Banner Design by Maria McKenna - Click for Home
Click for Home
 
 

Go Back   New Rider Message Board > Archives > Archives by Year > 2002 Archive of Posts

Notices

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1  
Old 5th Jan 2002, 03:27 PM
Zingy Zingy is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2001
Posts: 3,352
OCD - please translate!...Ponyvet?

Can someone please explain to me what OCD is? I know it's something about thickening cartilage around joints, but what does it cause long term (if anything) and what are the chances of it creating a problem?

Thanks
Reply With Quote
  #2  
Old 6th Jan 2002, 03:37 PM
ponyvet ponyvet is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: UK
Posts: 375
If OCD is present then yes it will cause a problem. Here's a very simplified explanation - hope it makes sense!

Bones grow by lengthening at the ends where the joints are. To do this the cartilage grows thick and the ends nearest the joint grow, the parts of cartilage towards the bone become ossified and turn into bone.

The cartilage has no blood supply itself and relies on the joint fluid and the bone beneath to supply all it's nutrients. Now if for some reason the carilage layer becomes too thick (i.e. it outgrows the bone) it cannot get enough nutrients. So the undernourished part of the cartilage dies off. This leaves you with a defect in the cartilage. Eventually this may develop into a flap which protrudes into the joint and may even break off (these broken pieces are called joint mice - dunno why!)

All this happens whilst the animal is growing and so affected animals tend to be young. There are certain places which are moe likely to develop OCD and at slightly different times, as bones grow at different rates. In horses it's usually the shoulder, stifle or hock. You often see swelling of the joint and lameness. The diagnosis is confirmed using x-rays.

In some young horses (less than 2 years old) The problem may resolve if you just turn them out and leave them well alone. However in severe cases surgery is required and the horse will need to have the fragment removed. This does tend to work well as long as the piece can be found. However if the piece is not easily removed the horse may need to be put down.

I have seen cases which do not show up until adulthood - usually this is a horse which has probably had mild OCD as a youngster which probably resolved, but as an adult does some work which strains the already weakened joint - usually in my experience it's a showjumper or a stallion! these may go through surgery and recover too.

The probelm is that even if the horse later seems normal - the joint mouse is removed, or the lesion was found early on and the horse turned away to recover - the defect in the cartilage forming the surface of the joint never recovers. There will always be some sort of a dent in what should be smooth cartilage. As a result the joint surfaces rub against each other and the horse will eventually get arthritis in the joint. Probably when it's still considered to be fairly young.

One of the risks for developing ocd is fast growing big foals. ID, Warmbloods are all particularly prone. There is also thought to be a strong dietary component too - which is why i advise people not to feed their foals on stud cubes, as these are mostly designed for fast growing thoroughbred, and, if fed to a warmblood foal (or ID or similar) will cause him to grow too fast and risk developing OCD. There's also thought to be a genetic link too, so really stallions that have had OCD shouldn't be used, nor if they produce foals which get OCD.
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old 7th Jan 2002, 11:28 AM
Zingy Zingy is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2001
Posts: 3,352
So if my 8year old has OCD in at least 1 hock (and quite possibly the other as well) this presumably increases the risk of arthritis? He's just been diagnosed as having arthritis in the lower 2 joints which will fuse, but the OCD is much higher in the joint (it actually looked on the x-ray like it wasn't near a bit that moves, but was on the inside/outside of the joint, but this might just be me not knowing what I was looking at). My vet said it could have been the cause of the arthritis (think it's more likely to have been a kick last year that chipped his splint bone), but he wouldn't expect it to cause arthritis in the higher joints. Not sure if he was just trying to make me feel better, so I'd like a second opinion! I'm not sure he should have been that prone to it as a youngster as I think he's a TBxarabxQH, but then I shouldn't be surprised - he likes at least one vets visit a month (think he misses them ). He rarely jumps (poles are scary ) and he's not worked very hard (about half an hour a day flatwork, dresage and hacking). Realistically is it likely that he'll develop further arthiritis? Is there anything I can do now to reduce his chances?
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old 7th Jan 2002, 12:08 PM
ponyvet ponyvet is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: UK
Posts: 375
He wo;; have been prone to it as a youngster and OCD has to develop when they are young as after a certain age the bones stop growing so by definition it can't form later in life. HOWEVER, as may well be your case maybe he hasn't shown any symptoms so far.

It does sound to me like the arthritis is maybe not related to his OCD. We really don't know how many horses have ocd as youngsters that is never serious enough to cause probelms, since if there is no outside evidence of it we never look. It is occasionally an incidental finding, and may well be with your horse.

In terms of his current arthritis, yes the lower joints should fuse and that will make him feel better. Is your vet going to injet them to make that happen or have you just been told to ride him through it until he gets better? This is because for the lower joints to fuse they need to irritate each other. Youcan either use chemicals in the joint to stimulate this or you keep working the horse in the hope it happens over time.

Either way horses with fused joints (we call this arthrodesis when we do it surgically) can do very well in the long run.

As far as managing him, you can try using a feed supplement like cortaflex, which is supposed to keep the joints healthy and is meant to help prevent and improve arthritis. In addition (or alternatively) you can ask your vet to give your horse a course of Hyaluronic acid which comes in two forms, one that is injected directly into an affected joint, and the other which is injected into the vein and is proven to find its way into the joints. This way will treat all the joints and is probably the best way to use hyaluronic acid as a preventative. however it's not cheap and some vets won't do this for preventative reasons, they like to use it as a treatment.

Hyaluronic acid, by the way, is a normal component of joint cartilage (hyaline cartilage) and so by putting it into the joint you are strengthening the cartilage and it helps inprove the sponginess and smoothness essential for normal joint function.
Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old 7th Jan 2002, 12:15 PM
Zingy Zingy is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2001
Posts: 3,352
He's on steroid injections into the joints. I'm told when these are working he'll be pain free and so I can then work him normally until he goes lame again (or in his case, starts bucking!). He'll then need more injections until the bones completely fuse. I'll ask them about the other injections - these wouldn't cause any problems with wither current treatment or cause any long term damage would they?
Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old 7th Jan 2002, 05:32 PM
ponyvet ponyvet is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: UK
Posts: 375
Depends what you call long term damage - since the steroids destroy the cartilage in the joint and allow the bones to fuse together and that's pretty permanent - LOL!!!

In my experience these horses do well, but you need to be aware that if you try to sell him you must tel any purchaser, as firstly he'd fail a vetting on flexion tests! Secondly it would need to be mentioned on insurance too.
Reply With Quote
Reply

Bookmarks

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is Off
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT. The time now is 07:07 PM.

Site Links

Site Home
Classifieds
Competition
Holidays
Riding Schools
Kinder Way
Dictionary
Starting Out
Western
Side-saddle
Library
Other Bits
Advertising
Contact Us

 
New Rider
Newsletter

Join our newsletter list here

 
 

The must-have DVD for horse owners! Understand your horse better & communicate more effectively.
 

At Court Equestrian an ABRS Riding School near Worcester

Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.4
Copyright ©2000 - 2013, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Copyright © New Rider 2009  
Although the administrators and moderators of New Rider will respond to keep objectionable or abusive messages off this forum, it is impossible for us to review all messages. All messages express the views of the author, and the owners of New Rider will not be held responsible for the content of any message. Please report any objectional posts to us and we will respond as soon as possible.
By agreeing to these rules, you warrant that you will not post any messages that are obscene, vulgar, sexually-orientated, hateful, threatening, or otherwise violative of any laws.
The owners of New Rider reserve the right to remove, edit, move or close any thread for any reason.