads please may I wear the selection of coloured ropes and the big foam finger?

Fanks!

[Angel2]

Yeeees I can do that, however I'm not sure chestnut is your colour dear, and are you sure about a blaze that big. (oooh sorry you meant the one on the right:D )

I have just communed with the elite (yes us higher beings have the powers of telepathy) and there is not room in the organisation for two such gorgeous, perfect beings as Alexander. Could Yan possibly consider being made over into an obviously inferior looking specimin as Jonny Dep or George Clooney?

[ambatt]

We also need to explain to our beasts that every time the camera is pointed at them they have to arch their necks up and look noble. I've been pondering over this - why do his horses do that? Even when they're supposedly relaxed next to him?

I suspect it is the cattleprod to the male horse genitalia dangly boy bits...

[ambatt]

Yeeees I can do that, however I'm not sure chestnut is your colour dear, and are you sure about a blaze that big. (oooh sorry you meant the one on the right:D )

<puzzled> NO! I meant the one on the left, although if you could do me in a bay with a star and a fetching snip across one nostril that would be perfect.

Thanks in advance...

[Angel2]

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c33/spikeselby/horsesanddogs030.jpg

This do you? and how about this for Yan

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c33/spikeselby/horsesdogsandgarden003.jpg

all the rage in Russia this year. Sorry just realised horse is wearing nasty imperialist headcollar and not H*S approved beads, although if you look closely you can see the foam finger in the background.

[ambatt]

Lovely! If you could just decrease the size of the snip a little and make it whiter that would be good.

I think the new Yann should certainly work, and with the addition of the beads and loincloth is sure to be a wow with the ladies.

[Yann]

*gulp* I'm getting some worrying mental pictures here :D

I must warn you it's going to take an awful lot of plastic to make me resemble any of the aformentioned, and quite a lot of pie consumption too in some cases.

My that Lidia is a bit of a babe isn't she:eek: Who was being Lidia again? :p

[tazzle22]

bloomin' 'eck ....... back from me outing with Taz and my evenings work .. settling down with a little glass of summat nice .......... now getting the jitters about all these "qualifications " required before I can approach my equine pal again :eek: :eek: :eek: Quick ... pass me the bottle ;)

Will I ever achieve the glory of a horsesh*te ....... will I ever be fit to scratch her in intimate places again, will I be deigned suitable to stand behind her and lay my head on her rump without being sent into space, will she ever see fit to subjigate to my evilness and leave the haybarn ( with ALL the hay to herself) to my touch behind her ear ????????????

aaaaaaarrrrrrggggggggggghhhhhhhhhhhh shall I ever sleep again such is my torment :eek:



maybe I just dreamt it this aftenoon that she put her head down into her bridle as I held it for her ??????????????????

[LMS]

My Tazzle you evil wench! You have bestowed your barbaric superiority upon thee who should not be subject to unearthly barbaric contraptions! You have imposed & made your equine to become subservient to your petty whim!!!

How dare you!!!

(Slaps & shakes you to wake up from a terrible dream)

Tazzle wake up! It year 2006 & your horse does not think any less of you even if you don't kiss her hoof in the palm of your hand.

Sleep soundly tonight my mere mortal friend

[Crystal Fire]

:D
Back to the topic slightly... he seems to really rate Silke. I wonder why as she obviously will use restraint in the form of rope halters, and a stick in her training? He must have seen her working away from PNH demos surely, it's not all big black friesians leaping around her at liberty.

[ambatt]

I think Janet Hakeney had seen him filming PP and SV at the EC in Solihull, that small village in the middle of nowhere. (page 12 of this thread)

Oh the man is a mass of vile contradictions!

[Francis Burton]

Oh the man is a mass of vile contradictions!
I tend to agree.

"The thing is, that not every signal that goes through a body of a horse gets to the brain. For instance, signals from spur or a whip (stimulus), when we are creating conditioned reflexes only go as far as the spinal cord brain. There for there is no thinking, brain isn’t involved."
This is not strictly true. While certain automatic reflexes are mediated by the spinal cord alone, e.g. limb withdrawal from a painful stimulus (spinal nocioceptive reflex), the locomotor responses to spur or whip being applied to the horse's side do involve the brain because complex and coordinated movement of limbs is generated (and would be modulated) there, in cooperation with the spinal "pattern generators". Also, the term "conditioned reflex" implies learning and involvement of the brain, even if spinal cord synapses also change as as result. Finally, even though the initial response to the stimulus may be involuntary, the message will be relayed to the brain where it may become part of the horse's "awareness" and lead to a voluntary response. Therefore the statement "there is no thinking, brain isn't involved" is simply wrong - unless the horse is unconscious or asleep - an unlikely state for a horse that was being ridden!

[esse]

I have to ask ... I wonder what Mr Nevzorov's view of RDA would be :eek:

[ambatt]

Ask him!
(Errk no, don't far too scarey!)

[tazzle22]

MMMMMMmmmmmm CFire ........... maybe Silke is a closet click / treater with not halter in sight ??????

It is a good point though as because of her mobility issues Silke cant give the same body signals that those who walk / run ...... how would she motivate the horse to move a certain way or to acertain point and communicate what it is she is asking ????

LMS ...... if I have atreat in my hand Taz will do anything :D

...... even this ( those are balloons shes is bursting)


http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b89/tazzle22/destroyingthefungi.jpg


mmmmmmmmmmm is it degrading to do a "trick" if she is doing it voluntarily and getting rewarded for it ????

[esse]

I have to ask ... I wonder what Mr Nevzorov's view of RDA would be
:eek: :eek: :eek: :eek:
Ask him!
(Errk no, don't far too scarey!)

Ok I won't. I'm not into being scared.

I wonder - I just wonder - what his view is of riders who are - like me - NOT caucasian and NOT christian???????? :confused: :confused: :confused:

Oh and not slim, blonde, young and glamourous either ....;)

[ambatt]

Just had visions of whatever the KGB is called now, camping on my doorstep (really I should stop watching spy thrillers)
Well I am short and dumpy and not young, non-blonde, no religion, so I am not sure what category he would fit me into either!. Maybe on his forum he has pictures of all the people who should NOT be allowed on a horse. We can all be perpetrators of crimes against the horse for not fitting into Mr N's vision!

[esse]

Better he spends his time with horses and his website, than resurrecting a new-era KGB-style apparatus, anyway. So that is another thing for which we can be grateful to the horse - the distraction of Mr Nevzorov from more murderous pursuits :D

[stormchaser]

Well said esse... however it's unlikely a little pawn like him will have a chance for that, since Mr. Pootie-Put has his godfather 'exiled' to the... UK :D Just hope his horses are not suffering extensively--there is only so much photoshop can cover up!

[LMS]

LMS ...... if I have atreat in my hand Taz will do anything :D

...... even this ( those are balloons shes is bursting)


http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b89/tazzle22/destroyingthefungi.jpg


mmmmmmmmmmm is it degrading to do a "trick" if she is doing it voluntarily and getting rewarded for it ????
That is so cute!!!
I'll do almost anything for chocolate (shhhh don't tell)

[ambatt]

I know this thread should be dead and buried by now, but on another forum I hang out on sometimes, I came across a link to this site:

http://www.equineextremist.net/homepage.htm

Now look at the images on the site, does it not remind you of a certain Russian Gentleman...

Who has a background in stunt riding...

[esse]

LOL! The dark glasses, the inscrutible(SP??) expression on TOPSIE Turvey's face ... the dark glasses and the artificially-toothsome smile on the female of the species ... http://www.equineextremist.net/

Yeah, I know I'm being catty meow meow but heck, I live in a VERY hot and sunny climate and wear dark glasses outdoors all the time - but unless someone has actual ocular problems, only the falsest of "poseurs" keeps them on for photo-shoots!

[Francis Burton]

Where does this obsession with "upside down" horses come from?? :eek:

Here's another example:
http://www.yannarthusbertrand.com/yann2/affichage_bestiaux.php?reference=BCH-288&pais=

(Some nice pictures on that site, and some not so nice ones...)

[janet hakeney]

Francis...there are some fabulous photographs on that site.....the lighting is all so gloomy though.

The unside down obsession is just about trust. A horse that will lie down and let you climb all over it is just proving that he trusts you not to act like a preditor.

[Just.Jump]

I think their verdict on Monty is very dated and unfair, there is in my eyes/mind a lot more to Monty Roberts and his passion for horses.
He openly admits some horses he's worked with have been given a death threat, from their owners!,I don't think he has the heart to walk away,from the horse that is.This speaks volumes while others may see this as double standards.{I don't do join up} but don't have a problem with 'join up'.

Monty Roberts was just the guy who coined the phrase "join up". If you do the research (very hard), you would be able to find other people talking about the same thing years and years ago before Monty got famous. It's just studying horses reactions, etc.

I take it you have read 'Shy Boy'? If not, then he must have that death threat garbage in all of his books. I despise Monty Roberts. And personally, I don't think he is much of a horseman. There is someone on this board (posted almost a year ago now) who had Mr. Roberts coming in to do a demo, calling farms for trick horses/horses he could easily work with rather than actual problem horses.

And anyone who advertises their fathers abusiveness to themselves in a horsemanship book is just a walking money maker these days. If you do the research, Shy Boy wasn't as wild as Mr. Roberts claims. In reality, to chase down a 'wild' mustang for however many days, then halter it and ride it home is just, well, unrealistic. As workable as a horse can be, even the BLM advocates that some horses are practically untrainable, and some are amazing- but their version of amazing is being haltered to be transported. Not ridden home by a cowboy.

That said, I'm one of the ones who wants treeless saddles and no head gear at all. If not bareback as well- a completely naked horse, if you will.

Edited to add:
About the 'unattractive, unmade, overweight blond woman': look at the expression on her face. Also look at the tight lipped, brow furrowed face of the thing young woman/girl. Those are there along with the other pictures including the horse, to show that these riders cannot control their frustration. It took me years to make myself a rider who doesn't have any temper tantrums-you would expect someone who is advanced enough to show a horse to be able to control themselves. It's not about being fat. I realise that it's a touchy issue here, but in all honesty, you guys need to stop percieving any pictures/mentions of larger riders doing bad things as an attack on large people- it is an attack (if at all) on poor riding. You could have an anorexic skeleton girl pictured there for the exact same reason, but those bags of bones don't have the muscle mass to ride effectively.

As much flame as I might get for this, it's time to stop being so sensitive, unless there has been a blatant, undeniable remark about weight discrimination. This is about the riding, not the aesthetic of the rider.

[ambatt]

We had all kind of moved on from a lot of the issues raised and have treated the Haute Ecole website with the due contempt some of us think it deserves.

I posted the link above to the "equine extremist" website as it shows horses in a similar context and positions to our dear Russian friend. However, these people (the Turveys) are what they say they are, trick riders! Our Russian friend trained as a stunt rider...

There was no other agenda - honest!

For what it is worth, my Icelandic mare will let me sit, lie, cuddle and sometimes fall asleep with her/on her in the field, but we do have a very good relationship based on mutual trust.

[LodgeRopes]

Ok, so we have had opinions on everthing from the cold war, arenas, gardens, jackets, fascism, flower arangement, scones,marmalade and whatever............(ok there was no mention of marmalade or scones, but give it enough time and I'm sure they would be mentioned)

this thread has been hijacked by petty prejudiced left/right wing extremests...whatever that means.......tsk tsk tsk.

What are you all so afraid of?

[ambatt]

I will have you know that my scones are particularly fine, especially with my homemade quince jelly. I am afraid to say that my flower arranging is very poor, although I am experiementing with a more liberal, non cruel, non-invasive methodolgy based on natural principles...

[LodgeRopes]

Quince jelly...hmmmmm now that brings back memeories of my aunty daisy.................great scottish matron of the armstrong clan here in OZ,
queen of quince jelly and scones.
the medicos told her she had only 12 months to live when she was 70...she died at 103 years...and her last words were 'that lil' russky boy has something going on'...............lol

[Yann]

There is someone on this board (posted almost a year ago now) who had Mr. Roberts coming in to do a demo, calling farms for trick horses/horses he could easily work with rather than actual problem horses.


Don't know about what goes on in the US, but that's complete and utter tripe as far as the UK is concerned. Do US barns really keep a stock of trick horses at the ready? Never seen any at UK livery yards. By all means have an opinion, but think about what you're posting:rolleyes:

this thread has been hijacked by petty prejudiced left/right wing extremests...whatever that means.......tsk tsk tsk.

Nothing personal eh? I'll have to see if my horse will lie down if I offer her a marmalade scone;)

[ambatt]

Yann dear - I simply don't do marmalade, but am happy to give you a personal demonstration of my dexterity with rose petal jam, but only if you wear your chamois leather apron..

Loderopes - I have family connections to Oz - Holden Motors?? A distant branch though..

[LodgeRopes]

Yann,
One scone from my ol aunty daisy would have your horse on its back in a second....lol.

The doctors told her she had just 12mnths to live......and she lived to 103, they told her at 102 years of age.

the point is ..........i forgot what this thread is about????
I thought it was to have intelligent input from peers on something that appeared to be of a common interest....but we were wrong, very wrong, it seems no one that wears a leather jacket could possibly be of interest to natural horsemanship practitioners.

but it has been a fun thread ....lol

[Yann]

it seems no one that wears a leather jacket could possibly be of interest to natural horsemanship practitioners.


I don't know, I think Kelly Marks looks quite fetching in hers:D

Ambatt, do you know how hard it is to get jam stains out of chamois leather?

[ambatt]

Ambatt, do you know how hard it is to get jam stains out of chamois leather?

If you are worried about the stainage then maybe totally au naturel is the way forward.

(Have we been here before I am getting deja vu!)

<goes off to look for leather jacket>

[cvb]

gyuys - go get a room ! :rolleyes:
it seems no one that wears a leather jacket could possibly be of interest to natural horsemanship practitioners

on the basis that its leather ? or simply because of the STYLE ?

[ambatt]

Personally speaking I find fringing deeply offensive. I realise I might get severely flamed for that opinion , and I would hate to be considered 'fringist' in my views, but there you have it, I despise fringing.

[cvb]

fringing is ok on suede longer length jackets. But I also find it a little much on proper leather jackets.

I also prefer that "lived in" look... and found it necessary to acquire my own leather jacket "pre-worn" in order to avoid that squeaky clean thing. (Literally squeaky in some cases !).

[nicolaj]

I would have thought fringing on jackets would be okay as long as they are made from chamios leather to match the au natural riding apron?

How's the more liberal flower arranging coming on Ambatt? HAve you found a more liberal alternative to sissors (sp) yet? Would placing them in a vase of water infiringe upon their natural liberty and ability and impose your domination upon them?:cool:

[ambatt]

How's the more liberal flower arranging coming on Ambatt? Have you found a more liberal alternative to sissors (sp) yet? Would placing them in a vase of water infiringe upon their natural liberty and ability and impose your domination upon them?:cool:

Sadly I am struggling with my conscience on this one, I feel that I am imposing my will upon them them and really they should be free-ranging flora without cage or restraint by man.

In answer to your query about the alternative to scissors, I find using the teeth a natural primitive way to establish the human-flower bond.

However, I have also found I can get my flowers to lie down in a symbiotic display of love and trust, so perhaps I am getting somewhere at last and am reaching enlightenment..

I will shortly be establishing my 'haute fleur' website for the world to become at one with my methods..

..and then my plans for world domination Mwahhhahahhhahhahha.

<Pills, where are my pills? gropes blindly>

[nicolaj]

However, I have also found I can get my flowers to lie down in a symbiotic display of love and trust, so perhaps I am getting somewhere at last and am reaching enlightenment

Doesn't that mean they are dead?!:eek:

In answer to your query about the alternative to scissors, I find using the teeth a natural primitive way to establish the human-flower bond.

Bit troublesome with those woody stems, but I have an idea, incorporate flower arranging with natural horse care, ask your horse, nicely in his own language, if he wouldn't mind awfully chewing the stems for you! Hey presto, you have achieved harmony with both your horse and flowers!!

Think I need to go and lie down now, infact the nice people are coming round with those pills, which they say are just smarties!

[Just.Jump]

Don't know about what goes on in the US, but that's complete and utter tripe as far as the UK is concerned. Do US barns really keep a stock of trick horses at the ready? Never seen any at UK livery yards. By all means have an opinion, but think about what you're posting

I am thinking about what I'm posting, it's just a bit fuzzy :p

As far as I know/remember, he was rolling into a town and called the local barns looking for very specific horses, but not problem horses. I don't mean trick horses in the sense of this website, jumping into the air and rolling over like a dog would be a belly rub ;)

And I'm sad to say, we've resorted to using premade flower arrangements around here =P

[FRED]

:D I duno,reading through this lot, I can't just help thinking just where some folk would end up reading a map:eek: .
quote:Monty Roberts was just the guy who coined the phrase "join up". If you do the research (very hard), you would be able to find other people talking about the same thing years and years ago before Monty got famous. It's just studying horses reactions, etc.


Indeed Im totaly stupid and don't have a open mind, thats the reason I will never be horsey:D
anyway,I still like Monty Roberts :p the man who invented 'join-up';)

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