Successional pics to help analyze the problem [Archive]

Tootsie4U

21st Jul 2006, 05:46 PM

Background onthe problem can be found here : http://www.newrider.com/forum/showthread.php?t=85760&highlight=tootsie

Warming up - nice and relaxed
http://i68.photobucket.com/albums/i25/Tootsie4U/July2006_20060715_0023.jpg

Here you can see one of my biggest flaws. I raise and move my leg when asking for more energy.
http://i68.photobucket.com/albums/i25/Tootsie4U/July2006_20060715_0049.jpg

And from here on out things start to fall apart. The pictures tell the story.
http://i68.photobucket.com/albums/i25/Tootsie4U/July2006_20060715_0050.jpg
http://i68.photobucket.com/albums/i25/Tootsie4U/July2006_20060715_0059.jpg
http://i68.photobucket.com/albums/i25/Tootsie4U/July2006_20060715_0064.jpg
(He starts to dive right -really motorbiking! Maybe not at this instant in the photo, but I am really trying to think about my inside shoulder and weighting outside leg)

...and then things get really ugly.
http://i68.photobucket.com/albums/i25/Tootsie4U/July2006_20060715_0063.jpg

Its a good thing Im a humble person because these photos are really incriminating and truly dont show any highlights of my ridden career :o

I think I may see something but what do you all think?

LMS

21st Jul 2006, 06:51 PM

First I'll pick on you:D Nice & sitting tall but a bit on the crotch & the leg is too far back. Is this a regular position for you? Or were you trying too hard to get him going? If the leg is too far back, it will affect his balance & compound his own issues. That's all that's really noticable. Other than: cool t-shirt! (I saw some over here like yours a while back, think I'm going to pick one up)

Now for your lovely horse:
He does seem very tense. Is there someting going on with his shoulder or a vertebrae or hock?

Has he been seen by a specialist to assess his skeletal frame? (Can't think of a better word) Someone like a chiro, physio, masseuse, reiki...

The diving sounds like he can't support himself, so he needs to get out of it quick. When you're stiff & a joint hurts, balance is compromised.

Have you tried him on the lunge to see how he goes? Have you tried massage & limbering exercises/stretches done on the ground?

These are just thoughts. I had a QH that was retired from barrel racing when we bought him. They used to run him hard until he could no longer perform. He was so stiff & would rush & duck.

I spent many in hand sessions massaging & TTEAM stretches & excercises as well as lungeing. He eventually progressed but also by the age of 24 his hoscks were degenerating, DMSO helped along with full retirement from riding & lungeing. I continued to do the TTEAM work.

We had a good 14yrs together though.

KateWooten

21st Jul 2006, 07:43 PM

Wow - those pics are great - they tell a great story - good job for posting (very brave - I'm sure no-body's going to lay into you for it :) )

I wish I could have got some pics of joePony over the last few weeks - they'd tell the same story - I'll see if he will do it again this weekend for me but I think he might be cured now. joe's story was that his saddle had caused him pain in the past, so now every time I ask for canter, suppose I'm on bend to the left asking for canter, then he throws his head hard right(outside), his nose is in the sky, and he disappears out the left shoulder (inside) galloping hard and needless to say I'm all over the place, he's saying it's gonna hurt, and I'm flumping about on his back and he's darn right it does hurt !

I can see similar things happening here .... a downward spiral starting with his tension and resistance, so you have no chance of being relaxed and able to follow his movement at all ... so he tenses up even more ... See that last pic - that's EXACTLY how joe was feeling to me - of course I was on his back and couldn't see it but there's no dobt about it - same tense expression, same head thrown high, same tight back ... same rushing off to the inside

For me the solution was to stop ! Avoid the issue altogether. I know - sounds like such a cop-out. Thing is, you're in a similar position - you can't be entirely sure he's fixed and no longer in pain - or is he still in a bit of pain ? or is he thinking it's going to hurt and so he's tensing up and then it is causing pain ?

Who knows ? For me, the solution was to go back to lower, slower, quieter work for far far longer than you could possibly believe it would take. I knew he had a problem with canter, so we went and stuck just to walk for 3 weeks before even trotting again. I wanted to make absolutley sure that not only the original pain was gone, but also that I built up the required muscles up and yup and up - by riding him actively - like you are doing at a walk up there - so that by the time we trotted that he was actually desperate to trot and had more than enough of the right muscles to do it well. Then we stayed at trot another couple of weeks, but really working hard at walk still - I mean literally working up a huge sweat in walk - before beginning to think about our own particular bug-bear - the canter.

I might be completely off-base here, but it looks to me like you have absolutely no problem at all as a rider, you're far and away good enough - I just don't think it's realistically possible to follow the movement when this tension cycle starts.

ETA - you see your expression in the big pic... the fifth one ... yep - that's what I look like when I'm working hard and it's not getting any better too :D

Tootsie4U

22nd Jul 2006, 01:09 AM

Thanks to all the ideas!

My riding position has been better. Im struggling to get it back after a long break from riding. I tend to have my legs too far forward and think I may be over compensating for it now, since I know I have position issues.

What I was actually thinking was that in these photos and some that I didnt post (there are 67 in all) I am really braced forward and noticably dropping my inside shoulder and hip even while we travel straight. This of course is going to throw him OTF and that coupled with me dropping my inside makes him drop his as well. But, that doesnt explain why he does it to the right if we're going left. Does it?

The saddle could very well be a big issue. It hasnt been fitted this year and I have it done every year without fail. Since I dont ride regularly (read hardly at all) I just didnt prioritize it. I know a little bit about saddle fit and I personally dont see anything obviously wrong. He's very barrel shaped and its an extra wide tree. Its flocked to his back - albeit a more muscled back from last year. Its balanced well and has no protruding nails or screws. Its worth investigating.

But the big part of this equation is that this has happened before, very early on in his training. It was an evasive behavior to work (you have to know my horse to understand). It also happens very regularly in canter but that is 100% rider error and once I lift my inside and weight my outside, he fixes himself in response. Thats not workign this time and its also happening in trot.

Im just not sure whats going on here. I think I'll give him two weeks off and then try again. I'll probably request an appointment with my saddler too while we wait.

BTW LMS, There are about a dozen pics of us lunging just prior to these ridden photos. Nothing shows up there except obvoius breaks in concentration (where his head goes up). There may be an ever so slight limp but its so sublte I really cant say its a hock. So, that tells me this is either rider induced or saddle problem.

LMS

22nd Jul 2006, 01:46 AM

Hmmm you say that when lunging there is a very slight limp?
I wouldn't disregard this because... think about it: if you say a lot of it is rider error; put these 2 together & it exagerates what the horse feels.

I'll use myself as an example: when my hip hurts a little & I'm carrying my briefcase: it hurts more.

The same is probably happening to your horse. When you are on him, it makes it more apparent as there is more stress put on the affected area.

Just a thought

Mehitabel

22nd Jul 2006, 08:37 AM

1st pic - he does look relaxed, you look good, although hard to say much from that angle.

2nd - you've started to tip forward - your leg has moved back, yes, but what is more important is that your upper body has gone forward in response. your hands have turned over (it looks like) which brings your elbows out and youer shoulders forward. sitting here on the sofa i'm holding my arms in riding position, and putting my hands correctly with thumbs on top and then turning them over.my elbows come out, my shoulderblades come out fro mmy body and i want to go forward. so think thumbs on top, elbows by the side.

which leads on to pic 3 - your outside hand (nearest camera - i assume you were on a clockwise circle and photo was taken from the outside of it?) has gone forward, and your outside rein is drooping. this creates a space he can dive that outside shoulder into. he has tilted his head, his nose is pointing in and his ears and eyes are saying 'aha!'.

pic 4 - can't see much, but i'd want more contact on the reins - they're still bagging.

pic 5 - he is not balancing well here - you can see he is motorbiking round the corner. almost identical pic of petal - http://historicalfact.com/~es/pony%20pictures/dressage3.jpg and you can see she is more 'upright', and taking equal weight on the outside hind and inside fore - bon is all on that inside fore, look at how much more flexed that fetlock is than the outside hind. so think inside leg on (it's not touching him in that pic), slow, inside shoulder up and back, your weight on the outside.

pic 6 is the same thing. i would, at this stage, slow right down, regain corect bend, regain attention, and start again.
remember to always think of aids on the side he is runnign off to - so in pic 6, right leg on firmly and right hand to maintain the bend. control his shoulders - he has to go where they point, and here, that right shoulder is off and running.
keep everything slow and steady, work on his balance, work on getting him back off his forehand and give yourself time ot think, he he shoots off, stop and regroup, start again.

Tootsie4U

23rd Jul 2006, 04:18 PM

Mehitabel, you've met this horse and have followed our saga from day 1 - is there anything in this story now that makes you think pain? Or knowing what you know about Bon, would you say this is a typical evasion?

Mehitabel

23rd Jul 2006, 05:03 PM

i wouldn't necessarily say pain - i would probably go with 'i've had a while off, it's more difficult than it used to be, i've forgotten i used to quite enjoy it, so why on earth would i make life any easier for mum who isn't at the top of her game'.

i'd never discount pain over the internet - i'd have to watch in person, poke about a bit, all the usual. but it's not screaming 'this is a horse who is in pain' to me, as some threads with descriptions of evasions do. he is probably stiff from time off and not having to work properly for a while, which might account for the slight unlevelness on the lunge.

Tootsie4U

23rd Jul 2006, 09:52 PM

i'd have to watch in person, poke about a bit,

Uh huh.. although Im not discounting the saddle (it should be checked), I dont see any signs of pain when I poke around. The uneven walk I did notice on the lunge is extremely slight - so much that Im hesitant to even explain it away to unsoundness.

I just want to be sure before I pull up my sleeves and ride it out of him. It doesn't surprise me that he's just taking advantage - he's done it before. A smart one this is... very.

domane

23rd Jul 2006, 10:15 PM

Just a suggestion.... it may be pants... I'm not that knowledgeable but rather than trying to do circle work... why not do squares and put say 3 cones in an 'L' shape on the corners so you have to turn more sharply than being able to motorbike. The only reason I mention this is my lumbering cob tends to fall in and motorbike corners but one evening in the school someone had left just one cone in each corner and she really came up more upright and turned more precisely.... I was really surprised by her reaction.

l7oopys

24th Jul 2006, 07:53 AM

As my old RI used to say to me..... Your reins are liek washing lines!

I would suggest taking up More contact

Denbenj

24th Jul 2006, 08:05 AM

I would agree with needing more contact on the reins, you may find it will give the horse more security aswell as a more clear instruction.

I would defo try and sit up staighter and bring your legs underneath you more, I think in the last pic he aswell as evading you he looks really quite unsure of what exactly he is meant to be doing.. ( aswell as giving the cameraman '' evos'' !! :D )

Tootsie4U

24th Jul 2006, 02:18 PM

Thanks all. :)

For what its worth - the washing line reins were what I was aiming for. The horse likes to lean. I see though, that for now I may need to take them back to fix this problem first.

teabiscuit

24th Jul 2006, 03:05 PM

my horse leans if i don't watch it

i have to ride with my legs into a contact which is light and mobile to prevent the dastardly sneak from leaning, but he's good at catching me out and before i know it he's leaning!

lateral work helps keep me and him aware that he is not supposed to lean

HotchPotch

24th Jul 2006, 06:55 PM

I do not know your horse, or any of the previous situations, but after checking saddle and that there is no pain.
I would go back to basics and just work in walk for a week or so. The slower the pace, the slower you have to react and the more likely you are to notice the subtle signals that it is about to happen, and so you can prevent it from happening. It is a case of thinking ahead of him, knowing what he is going to do before he does. Also you may notice a trigger that sets him off and so you may find the cause for his new habit. If you can break the habit he will forget this party trick. Once he is soft and accepting in walk just ask for half circles of trot then back to walk and slowly build it up. It will take a long time but he knows better so will eventually return to the horse you know.
Doing lots of walk work will also allow you to become molre confident in your riding again and so feel more able to ride him through it.
Good luck, and he is a very nice horse.

chev

24th Jul 2006, 07:03 PM

Try riding from the inside leg into teh outside rein a little more. Give him a contact on that outside rein so he has somewhere to go when you push him on; it also means you can use that rein to check and balance him. He looks like he's running through teh outside rein and fallin right in because there is nowhere for him to work into. That, coupled with the fact that you are tipping forwards, moving your weight off your seatbones and in effect dropping your weight and his onto the forehand, makes evasion very easy for him.

The first picture is lovely. And it's going to be tough getting you both back into this, so don't be too hard on yourself either :) .

Tootsie4U

25th Jul 2006, 02:16 AM

Believe it or not, but I do know how to ride. :o I knew these photos were incriminating :p

Thanks for the tips and pointers. They really helped. A special thanks to Mehitabel for giving me the confidence to stop doubting myself.

With a little pep talk to remind myself to keep my inside up - outside rein supportive- and to *use* my weight aids - we accomplished LOVELY, controlled, slow ;) 20m circles tonight :)

He tried it on me within four strides after mounting - and then again about every 6 strides. After about five minutes of correcting him, he gave up and continued through the ride like the trained horse he can be.

Thanks to all for helping me through this one...

BTW Domane, that was a great suggestion!

Teasels_Mum

25th Jul 2006, 12:29 PM

This must be so frustrating for you :( Not many things worse than that gut feeling that all's not quite right and trying to pin down the cause! You mention in the previous post that you were not sure that maybe there was more damage to his hind legs. Now just a thought (and probably totally wrong) sparked off by your mention of a slight limp on the lunge. My horse had a bizarre array of behavioral issues end of last year - reluctant to go off the leg, very hollowed which got worse at faster paces, spinning and ducking.... we all thought it was just chestnut mare syndrome and tried all the harder to get her working properly. Then she stopped taking right lead canter. We put her on the lunge, and she was lame - only on the lunge and only when lunging in a circle to the right. It turned out she had a suspensory ligament injury to a fore leg - all fixed now after box rest and a period of controlled exercise, walking for 6 weeks gradually increasing length of time and then building in trot for a further 6 weeks and finally up to canter.
I'm probably miles off track, but if you are experiencing similar things (which it sounds like you are) it may well be worth investigating.
Hope it all gets sorted soon - I'm sure it will :)

teabiscuit

25th Jul 2006, 12:36 PM

Believe it or not, but I do know how to ride.

never doubted it for a second

he looks quite tricky

cvb

25th Jul 2006, 12:42 PM

Thanks all. :)

For what its worth - the washing line reins were what I was aiming for. The horse likes to lean. I see though, that for now I may need to take them back to fix this problem first.

Tootsie

some psychology for you... why is the solution to "he leans" to give him more rein ? Does that stop him leaning on the rein or does it just remove the rein from the situation ?

I *know* its never that simple. You may be aiming to help him develop self-carriage so he doesn't lean. But I also know you are a thoughtful and educated rider who will think that through and decide if you are achieving what you want or just avoiding the issue ?

I know I went through a phase of asking Fi for more and then rewarding when she gave it... by giving back everything she'd just given in my release :rolleyes:

I'm also curious how long this sequence went over ? I can't see you correcting once it starts to fall apart - we can see it clearly in the photos but did it feel like that as well ?

I had it pointed out to me - by two different instructors - that if I didn't want Fi to spook then she needed to be between hand and leg - all the time. And it makes a big difference. My temptation is to want to start on a long outline - but if she won't soften and relax in that outline then we have to start somewhere else and work back to that. Especially now she has been diagnosed with DJD in the hock. She needs to work properly and in balance so she doesn't over stress the joints by moving badly.

Tots N Dots

25th Jul 2006, 01:33 PM

Im probably not going to be much help, but I had a mare with a problem in her hocks, it took a while to diagnose as she was twisting her back and pelvis to keep the weight off her hocks, do you think he may have been doing this when he was poorly and now has a memory of the pain and does this dive when he thinks it may be about to hurt as he cant remove the weight from his hocks with a rider on board? just a thought but how he is leaning rather than bending reminded me very much of my mare and it sprung to mind?
good luck

Tootsie4U

25th Jul 2006, 02:16 PM

...decide if you are achieving what you want or just avoiding the issue ?

That is a good question and the answer is a little bit of both. First, he can't lean if he doesnt have anything to lean against - so yeah, the ultimate goal is to show him his ability to do self carriage. Second, I also have a very bad and very strong habit of being stagnant with my left hand. I tend to not give or flex and since thats required to show him he has done well (releases) it compounds his leaning. So in essense, I need help with my carriage as well. If I take away the crutch that we both lean on, then no one can lean and we're forced to fix ourselves.

What I realize now is that he isnt ready to do self carriage. While I still didnt use what you all might call the 'correct' amount of contact last night, he does need more than what I was giving him in these photos. He needs the guidance - as he clearly showed me last night. Truth be told, and thankfully he's a sensitive boy, but most of it was fixed using my weight aids.

This does make me wonder though - how western riders deal with this problem when their horses dive? Especially if they are neck reining.

cvb

25th Jul 2006, 02:25 PM

Tootsie

in theory you only teach a horse to neck rein at a certain level of training i.e. when they are already accepting the bit, balanced, straight etc.The neck reining is the "icing on the cake" ;) and hence this is going to be a "non-issue"

in practice of course I'm guessing it'll be like people riding horses in double bridles before they are fully established and ready for it - i.e. it happens.

You would hope the fix would be for them to go back to basics and fix their foundation.

You also commented on your own need to fix things - again, does taking away the "crutch" fix the problem ? In my case I know it doesn't tend to. I just developed something new :rolleyes: :o When i took up a contact again, I was moving my hands with my hips rather than keeping them as a pair :(

I think we can end up masking issues rather than fixing them - for all the right reasons, but we still have to come back and fix it sometime... ;)

Tootsie4U

25th Jul 2006, 03:13 PM

... but we still have to come back and fix it sometime... ;)

What if its not fixable - or maybe really really hard to fix. Something like physical limitations, etc. ?

For me, I think it does help. It shows in the horse - well it did before the long break. When he did know how to use himself and where to keep his parts, he was really bracing against that rein. My instructor had me try what you see above (oh, about two years ago now :( :rolleyes: ) and the result was amazing. I guess Im longfully hoping to have that feeling again but not giving us enough time to get there.

Anyway, the point is the little rascal was playing me. Mom wised up and had to show him again (for about the 1,000th time) that I *do* know what Im doing. Trixy little Einstein he is. Anybody want to buy a 15.1 bay Morgan? :D

cvb

25th Jul 2006, 03:23 PM

What if its not fixable - or maybe really really hard to fix. Something like physical limitations, etc. ?

you mean like being an ageing unfit weekend rider ? :p thats not something I can "fix" ;)

I guess what I was trying to say is - is what you are doig making any difference to the underlying root cause of the problem ?

because as you say, sometimes just Time makes a difference. There's that whole thing about the water in the river never being the same ? (because its flowing, like time does)

I guess Im longfully hoping to have that feeling again but not giving us enough time to get there.

mm - or maybe now he's a bit older you can ask a bit more ? (within his fitness level and yours !)

Anyway, the point is the little rascal was playing me. Mom wised up and had to show him again (for about the 1,000th time) that I *do* know what Im doing. Trixy little Einstein he is. Anybody want to buy a 15.1 bay Morgan? :D

I guess it comes back to what asked about the time sequence - did you feel the change when you were riding ? could you have corrected it sooner ?

it may sound like I am being a nag but remember I *know* how good a rider you are ;) so I'm not going to let you off easily :cool:

teabiscuit

25th Jul 2006, 03:24 PM

i'm having similar results with my tb but he's just learning, he's not been there before. i've started doing lots of little exercises when out hacking, it takes the pressure off me and him, he gets a bit overwhelmed with a full on schooling sesssion

i just quietly ask for a bit of bend here and there and a bit of lateral work here and there.

he can do a stunning turn on the forhand, he's very proud of himself and puts all his effort into it, he's very smart and trainable.
i just have to be quiet and patient i guess

the other one i mentioned is sneaky about leaning, but looking at the pictures again, he reminds me very much of my very sensitive tb rather than finn.

Tootsie4U

25th Jul 2006, 03:52 PM

I guess it comes back to what asked about the time sequence - did you feel the change when you were riding ? could you have corrected it sooner ?

Definately, the change was obvious but it was a direct result of what the rider was doing. Therefore, yes, it could have been corrected immediatley after the first time he tried diving. But since I didnt, he realized my weakness and played on it.

Besides my physical handicaps, that is my biggest nemesis with riding. Im self taught in so many things (both undersaddle and on the ground) that I dont trust my lack of formal education. I dont trust my instincts. Then things like this happen, where I let the timing slip away because Im unsure. I am very thankful for the advice I get here from helpful people like you.

Teabiscuit: Bonfire is an odd horse. His upbringing caused him to grow a thick skin to people so while he's very sensitive in one aspect, he's very numb in others. If you look back through the threads here, you will see that we've had alot of issues with boarding establishments because of this - the average horse person doesn't understand him and thats why he continues to have so many problems.

Herbie's mummy

25th Jul 2006, 03:55 PM

teabiscuit

25th Jul 2006, 03:57 PM

does he switch off if you aren't sensitive? is that what you're saying?

my t.b. does, that's his way of coping if i forget, and why i try hard not to overwhelm him.

i can push finn through such evasions, but with my tb would just be counter productive, I enjoy the challenge as he's so keen to please, but he thinks too much.

Tootsie4U

25th Jul 2006, 04:06 PM

He's more like your typical arab. He tends to get frazzled if Im not being sensitive. :D

teabiscuit

25th Jul 2006, 04:10 PM

yes that sounds familiar

just have to be so careful, he constantly surprises me with the things he does in response to my riding

his body must be so finely tuned into what i'm doing it's a bit of a responsibility

what do you do with him, do you have a set schooling session? do you school a bit when hacking out?

my schooling session lasts about 10 mins at the moment, then bits and bobs out hacking

Mehitabel

25th Jul 2006, 05:56 PM

Anybody want to buy a 15.1 bay Morgan? :D

ME ME MEMEMEMEMEMEMEME!

i'll give you... looks round... checks wallet... 48p and a non-winning raffle ticket.

(and when i am back in london or have a free evening i'll pm you some of my incriminating pics! thoroughly unfair it's all one way. :D )

cvb

25th Jul 2006, 09:48 PM

wwoohhh your reins are like washing lines LOL, legs toooo far back, the last pic you are sitting way toooooo far forwards, the horse in leaing in!!!
i think you should go back to basics with you and the horse....how old is the horse?

Herbie's mummy - the interesting thing, for me, is that this is like the chicken and egg question. Which came first - the "dive" from the horse or the rider's position ? Tootsie is taking the responsibility but I'm not sure its quite that simple. Bon is a canny chap - sometimes a little *too* canny. And his rider is his devoted mom.

My take would be that the basics are fine - so going back to them is not going to help this. Its when they try and do more.... Tootsie worries she is asking too much and perhaps could actually ask more ;) and then Tootsie worries her riding is the fault - when Bon may not be being the easiest ride for her...

give yourself a break lass ! You've pretty much critiqued this yourself without a step wrong. But there's a lot of nice stuff in there too - don't forget that :)

Do me a favour - find yourself at least FIVE things you like about yourself and Bon before you go any further at all. Its important you *keep* all that while you do something about the things we already talked about ;)

KateWooten

26th Jul 2006, 01:19 PM

I agree - I don't think it's the rider at all ! I'm just not convinced that if only we all rode perfectly, our horses woud go perfectly - sometimes we have to ride less than elegantly in order to get our point across to the horse. (well, I know I can't manage to coordinate battling with a pushy mare round a circle, while making it look effortless) ... I think the horse is tensing, garrbing the bit and diving. The reason I was saying about me having to step down and go back a little ways with my horse when he was doing this ... is because I absolutely had to eliminate any possible pain left over from when his saddle had hurt him. I had to - else how would I know i could really push him through it. Now, Tootsie4U has made sure there's no more pain etc left .. I guess I still think it's a good idea to tackle a problem at a faster gait, by going and really working hard - busting a gut - in a slower gait. It's just easier to build the right muscles and the right habits that way.

cvb

26th Jul 2006, 01:24 PM

what's the saying its not about doing the right thing, its about doing things right

:D

Tootsie4U

27th Jul 2006, 01:31 AM

give yourself a break lass ! Do me a favour - find yourself at least FIVE things you like about yourself and Bon before you go any further at all. Its important you *keep* all that while you do something about the things we already talked about ;)

Yes, mum! :D

It *is* a chicken and the egg thing isnt it. Either way, its a good example of how rider and horse can feed off each other until things really go pear shaped - or even vice versa - things go really really well (like they did for me the latest schooling session). The difference between the two : I trusted my instinct that Mr. Bonfire was playing a trick, and rode accordingly. Mind and body ;)

Herbie's mummy

27th Jul 2006, 01:33 AM

oh your horse is realllllly cute lol

Tootsie4U

27th Jul 2006, 12:46 PM

My take would be that the basics are fine - so going back to them is not going to help this. Its when they try and do more.... ...Bon may not be being the easiest ride for her...

Was just thinking more about this and what Harry once told me back in the begining. Mine and Bon's "business arrangement" is changing - Im asking him to do more than he's done in quite some time and he's not too happy with the change. So, he's trying and testing me to see if he can catch me off guard.

He's done it a zillion times before - I should have known sooner.