a cube of jelly a day keeps the farrier away

[teabiscuit]

my farrier told me to try my tb with gawdawful feet with a cube of jelly a day.
on the grounds that it contains gelatin.

has anyone tried this? did it work?

if it does, it'll work out an awful lot cheaper than F4F:)

[entreat]

umm... ok, but you know what gelatin is made of, yeah?

[teabiscuit]

absolutely do entreat :)

it does sound bizzare (sp) which is why i posted on it

sometimes bizzare things work :confused:
x

[Peanut]

In my teenage years when vanity was important and I actually had nails, I used to eat a cube of jelly a day to make them stronger. Never really noticed any difference though.

[teabiscuit]

thanks Peanut, think i'll stick to the F4F for now then :D

[iluvpin]

hey

well actually people i know found that adding gelatine to their horses feed did actually improve his feet greatly.

but when i did mention this to some others they gasped in horror because what its made of.

so yeah basiclly i no of people who had really good results from feeding gelatine/jelly to their horsey for his feet.

lozzie an pinxx

ps the people that done this were quite knowledgeable(sp)

[Jessey]

I have heard of it, and it working and not, I think it depends on your horses specific foot problem :rolleyes:
Another thing to try is feeding rosehips, they are meant to be great for making good strong feet - thats whats in most herbal type foot conditioners. From speaking to friends, the horses whos feet don't improve with FF or F4F and the like; normally do with Ropsehips :D

[teabiscuit]

thanks for the info iluvpin and Jessey :)

i wonder if rosehip syrup would be as good as rosehips?

do you just go and pick the rosehips from your garden roses?

i will give anything a try :o

[CMR]

On a television show here that tells breaks up myths, they talked about the 'eating Jell-O(gelatin dessert) makes your nails strong' myth. They said it was false, so I'd say it would apply to horses as well. :)

[Jessey]

Yep, rosehips can just be picked and a few added to the feed each day, several of my friends use it and find it great :D

[teabiscuit]

Yep, rosehips can just be picked and a few added to the feed each day, several of my friends use it and find it great :D

well then i'm off to pick some rosehips!!!!
thanks :)

[domane]

Oh... someone put me out of my misery and remind me what gelatin is made of..... I can't remember what awful thing it is..... :o

[kirstie]

Never heard of that lol sounds quite interesting though! :D

[teabiscuit]

Oh... someone put me out of my misery and remind me what gelatin is made of..... I can't remember what awful thing it is..... :o

:D i think it's pigs/cows bones all boiled up, the kind of stuff that comes out of that process


not 100% sure, but it's something along those lines (gee that's probably totally wrong and entreat's gonna tell me off :o for not knowing properly)
off ot google it now

eta http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gelatin here it is-blurgh, how yucky

[KarinUS]

On a television show here that tells breaks up myths, they talked about the 'eating Jell-O(gelatin dessert) makes your nails strong' myth. They said it was false, so I'd say it would apply to horses as well. :)

Of course it is a myth. It really oversimplifies how metabolism works. People believe it though. Same with feeding oil to grease the joints. I mean it's not like we are hollow inside and the gelatin would actually go to the nails/hooves or oil would run down into our legs and fill up the gaps between the joints with oil. LOL :) If that worked then we could feed chocolate to cows and get chocolate milk. It would work only if it got absorbed in a way that leaves something in the bloodstream that then is carried to the place you want to improve.

[teabiscuit]

. It would work only if it got absorbed in a way that leaves something in the bloodstream that then is carried to the place you want to improve.

does it though? how do we know that the body does not absorb it and utilise it in this way if we don't ask the question?

we don't know if the horse utilises glucosamine supplements in this way, but many of us still go out, buy it, feed it and see an improvement,

so i felt it was worthwhile to ask if anyone had seen an improvement using gelatine

[Rhein]

It would work only if it got absorbed in a way that leaves something in the bloodstream

Which actually is what happens with the food stuffs we eat (in a simplified way). Only the nutrients etc are carried all over the body in the blood stream and not just to one particular place of course.

so i felt it was worthwhile to ask if anyone had seen an improvement using gelatine

All questions are worthwhile ;).
As with all these supplements, there is often a grain of truth in it. However, in this case (and in many others), you would have to eat an awful lot of gelatine in order to gain any benefit from the actual gelatin itself (far more than one cube a day):eek: . And the downside would be that so much gelatin would also, conversely, be harmful:rolleyes: .

I would have thought that a good quality mineral/vitamin/hoof supplement would be far better - but naturally far more expensive :rolleyes:

[Rhein]

If that worked then we could feed chocolate to cows and get chocolate milk

Nice idea though :)

[teabiscuit]

I would have thought that a good quality mineral/vitamin/hoof supplement would be far better - but naturally far more expensive :rolleyes:

he's on F4F now and has been for a year

last winter he had any number of lost shoes and sole punctures, and a couple of abcesses at least.

it was very depressing for me and him :rolleyes:

i thought his feet were much better-no lost shoe for 6 weeks - a first, also no other trouble so far this winter

but my farrier said his feet were "shocking" still :eek: and suggested a cube of jelly a day


so he's still on the F4F and i'm looking into other things to help him out.

tis tough :mad: because he's such a sweetie he doesn't deserve to have such discomfort.

i will try the rosehips though as that at least is not an animal derrivative :)

many thanks everyone
x

[Rhein]

but my farrier said his feet were "shocking" still :eek: and suggested a cube of jelly a day


Well, unlike many "alternative" horsey treatments, it will not do him any harm at all; so if you want to try it, why not go ahead.

It does sound as though his feet are a real problem for you. My knowledge is very limited regarding horses feet, but is this a case where he might benefit from going barefoot for a while? Maybe one of the barefoot experts can advise :confused:

[Peanut]

I always believed the main active ingredient in F4F to be biotin. Have you tried just giving the maximum RDA of that? (sure you probably have :o ). I know several people who have had huge success with something so simple, but it has taken time.

[teabiscuit]

Rhein, his full sister has been barefoot all summer and has just had to have fronts on again, and her feet are a lot better than her brothers, the thought of going barefoot with him has crossed my mind but i'd have to do it when he won't be ridden, and i won't give up the time.

also, i really don't think he could stay out in our rocky fields without sheos, and he goes potty if i stable him.
i may try the jelly :)
Peanut-yes i've tried biotin at the full RDA-nowt happened :rolleyes:
the F4F has been the best by far that i've tried, but am trying to improve things even further after the "shocking" comment :) maybe F4F and extra biotin would do the trick?

thanks again folks, your input is much appreciated :)

[KarinUS]

[QUOTE=Rhein;1121719]Which actually is what happens with the food stuffs we eat (in a simplified way). Only the nutrients etc are carried all over the body in the blood stream and not just to one particular place of course.

Yes, of course it's absorbed through the blood stream. My point was that it's broken down into the actual components- i.e. that oil doesn't make grease; gelatin doesn't make hooves (just because it's made from cartilage, etc.)

[jenren!!]

Cant comment much on the gelatin part of things, because i for one have never heard of it and cant quite imagine it working to be honest, but let the truth be told.

I just wondered whether you have tried lighter shoes? Aramis had shocking feet as well. I tried FF with Aramis and it worked after a few months, but i needed some help. Eventually i realised it was my farrier that was the problem, i changed and everything went uphill. He used lighter shoes (aluminium i think) and they were much better for her, he also glued them on, and charged no extra. Then he started messing me about so i changed farriers again, who was even better and instead of glue used side clips on the front. As her feet had already improved considerably since the last farrier they were even easier to keep shoes on - her horns were so much better. I fed Cornucrescine hoof supplement for a while, then just before she was up for sale i saved my money and used TLC as well, which is very good as its for general well-being as well.

Also, how does he get the shoes off? Do they just pull straight through the horn? From mud? Over-reaching?

Jen x

[teabiscuit]

well Jen, the trouble is, this boy has to live out 24/7 as he wall kicks if he's in for any length of time.

our feilds are just mud baths at the minute, and with rocky outcrops. so we're onto a chanllenge already :rolleyes:

i don't think the aluminium/glue option will be tough enough to withstand the winter condiditons though i will certainly think about it again in summer and suggest it to the farrier.
he's already got side clips on the front and a lightweight steel shoe

when he pulls them off, he rips half the wall away too:rolleyes:, from playing the fool in the field i think. the horn was of such poor quaility it didn't take much!:eek:

however things are better on the F4F but not as better as i thought :o

touch wood he hasn't had half the trouble he'd had by this time last year (was reading my diary)

i've never heard of TLC, who makes it?

thanks :)

[jenren!!]

Its good stuff, and cheap too:

http://www.tlc-for-horses.co.uk/product.htm

I've got some left over from Aramis sitting in the garage.

Mud is a big problem isnt it. Are there not any less muddy fields? Have you tried putting hoof boots on in the field? Just thinking off the top of my head.

[teabiscuit]

:D :D i wish that we did have some less muddy fields, we just live on a moutainy patch of land (not high but rocky) that consists of rock and clay, ideal for mud unfortunately :rolleyes:

boots would let mud in no matter how high they were and they would rub, because he'd have to have them on all teh time i fear.

i will look into the TLC and maybe feed it as well

it would be well worth it to avoid last winters misery, though as i say so far *touch wood* the F4F is doing its job :)

x

[jenren!!]

Why cant we just ban winter all together eh? :D:D.

[bethaimeelou]

we feed pete a cube of jelly in his food he like certain flavours as well but it did make a difference esp at the time he had no shoes on when the farrier did his feet even tho he had no shoes on he said that his feet was in really good condition

take care lou

[teabiscuit]

that would be great if we could ban the rain just a little bit Jen :D

we feed pete a cube of jelly in his food he like certain flavours as well


how did you feed it? did you melt it in hot water and put it in his food or just give the cube to him?

[Peanut]

i will look into the TLC and maybe feed it as well


x

Had forgotten about that stuff. There is someone on NR who swears by it and I'm racking my brains as to who. Could be Pink's Lady.

[jenren!!]

Ha :D.

I can just imagine M's face if i was to put a cube of jelly in his feed :D.

I wouldnt imagine it would matter?

[teabiscuit]

I wouldnt imagine it would matter?

what do you mean, not matter?? you're forgeting his lordships pernickety (ace word that) ways :D :D

will try him with a cube tonight, rasberry flavour i think :)

[Jessey]

TB, it can't hurt right :D Have you tried Keratex or Cornacresin on the outsides to try and help keep the shoes in the mean time? Its such a pain when they keep loosing shoes all the while :(

[Alfies-slave]

I can't see why people are upset about what its made out of. People are quite happy to cover their horses in cow skin, or if you use foreign leather... the skin of any unfortunate animal that the tanner could get hold of!

Also, the manufacturers of many well known equine suplements and medications test their products on horses, ie vivisection. People still buy the products for their own dear ned despite the fact that horses have died to produce it!

[teabiscuit]

I have had a look and the nearest supplier of TLC is two counties away-will ask tehm about postage and packing prices :cool:

Jessey i used effol hoof dressing during the summer which did a really good job, but as he's out 24/7 its nigh on impossible to get his foot dry enough to apply a dressing :o i just don't have the time to get him in everyday, wash the mud off and wait for his tootsies to dry


i also tried the cornucrescine hoof hardner which did nothing :rolleyes:

i think his hooves need a conditioner rather than a hardner :)

[jenren!!]

Or buy him a new set of hooves!

(ok im not helping :D)

[Ginger Thing]

Mine was on F4F (as I thought it was the best supplement) but my farrier has told us to alternate them, so now we have approx 1 month of F4F, 1 of Farrier's Formula and 1 of Cornucrescine Daily Hoof Supplement. He said they all have slightly different ingredients/proportions of ingredients.

Touch wood he hasn't had an abcess all winter, which is very unusual! And his shoes are staying on better and his heels are starting to grow.

[Wally]

I have had a bit of bother with my neighbour whose house is next to my one of my fields.

She says my horses heat her trees and bushes near the wall. I say they don't as it's stuff threy never bothered with EVER with all the other folk lkiving in that house, just her.....this year I put Odd and Fodd (not their reall names) in there....to my horror the pair of them had half climbed the dry stone dyke and were picking all the rosehips off her rosa rogosa bush! (SP?) Naughty boys!

[Bay Mare]

I have had a bit of bother with my neighbour whose house is next to my one of my fields.

She says my horses heat her trees and bushes near the wall. I say they don't as it's stuff threy never bothered with EVER with all the other folk lkiving in that house, just her.....this year I put Odd and Fodd (not their reall names) in there....to my horror the pair of them had half climbed the dry stone dyke and were picking all the rosehips off her rosa rogosa bush! (SP?) Naughty boys!


:D I love to hear about your little guys' adventures :) They sound such characters, you need to get them put onto some kind of comic strip, you'd make a bomb :)

[Roofio]

I feed jelly... usually about a packet a day though not a cube! I couldn't say whether it has made a difference as I'm feeding biotin and seaweed alongside it, but he enjoys it so what harm can it do?

What are rosehips though :confused: am i being quite dense here? I'll also try absolutely anything!

Edited to say: J only likes orange, tried raspberry, strawberry, blackcurrant and lime and he spat them out. It took him a while to get used to the texture though i think, he pulled some funny faces to begin with. He wont eat it if i put it in his dinner, only if fed from the hand. I use it place of 'treats'. (naughty i know please dont tell me off for it! ;))

[teabiscuit]

Mine was on F4F (as I thought it was the best supplement) but my farrier has told us to alternate them, so now we have approx 1 month of F4F, 1 of Farrier's Formula and 1 of Cornucrescine Daily Hoof Supplement. He said they all have slightly different ingredients/proportions of ingredients.


that sounds like a good thing to try out-when this pot of F4F ends i'll give that a go-won't cost any extra will it?:) thanks:D
I have had a bit of bother with my neighbour whose house is next to my one of my fields.

She says my horses heat her trees and bushes near the wall. I say they don't as it's stuff threy never bothered with EVER with all the other folk lkiving in that house, just her.....this year I put Odd and Fodd (not their reall names) in there....to my horror the pair of them had half climbed the dry stone dyke and were picking all the rosehips off her rosa rogosa bush! (SP?) Naughty boys!
:o i like the way you've hidden the naughty boys identities :D
I feed jelly... usually about a packet a day though not a cube!

What are rosehips though :confused: am i being quite dense here? I'll also try absolutely anything!they're the large pip shaped pod that the rose seeds are in i think:)



a packet-wow :D lucky horsey. thug spat the cube out and looked at me like i'd tried to poison him, so i had to go and make it up with hot water :o spoiled or what:D

[Jessey]

Rosehips are the seed pod of roses. You can buy Rosehip as a supplement but picking it from wild roses in hedgerows seems to be effective and cheap :D - this web page has info -
For horses Rosehips make an excellent addition to their feed, encouraging strong and healthy hoof growth and used with other herbs Rosehips can help horses to return to health after illness. Not sure if the weight loss rule that applies to humans follows thru to ponies but its worth a try for those tubbies.

contains: organic acids Vitamin A malic acid Vitamin K Vitamin E iron
citrates pectin Vitamin B1 niacin Vitamin P resin malates
citric acid phosphorus Vitamin B2 tannin Vitamin C salts calcium

http://www.eques.com.au/herbs/herb.html

[teabiscuit]

Jessey, i'm afraid i'm no gardener- are rosehips seasonal do you know? i had a quick look in the dark last night but coudn't find any :o

[mogadoga]

I had problems with Alex's hooves, and after alot of research into his diet i ended up changing it, slightly...and now he is much improved! Maybe your feed is worth looking at too?

[Jessey]

Jessey, i'm afraid i'm no gardener
and you think I might be ;) did you see my garden that I converted for the pone to live in ;) :D
I have no idea, they were about a month ago (remember seeing them), I guess when the petals fall off they are there, not sure if they still are though - I have an old rose bush by my front door, I will check tonight :p

[teabiscuit]

I had problems with Alex's hooves, and after alot of research into his diet i ended up changing it, slightly...and now he is much improved! Maybe your feed is worth looking at too?

he's on two feeds a day of happy hoof, a low energy course mix)Frickers Formula counry mix), F4F, oil, cortaflex and ad lib good quality haylage(and now a cube of jelly)

how did you change your horses diet to achieve your success? thanks

thanks for that Jessey, i've a feeling i may have missed the rosehip boat, if so i may try rose hip syrup?

[Bluey's~Friend]

G'day! Never heard of it so dunno if it works *shrugs shoulders*

Gotta Gallop,

Bluey's~Friend

[Roofio]

they're the large pip shaped pod that the rose seeds are in i think:)

a packet-wow :D lucky horsey. thug spat the cube out and looked at me like i'd tried to poison him, so i had to go and make it up with hot water :o spoiled or what:D


Ta! Guess who's going to be spending money tonight on Rosehip supplements?!

I must confess i make it up with hot water too when the weathers cold, we cant have our preciouses going without a hot dinner once in a while can we!

Had a funny moment the other night when something made him jump and 6 half chewed cubes of jelly got sprayed across the yard :rolleyes:

[ClaireBear_nz]

A few years ago (before I discovered what was in gelatin!) we used to feed it to my sisters TB who had the most horrified feet, they were like paddles!
With better farriery, they did improve dramatically!
All I remember about the gelatin was on the back was a recipe for "Chicken and Corn Mousse"......:eek:

[Greentchr]

are rosehips seasonal do you know? i had a quick look in the dark last night but coudn't find any :o

Depends on where you live. Where roses bloom all year round, there would be hips all year round.

Here (heavy snow in winter) , they bloom in the spring, hips appear mid summer and stay on through much of the winter until they shrivel up and fall up before spring arrives again. Lots of wildlife eat rosehips: birds, deer, mice, bear. They must have good food value or else they would not be so readily eaten. Personally, I can't stand the taste, but they are quite healthy for humans as well.

Rosehips are what is left after a flower dies...

[bethaimeelou]

how did you feed it? did you melt it in hot water and put it in his food or just give the cube to him? (dont know how to quote lol)


we just break off two cubes and add it to his feed or you can give it them by hand, there is no need to add water, just give them a cube or two as they are! lol. Pete is TB and he was barefoot, and the farrier said his feet were fantastic, and that the jelly would have helped!! lol

aimee xxxx