One lesson good, two lessons better!

[Paul C]

Hi all,

Just though I'd drop in an update on my first week with 2 private lessons (and a much emptier wallet). The horse for both is called Blue, a cobby type grey I ride at most of my lessons (he was clipped a couple of weeks ago and is now almost pure white and sooo soft), he's about 15hh I guess. Blue is quite unlucky really as he tends to get the brunt of the older beginners, like me. He can be very wilful to put it mildly but is very comfy to ride.

Tuesday: I was rubbish and Blue was very sullen :(. I'd not ridden the previous week so what I had learned so far had gone rusty, which made it all the more difficult to give Blue any clear instructions. We had half the huge new indoor school but didn't get much done until the last 15 minutes as Blue just did his own thing most of the time. One slight improvement: I noticed my feet weren't bouncing around in the stirrups quite as much as before - a good sign I hope!
Jodie, my instructor, said that I was being too nice to him and needed to be more assertive with him at the beginning of the lesson. Thursday would tell......

Thursday: What a difference! For starters I had the whole floodlit International Arena all to myself! Jodie gave me a crop (showing it to Blue first) to tap his shoulder with if I needed help getting his attention, but I was prepared to be more assertive for when he tried his little games! I used my legs a lot more to guide him than I had before, to keep him in the track and keep him going around corners, where he usually likes to slow down. We soon built up a very nice walk, and then into sitting trot. I couldn't belive the difference - there was much more spring in his step all round, but then I had a real revelation: I suddenly 'got' the stuff I'd read about absorbing some of the bounce from sitting trot though my hips and spine. It was amazing - a real 'moment' :D I've still a very long way to go but it really started to work! My sitting trot was going better too :D Then we got rid of the stirrups and did some leg stretching which showed that I'm crooked! My right hip was collapsing a bit. We sorted that out and then did more riding without stirrups - walk (again I used my legs quite a bit to keep him 'tuned in' and got a lovely springy walk that I could almost salsa to on the saddle :D) and then trotting - we did whole laps of the arena with Blue really keen and me really happy and feeling pretty well balanced. Then we went a bit further - walking first, then trotting, but without stirrups and WITH MY EYES SHUT. Woweee that was so cool and only a little scary, but I peeped a couple of times to make sure I wasn't about to run into the fence:rolleyes: .
To round off the lesson I got back in the stirrups, which seemed about a foot shorter than before, and did some more rising trot and a lot of walk/trot transitions. I could not believe how good Blue was being - after a few he was changing just on voice! I'm so proud of him:D Have we finally started to understand each other?
He got loads of praise of course!

So basically a superb lesson, and I've seen a side of Blue I've never even glimpsed before. I really hope it's not a one-off.

I can't wait until next week's lessons. Ain't horses the best? I'm still grinning like an idiot :D

Sorry for rambling:rolleyes:

Paul

[Elfin]

That sounds absolutley brilliant, well done you! You sound like you feel better in yourself aswell for riding better than Tuesday (does that make sense????)
Blue sounds like a mare rather than a gelding, you know cause mares are tempremental, but he sounds like a fab boy, he's quite small isn't he?? I have never ridden a horse that small, I should like to cause I always ride the bigguns. It's nice and all but the small ones are good too!! (sorry waffling a bit about nothing in paticular!)
Glad you had such a brill time!
Byeeeeeeeeeeee.

[Dice]

Originally posted by Paul C
Hi all,

Jodie, my instructor, said that I was being too nice to him and needed to be more assertive with him at the beginning of the lesson.

....but I was prepared to be more assertive for when he tried his little games! I used my legs a lot more to guide him than I had before, to keep him in the track and keep him going around corners, where he usually likes to slow down. We soon built up a very nice walk, and then into sitting trot. I couldn't belive the difference
Paul

I've (unsuprisingly) got the same problem and have been told to be more assertive (especially with regard as to the length of the reigns) - I just didn't want to be overly aggresive with her (Medi). When I my instructor finally got me to be more assertive the responce was dramatic and suprising - Medi was no longer unresponsive as she had been before.

I too have noticed a quick and steady increase in my abilities and confidence since I first started those three weeks (and lessons) ago. Obviously I still have some 'Information Overload' (TM), but it's finally beginning to click even if I miss a cog or two now and again. :)

I'm not exactly sure if I'll be having my lesson next week - I recieved my hours for work next week and this clashes with the time for my lesson. I tried today to get through to get my lesson rearranged for an earlier time (I usually work afternoon and early evening) but I couldn't get through and it's getting close to Monday already. The week after that however, I'm certain that I won't have time for lessons for over a month as the shop where I work starts it's late hours for Chrsitmas :( - still the money for my lessons has to come from somewhere.

[Maci]

Good job on your lessons! I love to read about the good lessons people here, have! It just gets me all excited, because I know how it feels to be "pumped"! :p

Maci :)

[Yann]

It seems you can't do much without a bit of attitude, especially with canny school horses. It's a rare horse that will do whatever you ask (there is one where I ride), the majority do need a bit of cajoling to get the best out of them. It goes against the grain when you're a learner and you love 'em too, and I'm short of attitude at the best of times.
It doesn't mean you have to be harsh or cruel, just firm, and give lots of praise when they respond.

I've had a big problem with the rein contact, I'm always being told to shorten up, but having done so I suddenly found I had previously unheard of levels of control and had a better chance of going where I wanted.

I've had some terrific and memorable lessons lately, unfortunately my regular instructor has just left, so I don't know what will happen now:(

Keep up the good work Paul, and don't worry about the cost - from what I've seen owning your own horse is far far more expensive:)

[Paul C]

It's really good to be able to report back here to people who understand what it means and can empathise - there's only 2 people I know who ride who I can talk 'at' when I've had a good (or bad) lesson; the guys I work with are interested but glaze over when it starts to get technical:rolleyes:

Elfin: He may not be hugely tall but he is w-i-d-e! I'm certainly not 'underhorsed' on him. Yes, Thursday was great; maybe it seemed even better because Tuesday wasn't??
Dice: I'm in the envious position of being able (mostly) to set my own hours, as long as I get the work done. This allows me to book 4:30 lessons. I don't know how/if I'd be able to cope with no lessons for over a month. You have my sincere sympathies. I hope you manage to squeeze some lessons in there somewhere.
Maci: Thanks - it's great if my small successes help put a smile on other people's faces as well:D Sharing really helps! (Is this one of those 'group hug' moments??:rolleyes: )
Yann: Wise words! I hope I can keep the momentum going next week. Sorry to hear about your instructor - I hope you find another one. My instructor Jodie is off for the next 2 weeks but I'm hoping I've got far enough to be able to use other instructors' input without too much confusion.
I'm reasonable happy to pay the cost at the moment if I get a whole Olympic-sized arena (and great instructor) to myself!

[Maci]

ALRIGHT NEW RIDER, :)GROUP HUG:) (with Paul right in the middle, but of course!). ;)

Maci :)

[Katie_85]

*Bursts into song again * I'd like to teach the world to sing,in perfect harmony... :o Sorry. Great news about your lesson Paul. It's days like those that make even the bad ones seem worthwile. I just finished watching a video of my riding. One Saddleseat and the other Western. Laughed all the way through too!:D :)

[Elfin]

Wow katy85 I would love to have someone video my riding lesson! It would be a lot easier to see what I was doing wrong then!
PaulC Blue sounds like a nice chap!!I'd like to ride him!!when are you going riding agian?? Love to hear how your next lesson goes, anywho! Bye for now! :p

[Dice]

Originally posted by Paul C
Dice: I'm in the envious position of being able (mostly) to set my own hours, as long as I get the work done. This allows me to book 4:30 lessons. I don't know how/if I'd be able to cope with no lessons for over a month. You have my sincere sympathies. I hope you manage to squeeze some lessons in there somewhere.
[/B]

Thanks. I've rearranged my lesson to an earlier time - but it is still too close for comfort with regards to my start at work. I'll end up changing in the car and eating my lunch, a sandwich 'on the move'. I still won't know until the middle of this week as to how bad my hours will likly be for the next month or so - it might not be as bad as I'm dreading, but then it could be worse!! :eek:

You book your lessons for 16.30! - guess that means you get a lot of the after school kids when you have your lesson then? That's one thing about having them in the morning! :D

[KathyT]

What Dice and Paul C said about the horse sometimes taking advantage struck a note with me to! The pony I have been riding recenty (Smallie) who as the name suggests it, well, small at about 14.2. She normally has children riding her and does not have very much respect for them. The other week we were having a jumping lesson (very small jumps and I was terrified!). Well we started with two poles then a small jump at the end. She was doing her "down trodden pony" act, which she certainly is not! My instructer told me that she was taking the mick and that she was beginind to think that "you are the soft women who gives her polo's". I was told to give her three firm slaps with my crop after the jump. Well she gave three pretty big bucks but then settled into the rest of the lesson. At the end she was getting her polos :rolleyes: when she put her face in mine and started blowing at my face?! She then rested her nose on my shoulder and started trying to nibble my ear?! I asked my instructor what she was doing and she seemed surprised but told me that this was Smallies version of a cuddle AGH! So I suppose respect does go with friendship.

Great to here Paul C that you have had such a magical moment, I hope you will have many more.

[Dice]

Originally posted by KathyT
My instructer told me that she was taking the mick ]

When I first heard that from my instructor, I honestly didn't believe it - just thought the horse was 'well used' and hence the reason for the lack of responce. It just goes to show how little I know about horses :rolleyes: , still you only really learn the one way and that's by trying. :)

[Paul C]

Originally posted by Dice
guess that means you get a lot of the after school kids when you have your lesson then?
Err...there are one or two (during half term there were thousands:rolleyes: ) but as long as I've got some space to ride I'm not too fussed who's watching me, even when I'm making an idiot of myself!

Paul
PS Kathy: are you coming to the Southern Central NR meeting? The more the merrier:)

[TBgrl]

dear paul

:)

Sounds like some of my wonderful moments. I haven't been able to ride much the last month, but have been learning about horsemanship alot and just passed a milestone. Have always been a bit scared of horses, their size etc.. but when I get to know them and establish a relationship it gets better.
Anyways the horses owner wants me to excersise the ponies and the paint. Well I caught him walked to the club (round pen)
free schooled him re-blanketed him and took him back to his paddock all by myself. Then I caught the new tb "moke" tied him took his blanket off and groomed him, re-blanketed him and turned him loose. Man was I enthused, and on cloud nine. I love those horses I wish they were mine.

I love the feeling of accomplishment. Revel in your success Paul C
we're all with you.!!:D

[Doughc]

Originally posted by Paul C
Hi all,

Just though I'd drop in an update on my first week with 2 private lessons (and a much emptier wallet). The horse for both is called Blue, a cobby type grey I ride at most of my lessons (he was clipped a couple of weeks ago and is now almost pure white and sooo soft), he's about 15hh I guess. Blue is quite unlucky really as he tends to get the brunt of the older beginners, like me. He can be very wilful to put it mildly but is very comfy to ride.

Tuesday: I was rubbish and Blue was very sullen :(. I'd not ridden the previous week so what I had learned so far had gone rusty, which made it all the more difficult to give Blue any clear instructions. We had half the huge new indoor school but didn't get much done until the last 15 minutes as Blue just did his own thing most of the time. One slight improvement: I noticed my feet weren't bouncing around in the stirrups quite as much as before - a good sign I hope!
Jodie, my instructor, said that I was being too nice to him and needed to be more assertive with him at the beginning of the lesson. Thursday would tell......

Thursday: What a difference! For starters I had the whole floodlit International Arena all to myself! Jodie gave me a crop (showing it to Blue first) to tap his shoulder with if I needed help getting his attention, but I was prepared to be more assertive for when he tried his little games! I used my legs a lot more to guide him than I had before, to keep him in the track and keep him going around corners, where he usually likes to slow down. We soon built up a very nice walk, and then into sitting trot. I couldn't belive the difference - there was much more spring in his step all round, but then I had a real revelation: I suddenly 'got' the stuff I'd read about absorbing some of the bounce from sitting trot though my hips and spine. It was amazing - a real 'moment' :D I've still a very long way to go but it really started to work! My sitting trot was going better too :D Then we got rid of the stirrups and did some leg stretching which showed that I'm crooked! My right hip was collapsing a bit. We sorted that out and then did more riding without stirrups - walk (again I used my legs quite a bit to keep him 'tuned in' and got a lovely springy walk that I could almost salsa to on the saddle :D) and then trotting - we did whole laps of the arena with Blue really keen and me really happy and feeling pretty well balanced. Then we went a bit further - walking first, then trotting, but without stirrups and WITH MY EYES SHUT. Woweee that was so cool and only a little scary, but I peeped a couple of times to make sure I wasn't about to run into the fence:rolleyes: .
To round off the lesson I got back in the stirrups, which seemed about a foot shorter than before, and did some more rising trot and a lot of walk/trot transitions. I could not believe how good Blue was being - after a few he was changing just on voice! I'm so proud of him:D Have we finally started to understand each other?
He got loads of praise of course!

So basically a superb lesson, and I've seen a side of Blue I've never even glimpsed before. I really hope it's not a one-off.

I can't wait until next week's lessons. Ain't horses the best? I'm still grinning like an idiot :D

Sorry for rambling:rolleyes:

Paul

[Doughc]

Hi
It was good to read your msg re last two lessons.
Im about to book my first, looked into school @weekend and saw all the 5 > 7 year olds galloping around on their ponies and did wonder how I would be feeling when I got up on the horse that has been selected for me,, he's 16.2 > 16.3 im 6'3'' trying to work out how far above the ground my head will be.
Still looking forward mainly with interest & slight trepidation.:(

[snuggly_elf]

Doughc- good luck for your lesson. Don't worry about how big the horse is, by the time you get on and are worring about doing everything your instructor tells you to do, you won't notice how high off the ground you are!

Paul- glad to hear you had a good lesson. I know what you mean when you say you had a 'moment' I can clearly remember when I got sitting trot. And the time I got praise from a riding instructor who rarley gives praise. She dosn't critasise the whole time. She just rarely says 'that was very good' without having a but on the end! (I was praised for my transition from trot to canter)

I'm at the moment debating on whether I'm going to have to cancel my lesson on tip top on friday morning or not. It's £18 and seeing as it's the xmas season I don't know if I can spend that much. (It would buy a couple more pressies you know!)
Still I see. I might have to cos I'll get withdrawl symptoms if I don't. Not sure that I'm ready to go cold turkey on the riding yet!

Snugs:D

[Kathrin]

Snuggly - being an internet whizz you should be able to SAVE £18 easily by shopping judiciously meaning that no-one is deprived of pressies and you get a lesson!


How did the job interview go?

[KathyT]

PaulC
I will try to make the meeting if possible. I am in Woking so it is a bit of a way, but I will do my best as I would love to meet you all!

[snuggly_elf]

Kathrin- which job interview? I didn't get the secratarie job. Mum doesn't want me to take the job in safeway, she says I'm over qualified for it (which I am- but I need money!) I think I've got work on thursday and friday afternoon from the agency I'm with. So I'm going to go riding. Why should I deprive myself of the one pleasure I get once a fortnight?!
I'm looking forward to getting on tip top again. Hopefully I'll be able to manage to sit to his canter a little better this time! And maybe, just maybe I'll remember to push my hands up his neck as we jump!
Snugs:D

[Elfin]

Have a nice time wont you? and let us all know how you get on! I have to wait until Thursday now, cause the weather was too bad to ride tonight!
Anyhoo, bye bye!
xxxxxx

[Debutante]

Congratulations Paul! :D

It was SO encouraging to read all about your wonderful lesson on Thursday. (ItÕs also somehow reassuring to also know that IÕm not the ONLY one who has discouraging lessons from time to time.) Very interesting indeed that you felt you werenÕt making much progress until the last 15 minutes of the lesson. That happens to me just about every week! I always wish I had at least another hour, because IÕm just getting the hang of it and really relaxing. This week I got to ride three times, so that helped a lot. My sitting trot is still absolutely abhorrent, and IÕve got the bruises to prove it, even though I canÕt display them proudly in public like some sort of war wound. :eek:
I loved your analogy of a springy walk resembling salsa, since IÕm a Latin dancer Ð problem is, my riding skills are more along the lines of a violent samba. :p Ouch.
Good to hear that you and Blue have come to some sort of agreement about the degree of assertiveness required on your part. With some of the horses IÕve ridden, they have fooled around at first to see how much I was willing to let them away withÉ (like kids?) Eventually we'd negotiate a suitable compromise Ð or the horse decided to humour me, whichever.
My great ÔvictoryÕ this week was not freaking out when my horse took off on an unscheduled canter. This time at least I knew what was happening and just decided to go with it (like I had a choice Ðha ha). Anyway, eventually I got him to return to a fast trot with me still intact and my heart rate and B.P. elevated to only a mildly dangerous level.
About your friends at work who politely listen to your horsey adventures but then glaze over when it gets technical. I can relate to that. Most of my coworkers are very supportive but one guy REFUSES to believe that riding requires ANY degree of physical fitness or skill! As he so boorishly puts it: Òhow hard can it be to just sit on a horse?!Ó Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr!!!! Makes me want to beat him senseless with my crop. Now THATÕD be Enlightened Equitation! (Just kidding, all you pacifists.)
Sorry about my long, rambling message. Keep up the GREAT work and first-rate attitude Paul. IÕll try to do the same.

Cheers,
Deb
;)

[muzzy]

Like Deb I am so glad to hear that others sometimes feel that they have achieved until the last few minutes of the lesson! It can be so annoying though especially as sometimes I seem to take 1 step fowards and about 10 backwards!!:( Especially if riding a new or different horse than usual! I usually spent the lesson battling to do what I want to do, rather than what they feel like doing, which is usually either a very slow walk or a very fast canter.
If my horse does go of on one and canter, I find it quite hard to slow them down. My instructor says that this is because I donn'e absorb the movement enough with my back but has anyone got any sugguestions?? I would be really grateful!!:D
I would like to thank Paul for sharing his experiences!! I have really enjoyed hearing about how u got on! thanx!Hope the next lesson goes aswell as the last one!
muzzy :D

[Dice]

Originally posted by Debutante
Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr!!!! Makes me want to beat him senseless with my crop. Now THATÕD be Enlightened Equitation! (Just kidding, all you pacifists.)


By all means, don't stop for me! ;) :D

[Dice]

Originally posted by Elfin
Have a nice time wont you? and let us all know how you get on! I have to wait until Thursday now, cause the weather was too bad to ride tonight!
Anyhoo, bye bye!
xxxxxx

Anyone got any sun glasses?! :D

[Elfin]

HA!! Thanks Dice! I was only trying out the colours! I wont bother in future!!! :D Nah, only joking my dear! Just brightening up the message board!!

[Paul C]

Hi there,

Thanks for all your kind words of encouragement - it's so good to be able to share these things with you (and vice-versa). It's a huge source of motivation to me. You're great people.

Anyway, on to Tuesday:
Blue is not very well - he's got a bit of a back problem so he's being rested. Poor thing. I went to see him and spent a little while just being nice to him. I feel a bit guilty as it's novices like me bouncing around who are responsible for it. I'll keep an eye on his progress.
The lesson was ok, nothing as spectacular as last Thurs. In Blue's place I had Sage who's a well-mannered, pretty skewbald cobby thing with huge feet and is so w-i-d-e he should carry a warning sign! I also had a different instructor - Mandy - and she picked up on some things Jodie hadn't. (I think I can handle different inputs now without getting too confused - less information overload:p ). She said my hands were coming up in trot, and that would encourage me to use the reins to help me balance. So she made it her personal goal in life to rid me of that one. We spent nearly the whole half-hour doing rising trot, with me getting told off every time my hands crept back up. It worked; and my balance got much better and I was even able to use leg aids a little during rising. That's a first. Anyway, having my legs spread so far and rising so much was so strenuous I was absolutely knackered at the end, more like unleavened trot (sorry :o ) My legs were wobbly even as I dismounted so I knew there was some suffering coming my way.:( Mandy said she was impressed with what I've achieved so far for a complete beginner:) , and told me the rising trot improvement, especially with balance, will really help when I start transitioning up to & down from canter. That got me all excited - I might be getting third gear very soon!
One hot bath and a large malt was required when I got home :D

Thursday:
Well after Tuesday's efforts my legs & hips were still a long way from fine, and as an added 'bonus' I'd picked up a slight thigh strain during football on Wednesday. D'oh! I'd also booked another instructor, Caroline, who I thought was even better than Mandy. I had another different horse as well called Douglas. He's a dark bay, about 16.2 with a white star. One very handsome horse, and not even a bit cobby so I knew my legs and hips weren't in for such a tough time!
(As an aside, my friend Alex has ridden him a couple of times so I've said hi to him before and seen him in action. She's had him doing walk to canter transitions and back, and leg-yielding as well so I knew I had a real pro on my hands.)
The first thing I learnt from Douglas is what 'responsive' means. I could not believe it. All I had to do was squeeze with my lower legs, just like Heather says, and that was it. Once for a slow walk, twice for a very lively walk and one more for trot. All it needed to slow him was a longer leg squeeze and a single squeeze & release on the reins. He made it so easy for me!

Anyway, after I'd told Caroline that my legs & hips were stiff she got me doing loads of stretches while in the saddle (at halt then walking), including touching my toes and Douggie's ears (I thought I was going to fall straight over his neck!), & doing big bicycle pedals without touching the saddle etc. I also had to stand in the stirrups while she led - no reins and no hands on the pommel (I couldn't hold that for more than a few strides at a time). I was certainly sweating some after all that hard work I can tell you! We finished off in the final 10 minutes doing some walk/trot & back transitions and I think I did the best rising trot I've ever managed. It felt much smoother, even on such a bouncy horse, I felt much more balanced and I managed to turn him a couple of times with my leg aids while trotting. :cool: It all fell apart at the end though as my hips just couldn't take any more. :(
He was in a group lesson after that but I had 5 minutes with him before that to give him his cuddle and got a bit of nuzzling back in return. ahhh! :rolleyes: I wanted to take him home with me :D
I'll ask if I can have him for more lessons, and if being given him means I've been 'promoted'. I definitely want him when I go for my first canter.
Had another drive home with a silly ear-to-ear grin. Fantastic!

Paul

[muzzy]

Congratulations!! Your reports of the lessons sound like you've improved a lot!!:D I hate the really horrible pulled muscle feeling when you have been riding a wide horse!:(It feels like you are never going to cross your legs again!But believe me it does get better the more you ride wide horses!!!
I hope Blue is better for your next lesson, but it sounds like you enjoyed having a change of mount, and on the postitive side it improves your riding learning about different horses and what makes them tick, so to speak! Douglas sounds lovely too, I'll look foward to hearing about your first canter!! ;)
lol, muzzy :D

[Elfin]

Well what can I say Paul C????? Except for well done! I am clapping for you at home (clap, clap, clap well you get the idea!) Sounds like you had a good time of it with the horses and the instructors, obviously not like that, but you know what I mean!
Have a good weekend, bye bye!!
xxx

[Dice]

Originally posted by muzzy
It feels like you are never going to cross your legs again!


In my lesson last Monday, I spent virtually the whole half an hour doing Sitting and Rising trot in all sorts of funny shapes around the arena (especially for the first time '10m circles' - still seems to tight for any sort of speed!!). I then went on to do some more trots in my following half hour hack. Suffice to say, that coupled with the size of 'Medi', made the drive to work something unbelievably uncomfortable and almost unnatural! :eek:

Keep us up todate with regards to your instructor situation, as I've mentioned before (in another thread) one of my biggest fears is having to many different instructors (too many Chefs.... ). The opposite of what I thought would happen seems to be happening to you.

Elfin - 'What's the sound of one hand clapping?' :cool:

[Elfin]

It's sort of like this: CLAP CLAP CLAP CLAP CLAP CLAP! Can you get that, it's a kind of um er, well try it now, if your on your own, go for it!:D

[snuggly_elf]

congrats paul- sounds like you had a great couple of lessons. Isn't it great when you get a responsive well school horse to ride rather than the grumpy, unreasnable, stuck-in-there-ways beginners mounts! But don't put those ones asside, they'll help you be able to ride anything!
I know what you mean about wide horses. Bobby who is an irish draught x shire is a lovely horse to ride, the best dressage one we have at the stables (he even gallops in an outline!) but try riding him bare back and you practically have to do the splits!

[Elfin]

you practically have to do the splits!
Sounds painfull!:D

[Dice]

Originally posted by Dice


Elfin - 'What's the sound of one hand clapping?' :cool:

Elfin - It's supposed to be an ancient Proverb for which there is no answer as you're not supposed to be able to clap with just one hand (although Bart Simpson proved otherwise! :D ). Another example is What sound does a tree make when it crashes to the ground when there is no one around to hear it?

[Doughc]

This is getting deep !!;)

perhaps the sound of a one handed clap is an "ap" if its right ?

:cool:

[Elfin]

What sound does a tree make when it crashes to the ground when there is no one around to hear it?

Ok, ok, Dice. I get the message!

[Dice]

Originally posted by Elfin


Ok, ok, Dice. I get the message!

this would be an appropiate time to give you another - just that those are the only two I know, courtesey of Lisa Simpsons! :o :)

[Elfin]

Originally posted by Dice


this would be an appropiate time to give you another - just that those are the only two I know, courtesey of Lisa Simpsons! :o :)

HA! I had to read that a fair few times for it to sink in! I just couldn't remember what had been said!!:rolleyes: