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Keeping horses in 24/7

Discussion in 'Ringside Chat' started by Lissie, Sep 14, 2017 at 8:54 AM.

  1. Lissie

    Lissie Well-Known Member

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    I was at a friends yard this week and was giving another horse there a fuss. Friend told me it's a new livery and the horse doesn't go out and the owner told her the horse never has, never will. The horse is 6 and goes from stable to walker or being ridden back to the stable. I was really shocked by this, I can't understand why you'd never put your horse out, it seems cruel. Even horses at top level get turnout, horse is quite big about 16.2hh in a 12mx12m stable. Does anyone else think it's not right?
     
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    For me I wouldn't unless of course the location of the Stables means that no turnout is available and it was the only way I could continue in horse ownership and enjoy riding - I suspect there are some located in City or built up areas where that is the case, they have exercise in form of the walker and I assume ridden work and probably get more meaningful exercise in some cases than those field kept albeit not natural, mine spend a lot of time eating or standing and often could do with more exercise than we can give them, You say the horse never has and never will so this is what it knows, I couldn't envisage any of ours settling into that routine when they have lived out mostly 24/7 - but providing the horses needs are met and no welfare issues then although not for me I don't think it is fair to judge those that are.
     
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    MrC https://m.facebook.com/MrKiasLife/

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    No that is not a life. If I couldn't have turnout of some sort for my horse I wouldn't have the horse or I would find a yard that could offer it if it was the yard restricting it.

    As an owner I like my horse to have turnout and company and grass under his feet and in his belly.

    To effectively trap an animal in a cell is cruel and no matter what you said to me I wouldn't think any better of someone who did it. If the horse is six and is unable to be turned out for medical reasons that horse has another 20yrs potentially if being trapped in a stable and that's not a like for an animal built to be on the move constantly. Bringing in in winter for hours is tolerable I think if horse is getting 6/7 hours turnout daily.
     
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  5. Lissie

    Lissie Well-Known Member

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    I just wonder if a horse needs are met if they don't go out? It's not this particular horse I'm only thinking about, it's just brought the subject up and made me think about whether I agree with horses never going out. Personally I don't think I could keep a horse like that, it just makes me feel uncomfortable and doesn't sit right with me.
     
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    Lissie Well-Known Member

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    Can I add just add as I think my original post came across wrong, I'm not talking about the horse I met who doesn't go out it's just the background story as to why I posted, it brought the subject up in my mind that I don't like it. My post is about horses that never go in general not this particular one, there may be reasons it doesn't go out I don't know about.
     
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    MrC https://m.facebook.com/MrKiasLife/

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    I'm talking general terms. It's the same response I've given hundreds of times over the years on forums and in real life for people who don't turn their horses out. I don't like box test for that reason as you are adding stress to an already stressed out horse and after Eowyn I won't box rest a horse for longer than a week ever again. Having her constantly trying to climb over a door even doped up was heartbreaking. As soon as I turned her out in a stable sized paddock in the field she was happier and recovered better mentally.

    As i said keeping an animal designed to move constantly In a 12x12 permanently is cruel.
     
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    Lissie Well-Known Member

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    That's what I was thinking @MrC horses are designed to be moving, be free, socialise etc. I know we do lots with them they weren't designed to do but it really doesn't sit right with me a horse never going out. I couldn't keep a horse like that even if it meant not having one. In winter I know a lot of yards have limited turnout but a few hours out is better than nothing and also not long term.
     
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    Mary Poppins Well-Known Member

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    I wouldn't keep my horse in, but plenty of people do and their horses adapt. The police horses are not turned out as they have no grazing, neither are the Household Calvary horses in London. Both have extended holidays a few times a year where they get to go out and have a complete recharge. These horses do get plenty of exercise though so it's not like they are standing in their stables 24/7.
     
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    MrC https://m.facebook.com/MrKiasLife/

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    That's technically not true for police horses, They have individual turnout paddock next to each other in a lot of forces. Many have Facebook pages and you can see them being out on the grass having fun.
     
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    I don't even like the RS set ups for the same reason, limited grazing time in paddocks that often have no grass growing & often let out alone:(
    the household cavalry is as @Mary Poppins has said - no grazing - however they are permanently watched over (even during the night) & cared for when they're not working, the soldiers often leave the radio on for them:) There's lots going on with them even when they're not working, and of course they're worked a lot but exercise for them does include daily trips around hyde park. They have "Camp" holidays too where they're still exercised but in a relaxed and fun manner. I don't think this makes up for the lack of grazing but I think its the best of a ridden horses lot in a capital city.
     
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    I don't like the idea of any horse that is otherwise fit and well being cooped up in a box for hours on end. To have no turnout is wrong mentally for them - never mind the fact it's asking for stiff joints potentially leading to things like arthritis in later life. It does not seem like any quality of life to me.
    My Storm has to stay in at night nowadays because of a tendon issue but I make sure she has as much daytime turnout as possible and we don't "tuck her in " at night until well after eight!!! So not a long night in really.
    Of course @Lissie as you already said you don't know the ins and outs and reasons and aren't judging the owner whose horse you mention, but I do agree, it isn't right and would not sit well with me either.
    And I don't think comparing them to household cavalry or the police is a valid point really. I think there are a numbe of reasons why. One is that the army horses are kept together in a routine and do have "summer hols" plus they do get retired out to pasture at some point. Same with the police neddies. But who knows how long that horse will live in a box? Could be ALL of it's life.:(
     
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    I think its a kin to battery hens. I do not think it is acceptable regardless of the animals ability to adapt and survive it. Every horse should have the option to run free on a regular basis even if it is only for a short time (I seem to remember that even the house hold cavalry horses get turned loose in their school routinely), if you are concerned about injury you opt for individual turn out.
     
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    I don't like it. People have mentioned police and cavalry horses: the working horses of the Spanish Riding School in Vienna and the French Cadre Noir are also kept in always except for their summer holiday. The stables in Morocco where I rode also kept its horses permanently stabled, though there is plenty of space there; the reason they gave was that as they are all stallions it's hard to turn them out together. These horses get plenty of exercise, several hours' work a day, but I still don't like them not being given the time and space to be horses.
     
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    I am not a fan of horses been stuck in stables 247. When looking for yards turnout every day is a massive factor. I didn't go to full livery yard as they are only turned out 3 days a week for 9 months of the yard. Even as a racehorse my boy went out everyday for am hour with his mates.

    Ideally I like to get them out every day. Even if it's just while I muck out and do my jobs. Failing that if they have to stay in due to weather. I take them for a walk :D

    That is also the reason I don't do box rest as my horse doesn't do box rest . He is much happier in a small pen in the field
     
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    No I don't agree with a horse being kept in with no turnout, they are meant to move and graze. In my opinion it is cruel, I don't understand how a horse isn't left mentally damaged being kept that way.
     
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    Cortrasna Grumpy old nag

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    I would never, under any circumstances keep a horse confined in a stable 24/7 even if it was getting plenty of exercise every day. I would rather have Dolly shot and never own a horse again than subject one to that cruel lifestyle.

    Edited to say of course I don't class box rest for injury in the same way - but like others have said I usually, if possible try and provide a very small turnout paddock directly in front of the stable.
     
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    Used to work at a riding school where some of the horses often only got half an hour out of their boxes a day. It was awful. BHS approved though.
     
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    This is the reason I dont have a horse of my own. That the local livery yard has no turn out - or rather a small enclosure where the horses go mad when liberated.
    However, there are people who move their horses to that yard - for health reasons to have 24/7 stabling.
    However most of the horses I ride - being London horses, are kept stabled unless on holiday or turned out each day in a small sand school. Time and again a staff member has felt like Cortrasna that even in London horses should not be kept stabled. Edward Miller who influenced my own thinking turned out the polo ponies each winter.
    Yet after 15 years of riding at our yard, the TB mare on which I had some of my earliest hacks is still healthy and still living - about 24 years old by now. It turns out our horses live to a great age and always seem happy to be ridden or be groomed. And they do work a lot - especially in summer. I dont think any of the horses I hack would prefer to be shot. The yard is their home and, like polo ponies in a yard together, they must feel part of a herd.
    And I dont think it true by the way that every police horse stable has a field for turn out. Nor that army horses are an exception because of the hours spent grooming etc. The care given our London RS horses and to Police horses must equal that. There have been horses living in London and living here stabled since Roman times.
    The difference is that these are horses with a job to do. They are not privately owned pet horses.
     
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    I kept ours on a "BHS" approved yard. They got twenty minutes in a sand arena from September until June:( I had to move them because it was just no good, I'd have moved sooner but we could not get a place.
     
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    I went to look at a BHS yard had to be mucked out in a morning and there wasn't enough turnout so they came in after night of the year I believe and in the winter I believe it was a few hours out 2/3 days a week though they did go in the indoor school.

    I didn't go there.
     
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