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Skib
5th Mar 2006, 11:39 AM
We've had threads abut the merits and difficulties riding in a school, as opposed to out hacking. One poster last week even said that she FORCED her Mum who loved hacking to do schooling. Poor lady, I thought.
We had a thread too about setting goals, to which I was too nervous to contribute. But now I have had one lesson back in the school, I will admit it this is my goal and if I post about it, it may help others who are struggling and the teachers who try to help us.
In my first 18 months of riding I learned in a school and could trot shapes etc on riding school ponies. But I was stressed out and bullied when it came to canter, so I changed tack and learned to canter out hacking. For two years I combined hacking with weekly lessons, mostly on the lunge. So though I have learned to ride, there is a black hole in the middle. Put me in a school and I am bound to fail. eml has rightly observed that you get a good seat on the lunge but dont discover how to motivate a horse in the school.
I chose to make my first try with a horse I often hack and with an AI who knows my riding from hacking out.
Did I feel nervous? Yes. legs quite jellyish before I got on. I felt like I was going to take a BHS exam. I think one of the causes is the humiliation. It seems you can ride, the horse thinks you can ride (very important) and then suddenly you get into a situation where you manifestly can't ride. It is loss of face. And because it is hopeless, you dont try it and teachers kindly help you avoid it. However, it is a truth that one cannot learn to do anything on a horse unless one actually does it.

When we got to the school, I tried to trot round the school and failed. I was relieved because I wanted the instructor to see I couldnt do it - otherwise it would have been like taking your car to the garage with a problem that somehow doesnt show up once the engineer looks at it.
1. As we discussed the alternatives I might use to get this horse to trot forward. I had a moment of total revelation. In a school, I am set a task, e.g. to trot as far as A. and I fail to reach the target.
Out hacking there are no targets. One's speed has to be instantly adjusted to cyclists and loose dogs. What I have learned out hacking is to choose the moment for any transition, not just upward, but downward too. Out hacking I dont allow my horse to stop trotting or cantering until the moment of my choosing. Once I adopted this mode in the school, thinking of each step at a time, she trotted all the way round on both reins.
2. The instructor said that it looked good. She even tried to stop me early because she assumed it was child's play to me.
I said to her that it had not felt good, and there had been no guarantee we would go on trotting. Then she said the interesting thing: That that was as good as it got with that horse in a school. Could it be that those of us who learn to ride easily out on the trail may get a false idea of what it feels like to ride competently in a school? That I have been aspiring to an effortless floating trot which is not possible on the sort of RS horse I was using.

3. Canter. Our trot was such a labour that canter must have come as a relief for both the mare and me. The horse gave me canter each time on asking. The teacher was surprised. But horses always understand my ask for canter. This was totally different to my early years of canter in the school. When sometimes I failed to get canter or in my heart didnt really want canter at all.
For anyone struggling with canter in the first year or two of riding, I can safely say that if you've been cantering happily in the open for a couple of years, as I have, canter in a school is no longer a nightmare. I didnt canter her straight or keep my hands still enough or try her bad lead, but one can't do everything on day one.
4. The RI pointed out that it was a safe school to canter in because it was so big. I am particularly frightened of indoor schools. I came away trembling from one yard we visited and though I made an appointment to watch a lesson there, I didnt dare keep it.
So I looked at this big outdoor school where I felt safe cantering and realised that if you put a roof over it, it would be identical to the big indoor schools which so terrify me. Possibly they frighten me because I have seen people ride problem horses that they bring to demos - horses that wont stop and I have also read posts here about canter lessons which go wrong. But everything is relative. My experience as a happy hacker was that, even in a big school, my horse went no faster than she does out on an open track. In fact she cantered slower than we go most days.
I dont pretend to be over the hill. Nor would I recommend other learners to do as I did and end up with eccentric gaps in their riding skills. But it does seem that one can transfer skills from hacking, back into the school. I feel particularly cheerful that I know how to trot round a school. I came away believing I can probably do this on any horse and feeling like a normal rider.

There is a catch 22 situation perhaps. That, yes, it is disgraceful to ride for four years and still not be able to trot or canter round a school. It makes me every teacher's despair. But it is also possibly true that by not stressing yourself to reach goals, just enjoying riding for 4 years, the milestone tasks become manageable and the attendant risks insignificant.

janhebb
5th Mar 2006, 04:41 PM
Oh Skib, that is my experience too. I still have a real block about canter transitions - I thought it was just canter as a gait until I went on a hack and realised that its not the pace but the getting there from somewhere else. I have done just as you - learned that I CAN do it out on hacks. I have a couple of very good and VERY patient friends to thank for lots of quiet bimbles and a couple of short canters!.

Riding in the school is much more daunting at the faster paces but congrats for the light bulb moment!

J

No_Angel
5th Mar 2006, 04:51 PM
i havent read all your thread but i think you mean me, yes i force my mum to school.
if she doesnt school she and her horse forget things and are not safe out on the roads!

domane
5th Mar 2006, 04:57 PM
Well said Skib.... what you must remember is that riding should be enjoyable. As long as you can stay on in a way that is comfortable for you and your horse and you can keep it out of danger when hacking, who is to say you need lessons anyway?

I came back to riding last year after 21 years. I had ONE lesson last July and the floodgates opened. I bought Cherry in November and still have not been brave enough to have any lessons on her, even though I know we would both probably benefit from them.

I finding cantering in a school very uncomfortable as no sooner have you got into your stride, so to speak then you have to start turning and I much prefer to do this out on a hack in long straight line!!! :D

No school is big enough to make me comfortable, although I have Hobson's Choice at the mo with the dark evenings so I ride there just to exercise Cherry, not because I want to.

It doesn't help your state of mind that you were bullied into cantering from the outset of attempt and you need to get your head round that as well.

Sounds to me like you are doing fine and are heading in the right direction. Keep up the good work and ENJOY YOURSELF ;)

eml
5th Mar 2006, 05:49 PM
I think Skib your instructors comments go back to your basic problem of instructors attitude to your age and 'mollycoddling' you.

There is a great temptation to put those having problems or whom the instructor is afraid of having mishaps, on the quietest horse the school can offer. This generally means it is the type who would rather stand still unless strongly motivated. Issues then occur in the school because of the horses general lack of forwardness.

In an ideal world you should have your school lessons on something fairly forward going but not unstoppably strong or silly. Unfortunately these gems if the school has them are often so much in demand that the school reserves them for more advanced lessons...catch22

happy highlande
5th Mar 2006, 07:07 PM
Remember as well that the idea of schooling is not one that has been set in stone in the UK for 100s of years - when I was younger (1970s) it was unusual to see a school - even riding schools had 6 cones in a field - and most people hacked and hunted - you got a few lessons on the lead rein to begin with, then it was out into the tracks and fields - I can even remember a hack led by a 15yo - with about 6 kids ranging from 11-15 - can't remember if we all had hats, but no harnesses for certain!!!

We learned to canter by following the horse in front - then if we had a lesson (what a bore!!!!) we tried to do it in the general area of the cones . As we were in a 20 acre field - this could be interesting!!!

Arenas/schools etc came in as riding schools got bigger, people got fussier about going riding in the rain, and knowledge about dressgae increased - mostly from the Germans and the olympics.

So the point of this ramble is don't get hung up about what you can/can't do in an arena, enjoy your riding and continue learning on hacks. If you are in an arena, forget the letters and pretend you are on your favourite hack - then you can 'canter as far as the tree'.

BTW my highland pony agrees with you - he though schooling was a total waste of time until this year - he learned to trot, canter and leg yield out hacking - only at the age of 7 did he decide he could trot properly and canter in a school!!!

FRED
5th Mar 2006, 08:36 PM
its a shame about RS attitudes and us late starters,{something I have managed to ignore,although you can even see on the EE forum,where I would expect better, there are some less than tactful horsey people about re guarding late starters,learning via NH and horse ownership,Im a spring chicken at 50 although seem to be blessed with youthful looks that are a pain because my body knows from 30+ years working on heavy machinery my real age}

I know exactly what you mean about cantering in a school,it took me 5 years before I would,but in my assessment for the Sheriffs ride{assessment done outdoors,I doubt if done indoors I would have got past the trot stage}the boss was more than happy I could take part and be safe and be fully responsible for my horse for the day.
Thank goodness for common sense above all this risk assessment nonsense.

Finally last year I did lots of school work too and while not easy{because my horse was far from a school master} got to enjoy cantering in the school and working on more finesse and advanced work.But to be honest I will always be a happy hacker,odd thing though, now Im just as happy working from the ground,riding just doesn't seem to be half as much fun as working from the ground.

wanabe
5th Mar 2006, 09:40 PM
Skib -- I'm happy that your happy with your recent progress. :) I must admit I don't quite understand what you mean when you say something like "trot was such a labour". Care to expand on that?

FRED - what is ground work? Does this refer to training your horse?

happy highlande -- that's interesting history. I, for some reason, assumed riding schools had been around "forever".

Skib
6th Mar 2006, 12:34 PM
eml - very perceptive comments. But school not entirely responsible. I chose teacher and horse even though neither was my first choice. I had to cancel my original booking due to catching virus. After I recovered, the other teacher was on leave and the best horse for school lessons already booked. So I decided to go ahead with what was offered and to ride the other horse next week.
You see, my initial plan is to have school lessons with half a dozen different teachers and different horses just to see what happens. Three months ago, I mystified everyone concerned - including myself - by riding a BHS style pre hack assessment walk trot canter in a school at a yard where I had not ridden before. It was lovely and there is some uncertainty about why I havent doen it since. So riding on different horses with different teachers seems the best way for everyone to find out. I have two more lessons booked this week.
Yes, thank you, kind people who remind me its not obligatory to canter in a school. I am a competent woman, and I'd like this added competence in order to be able to buy a horse, or participate in a clinic. If it turns out that I am too stiff to sit straight enough on a horse to canter safely in the school, I shall leave well alone.

Fred, I didnt know you had started so late. It is so nice of you to tell me it took you five years. That cheered me up so much. Because if it doesnt work out I can still come back and try again a year from now. And yes, you are right about it being commn sense. It would be clear that you were safe on the ride.

Why was trot labour? The intense mental concentration. Judging when the horse was going to fall back into walk and nudging her on at just that right moment. May be reacting promptly to the horse is harder in rising trot, as one uses one's legs only when sitting?
The slow trot was labour for the horse as we in the UK dont have a Western jog. This mare moves freely and in rhythm out hacking when she has a bit of speed.
eml this ties in with your other thread of horses gaining undeserved reputations.

cvb
6th Mar 2006, 12:58 PM
Skib, I'm going to go all 'Mark Rashid' on you for a moment...

"Once I adopted this mode in the school, thinking of each step at a time, she trotted all the way round on both reins."
"Our trot was such a labour"

maybe you were only ever trotting ONE stride, and then another stride, and then another stride ? Remember what Mark said about hesitations in transitions ? Could this be stride-hesitate-stride-hesitate ? In which, you just need to take the hesitations out ;)

Wanabe - there were places of instruction (schools) but they didn't necessarily have arenas (schools) - aint the english language a wonderful thing ! Many many years ago HH and I were in lessons at a yard where they had show ponies. The lessons were in a big field at the front of the stables (or one at the back). I was riding one of the owner's son's oated up show ponies so got confined to lead rein ... when that school closed and I went to a new one, I was terrified because I had only ever trotted on a lead rein before (and canter off a lead rein - OMG !!). Luckily I had a really nice sympathetic instructor who gave me the time I needed, and hence built my confidence. (My goodness, I haven't thought about that for years !)

EDIT: I was five when I started at this original RS so can't have been that old when we changed and I went off the lead rein.. but still everyone else in my group had been off lead rein for a while...

FRED
7th Mar 2006, 04:00 PM
quote:
what is ground work? Does this refer to training your horse?

:) yes thats it, magic.

Skib, my 1st gallop was on a Pub ride:o :D and still I hadn't cantered in a school. I had done some bareback at a quiet walk and trotting without stirrups,but that was advanced enough for school work.Would love to jump,but the guys at work asked that I don't do that till I retire{commitments etc}