I am just gonna say i am against hunting because of my own beliefs etc and would like to not be pounced upon, for stating it
i agree , and im not trying to start a debate , but isnt fox hunting illegal and is hunting without foxes fun ??
i agree , and im not trying to start a debate , but isnt fox hunting illegal and is hunting without foxes fun ??
Of an animal? No problem, as long as it is done as humanely as possible. I especially favour euthanasia of animals that are suffering and beyond help.
Of a human? That would depend if the human concerned really wanted it! However, to prevent any possibility of abuse, it's probably better that it remains outlawed. I don't object to it on religious grounds though.
How does this relate to the hunting of foxes?
i agree , and im not trying to start a debate , but isnt fox hunting illegal and is hunting without foxes fun ??
I think it is illegal i am not sure, and yes i think so.
Each to their own though
Yes, but what are the actual mechanics of this "regulation"? It's often from death thru starvation/disease and the deliberate killing off of the young by their parents.
Interesting you mention tradition. That's something that hasn't been discussed at all (probably because it's not such a big issue). First of all, let me say that I don't see anything wrong with enjoying a tradition per se. It's not hard to understand why it gives us a good feeling - it links us to the past, provides a reassuring sense of continuity with the lives of our ancestors, and unites communities by providing an shared activity. I do wonder sometimes though whether an activity being traditional is enough of a reason to carry on with it if there are other good reasons to stop it. I guess it's a matter of balance - do the bad aspects of a tradition outweigh the good? In the case of foxhunting, its intrinsic value as a tradition only exists for those involved in it, whereas the 'antis' have no such sense. That's one reason why views differ so strongly.Because it's jolly good fun I would imagine, I never had the chance to go pre-banbut I will one day when I have my own hoss again. I would be going because I would enjoy the galloping across country and the traditions and everything. However, I am not squeamish and would not look away if the final killing happened to occur in front of me. I would not be going only to see that but it is part and parcel of hunting and therefore I would not hide away.
Breeding and birth rates may be affected by external factors such as food availability. However, in the case of the fox, an excess of cubs is born each year and many of these die before reaching adulthood - in other words, birth rate is not the limiting factor for foxes. That explains why overall numbers are restored so quickly - every year there are more than enough juveniles available to fill any 'gaps' left when older foxes die (or are killed).
I expect hunt saboteurs comprise a mix of peaceable and violent characters, thoughtful and misguided, pleasant and unpleasant, well-meaning and ill-meaning. Not sure of the exact mix, mind you - but I wouldn't necessarily tar 'em all with the same brush.
In general, I would agree with you. But there are a few ways of treating animals after they're dead that would disgust/upset me enough to want to do something about it, and that have nothing to do with sentimentality. I hesitate to state the sort of thing I have in mind because I don't want to upset people. Suffice to say that, even after an animal's death, its dignity may be respected or offended.
I couldn't agree more, Cerys. Factory farming entails far more animal suffering than foxhunting ever did.
In other words, the ones that "die before reaching adulthood" come to an unpleasant end even tho man is in no way involved -- they are killed by other animals, killed by their own parents, or die from lack of food.
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my parents had a pet fox when they were first married just over 40 years ago, the fox was in no means vicious and lived a very happy and content life, just like one of their dogs, they also had rabbits and the fox didnt bother them in the slightest
One thing that bothers me about the antis who can't stand the thought of any suffering on the part of an animal is that they REALLY aren't concerned about the animals -- they're concerned about their own psyhic pain. These people suffer from a surfeit of empathy. Empathy is a good thing but only to a degree. If it is so strong in you that you feel so miserable about certain things that you want to reorder the world in such a way that the animals involved experience more pain and suffering than before, but because you don't see it because the pain and suffering is swept under the rug, then that is IMMORAL. You are putting the real pain and suffering of many animals behind the relief of your own empathy-plagued psyche.
Yes, of course. I imagine the unpleasantness of the end will vary, but few deaths in the wild are benign. I'm not sure what bearing this has on whether or not apex predators need to be controlled by man though.
Ok, this is NOT a cue to start an arguement, i have followed this thread and participated, as it seems to have gone slightly O/T, it would be interesting to know how many of us (either for/against) have participated, spectated at local hunter trials..........interesting to see peoples views
You telling me it's gone O/T lol!! It started as a thread about a girl whoose horse had jumped in a couple of fields after a hunt went by, to a blimmin net based argument that is like 38 pages long lmao!!! 
Still, debates are healthy i guess!
Still, debates are healthy i guess!
Now, this post is thought-provoking!
I am sure there is more than a grain of truth in what you say. However, can the fact that empathy is sometimes misdirected be used to argue that people should have less empathy?
You telling me it's gone O/T lol!! It started as a thread about a girl whoose horse had jumped in a couple of fields after a hunt went by, to a blimmin net based argument that is like 38 pages long lmao!!!
Still, debates are healthy i guess!
Agreed, thanks for reminding me of the original thread!! Us horsey lot are a different class - unique
Agreed, thanks for reminding me of the original thread!! Us horsey lot are a different class - unique
aye, that we are!!!!!!
? Not too sure what you mean by psyhic pain, do you mean psychic pain, physical pain? Thanks.
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