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RachelEvent
30th Oct 2006, 11:16 AM
Hi all,

at work I am riding a mare, generally as a hack escort, who to me seems to have a lot of potential but also some serious schooling issues.

Her saddle is an adequate fit, and has an air pad underneath - it should not be causing any significant problem. She is ridden in a dutch gag on the second ring.. unfortunately I cannot change the bitting, I feel she doesn't actually need so much braking power. I'd love her to be seen by a chiropracter, but again, that's not my choice. She has been given a full MOT by a vet however, who picked up no issues.

The mare is of middle age, a 16.3hh approx TBxWarmblood type. She is reserved purely for instructors and the most experienced clients to hack out. She is actually completely safe - she always responds quickly to slow down, she has never made an attempt to buck or rear, spin or spook dramatically. She is very responsive to the leg, verging on slightly too sharp. Her walk is nice - forward and purposeful. Her trot is quite special - when she is calm, she works in a soft outline, with a massively powerful, springy trot. When asked she will collect her trot up, and keeps springing upwards in the collected trot with masses of impulsion and a soft mouth.

Lovely. But when asked for canter, just a slight rub behind the girth, her head flies up vertically and she canters ears-in-face, disunited the majority of the time. She will show some strides of true canter some of the time, before swapping back to disunited.

After this first canter, she spends the next 15 minutes of a ride wanting to snap into canter all the time... then she settles again and we're back to the lovely walk and trot work.

I've ridden this horse just once now, am likely to be doing more with her as am not too perturbed by her behaviour. She has so much potential - is enthusiastic and apparently never stops at a jump (although apparently also won't stop after the jump..)

How would you approach working on this mare's canter? has anyone worked with a horse that has a preference for disunited, and such a dramatic change in head carriage?

any input appreciated... am going to to try a few things out gently to see what she will respond to. Such a sweet mare who could be fantastic if the canter was improved.

Mehitabel
30th Oct 2006, 11:24 AM
back or hip pain - she takes all her weight onto the outside hind when transitioning, so hip pain would be my first thought. the wanting to canter afterwards can also be wanting to get it over with, like rushing to fences can be anxiety or pain-related too. does she always disunite the same way?

RachelEvent
30th Oct 2006, 12:00 PM
she disunites either way...

could it be some kind of hip pain which doesn't affect her in the trot, yet the movement of the canter does? how would this be so?

Mehitabel
30th Oct 2006, 12:07 PM
because in the trot, whenever one hind leg is on the ground the opposite front one is as well, whereas in the canter the outside hind takes all the weight alone for that bit.

some saddle problems might only manifest like that too - i've heard it suggested before.

eml
30th Oct 2006, 12:14 PM
Daughters horse was like this when we first had her, serious danger to riders face and apparently random leg changing both in front and behind.

She had a history of racing as a two year old and then hunting so schooling was basic! Her hips were very unlevel and she had a number of schiatzu (sp?) treatments which combined with schooling leveled her up and then our trainer had us working her like a newly backed horse and reintroduced canter slowly only when her trot work was soft and round.

Sorry this doesn't help you much if the mare you ride is only hacked!.

baxter
30th Oct 2006, 12:17 PM
We have a showjumping pony at our yard who disunites, he regulary has to have his hips manipulated.... seek the advice and help of a chiropractor.:)

RachelEvent
30th Oct 2006, 12:23 PM
mehitabel, that makes sense yes. I'm going to be riding the mare in the school fairly soon and will have a greater chance to feel whats going on with various legs and leads.

It's ever so annoying not being the person in charge... else this mare would have some proper attention to her back and saddle asap. however, the saddle is certainly not a poor fit, and I cannot feel any particular pressure points in the way it sits on her back. If I could, I'd have the gag straight out of her mouth, chiropractors moving in and plenty of sensitive schooling, not just fast hacks. However, I'm being paid to ride, and would like to do the best I can with her within my capacity :o She is keen and willing, and although I could be mistaking worry with keen-ness, I do feel the mare does enjoy most of her work.

again, do not know the horses history - but she is not old, and it would not surprise me if she was from a hunting background, as her manners are so good and she is, overall, really quite sensible.

galadriel
31st Oct 2006, 03:41 AM
Sometimes an unfit horse will canter disunited a fair bit, but improves as they fitten up.

Otherwise sounds like pelvis/sacroiliac to me.

Mehitabel
31st Oct 2006, 07:57 AM
how sure are you that they'll be unreceptive to your thoughts on bitting? if the people in charge aren't riding her, then they can't know - i know that at ours we would always take on board the rgular rider's input on that kind of thing.