County showing +

[Gothika]

Okaaay, I got my mum to phone the WPCS to see if Lacey could still be regestered, and they said she could, we have to try and find out her parents, then send them a letter, if we can't find out her parents, still send them a letter and they'll work out how much it would cost to regester her.

ANYWAY. Since the puncture wound accident, Lacey has a little lump on her leg (hang on, me see if I can find a picture) ack well you can't actually see it in any of the photos I have, I'll take one tonight and put it up here, and since a LOT of people have said she's v. nice quality (aka vets, saddle fitter, people on the yard, people from here and other forums, and lots of people at the show I went to, including one man who was like..studying her, and when we said she wasn't regestered he said we should put her to foal to a regestered stallion because the foal would be able to be regestered because she's nicer than a lot of the regestered ones) I'd hope to show her county level, perhaps aim for PUK championships..Hoys..(only joking about HOYs, but I wouldn't say no if we got the chance xD).
How much would it matter? Would it put her entirely out of the running or would we still have a chance? (It didn't affect her at the showing show we did do, but that was only a novice one). =D Thanks.


Oh, the showing classes I'm talking about would be Mountain and Moorland, and M&M working hunter. :D

[chev]

At county level it would go against you if she's up against horses of the same quality. If she was up against poorer quality horses some judges will overlook blemishes, some don't. But if it's going to be the only difference between you and another, it will be counted against her.

Maybe less so in ridden classes; I'm not completely sure. If her show was far better than someone else's... dunno. A lot there depends on teh judge.

Re; registering - do you have any idea who her parents are? Without that info the WPCS won't register her. It's not a matter of just sending them a letter and they tell you how much it'll cost - without verified parentage, she's not eligible for registration. If you do know who her parents are but have no papers, then you'll need to have her DNA tested to prove parentage - if both her parents have already been DNA tested, then it's just her you need to pay for. If her parents also need testing, then you'd have to pay for that too. But you have to be able to prove parentage to register her, even with the new EU regulations that prevent the society from refusing registration - it's only registration of horses whose breeding can be proved that applies to.

If she's not regsiterable, then yes, you could cover her with a registered licenced stallion - but the foal won't be registerable as pure Welsh. It would be entered in the Part-Bred register, and dam would not be noted as Welsh.

WPCS registration rules are here (http://www.wpcs.uk.com/ponies/registration.html#s10) and fees are here (http://www.wpcs.uk.com/ponies/registrationfees.html) - I don't know if the £150 covers parentage testing or not.

A friend of mine bought a four year old gelding (I bought his mother at the same time). We knew parents, both were registered, but we had no covering certificate - the actual cost of registering him and the DNA testing for all three was £400. She didn't bother in the end (this is a good 7 years ago now so it may be cheaper now). But without knowing her parents and providing the parentage test, I'm afraid teh WPCS won't register her.

[Gothika]

No, my mum phoned them up and that's what they said. :S That's honestly what they said. But we are working on finding out her parents anyway.

But thanks. :D

[chev]

Honestly - they won't register her without verified parentage. If they gave you the impression they would, I'm afraid they've given you the wrong impression. :(

I breed Welshies; for registration, you must be able to say who the parents were, and for late registrations (those applied for after 31st December in the year of birth) they do need parentage to be verified.

I can give you links to Welsh forums if you want to try asking other Welshie people if you like.

Would just hate you to get your hopes up just to be disappointed later. :(

[eventerbabe]

i used to have an unregistered welsh cob. Because we could not prove her parentage she was NOT eligible for registration. That is how it works. If you cannot prove parentage then you cannot register her. When i contacted the WPCS about my old mare, they told me exactly what chev has just explained to you.

At local comps (where unregistered horses are allowed) they tended not to pick up on blemishes. I showed my unreg welsh mare in local M&M classes and she did relatively well considering she was up against some very nice registered welsh cobs. Just coz she's not registered doesn't mean you can't show, you just need to check the schedules carefully to make sure they accept entries of unreg. ponies. Most of my local agricultural shows seem to do this.

[Gothika]

-_- That's what my mum told me they said. Knowing her she probably got it wrong and after we found out her parents we had to write, but we're finding them out now.

And I know you can show unregestered horses local level.

[eventerbabe]

And I know you can show unregestered horses local level.

depends on the show. our local agricultural ones accept unregistered horses for most classes, but our local RC summer showing show will not allow unregistered horses in the M&M sections.

[Gothika]

Hmm, all shows around here you can, or they have a seperate class for unregestered and regestered.

Anyway, this wasn't meant to be a debate about regestering and the classes, can we please get back to the topic?

[Herbie's mummy]

If it says at any show, UN registered M and M then thats fine, you don't have to have proof/papers.

If it's REGISTERED M and M then you HAVE to have papers.

[chev]

Well... it would probably put her out of the running for most PUK championships; but local level is less likely to be an issue. County shows really do depend on how strict the judge is and what you're up against quality-wise.

It means that if it comes to a choice between Lacey and another of equal or near equal quality, performance and movement, the one without the blemish would probably win. But if it's Lacey and another who has no blemishes but for example doesn't move as well... then you do stand a good chance of getting it.

Once you get to county level though the quality of animals shown tends to be pretty much on a level, and it's usually pretty high. It's certainly worth taking her otu and seeing how you get on, particularly if it's only a very small blemish.

To give you an idea; a friend of mine has a big coloured mare with a small bump on one shin from an old injury. At local level they won a lot and took championships too. In CHAPS classes they had a fair amount of success at lower levels. Once they started showing at county level and beyond, the mare's placing did drop considerably, because of the bump.

[Gothika]

Okay, thanks :D I'm not /too/ bothered though, show jumping is her ford but thought it might be fun to break it up with some showing. (especally as the bug bit me last year with Willow) Would the working hunters be slightly more lenient about her lump?

[chev]

Quite possibly. :) It used to be the case that minor blemishes on a working hunter were largely ignored - the idea being that if it truly was a working hunter it would be out in the field most of the hunting season and therefore bound to pick up the odd bump or two.

That said, it is a long long time since I did working hunter classes at all, and I'm not that sure of how they're judged now.

[Herbie's mummy]

My pony has a tiny splint on his leg,we do county level workers and to be honest does not go against me too much; like chev says what would you expect from a pony who goes hunting:D

[Gothika]

:D Thanks, i'm now obsessing about some fun driving. I can't help it, I've had always had horses, even from a young age, I'm quite tall, so when I got my own one, it was a horse, and I've had horses since, and Lacey is my first pony (well she's 14.3hh but she's a cob and acts in every way like a pony except her stride length) so its exciting having something I can wizz around on and concentrate on having a lot of fun (still being sensible though, she's got a lot of talent -fingers crossed-) but she's been broken to drive too, so I'm gonna make my mum buy me a cart and harness and lessons for my birthday. xD