If a first aid trained layperson manipulates a broken vertebrae ....... AAARGHHHHH!!!!!!! How many varieties of plegia are there? ANY sign of back or neck injury, do not move except to perform CPR, and then log roll. The man sounds an eeejit of the first order. Don't tell me he told you to take a motor cyclist helmet of fto manipulate the head!!!! Heaven help us!
Equine Specific First Aid courses
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Not manipulate the spine or neck but have a good feel, sorry, but I wouldn't know the feel of a broken neck, so I'd leave well alone.
I did have a bit of a discussion with him about motorbikes and helmets! He is a bully and if you stand up to him he becomes a despot.....ask Frances what he's like!
I did have a bit of a discussion with him about motorbikes and helmets! He is a bully and if you stand up to him he becomes a despot.....ask Frances what he's like!
Wally said:
Eh? I thought that the object was to stabilise, especially the neck and head, not start faffing around trying to make a diagnosis. My first aid is WAAAAYYYY overdue but I can't see how they would be teaching anyone to manipulate joints looking for potential breaks
Especially as things are with the compensation culture you MIGHT be trying to help but it doesn't stop them suing you if you do something dumb whether you've been taught to do it or not, personal responsibility and all that.What did he say about motorbikes and helmets? We were always taught to keep the helmet on as it offers some support, you don't know what you're going to find in there and trying to get it off can destabilise the whole lot and you end up with someone a whole lot worse off than when you started.
I'd like to do my Equine First Aid as I think that it's helpful but would want to find a good course with a decent instructor first.
Oh me Oh my!
I don't know about anywhere outside Canada, but here: stabilize, leave the helmet on & keep the victim calm until the paramedics get here. They in turn will further stabilize the victim for the trip to the hospital where proper non invasive tests can be done.
If the spine is in jeopardy, you can ask the victim if they can feel their extremities. If they can't move them, it doesn't take a scientist to figure out that a vertebrae is compromised.
That man sounds pretty special to me!
I can see why you were upset. We're not required to become neurosurgeons or whichever other specialist for pete's sake!
I don't know about anywhere outside Canada, but here: stabilize, leave the helmet on & keep the victim calm until the paramedics get here. They in turn will further stabilize the victim for the trip to the hospital where proper non invasive tests can be done.
If the spine is in jeopardy, you can ask the victim if they can feel their extremities. If they can't move them, it doesn't take a scientist to figure out that a vertebrae is compromised.
That man sounds pretty special to me!
I can see why you were upset. We're not required to become neurosurgeons or whichever other specialist for pete's sake!
As far as I can see latest view of first aid is do nothing you can be sued for!!
Cynical me...always!!
Seriously I used to do the HSE course but find the equine one much more relevent and therefore memorable to my job as a RS owner/teacher. This years latest thing is jawthrusts in MTM to avoid any chance of moving broken neck so why go looking for it and potentially causing harm and being sued
Cynical me...always!!
Seriously I used to do the HSE course but find the equine one much more relevent and therefore memorable to my job as a RS owner/teacher. This years latest thing is jawthrusts in MTM to avoid any chance of moving broken neck so why go looking for it and potentially causing harm and being sued
No, no, no, no, jaw thrust are for drownings only. Taught only for first aid at sea now. Old technology!!!!!!
I was bawled out for mentioning a jaw thrust ........something which I had to demonstrate not 3 years ago!
I KNOW my motorbike helmet fits like a glove, I take my face off every time I take it off. It's bad enough when I take it off. I get 3 feet taller. Imagine letting anyone else have a go at taking it off. Sadly my row occured the day after I was on my motorbike and had my hat with me.
He offered to demonstrate to me but told him he was wasting his time as the hat he had was 10 sizes too big for me. It was not a relevant demonstration as I would not be wearing a helmet that was too big......and neither would the casualty. Anyone can take a pudding baisin off someone and maintain stability!
I got a shouting at, because I was not sufficiently scared of him to fill my evaluation form in with anything other than straight A+ marks. Everyone else was so scared of him they just filled in the form and ticked the A+ box. I made him accountable. I must have discussed things with him for over half an hour! I am NOT a paramedic, but I know a bit about anatomy and boichemisrty!
he told us that aspirin was ACETIC acid
and he'd scratched his RETINA so had double vision???? I am worried!
I was bawled out for mentioning a jaw thrust ........something which I had to demonstrate not 3 years ago!
I KNOW my motorbike helmet fits like a glove, I take my face off every time I take it off. It's bad enough when I take it off. I get 3 feet taller. Imagine letting anyone else have a go at taking it off. Sadly my row occured the day after I was on my motorbike and had my hat with me.
He offered to demonstrate to me but told him he was wasting his time as the hat he had was 10 sizes too big for me. It was not a relevant demonstration as I would not be wearing a helmet that was too big......and neither would the casualty. Anyone can take a pudding baisin off someone and maintain stability!
I got a shouting at, because I was not sufficiently scared of him to fill my evaluation form in with anything other than straight A+ marks. Everyone else was so scared of him they just filled in the form and ticked the A+ box. I made him accountable. I must have discussed things with him for over half an hour! I am NOT a paramedic, but I know a bit about anatomy and boichemisrty!
he told us that aspirin was ACETIC acid
and he'd scratched his RETINA so had double vision???? I am worried!
My God I didn't know horses came in such tall sizes! Can no one knock him off of it?
Unfortunatly he sounds like a no win situation case! Apparently, he's the one that everyone has to let win!
Gaaah!
Unfortunatly he sounds like a no win situation case! Apparently, he's the one that everyone has to let win!
Gaaah!
Wally said:
Um, are you sure that he's not just some wannabee nutter that wandered in off the street?
Are you REALLY telling us that he advocated removing the helmet?
I'd be reporting him I'm afraid for both his dire lack of knowledge and his bully boy tactics.
Go on, Ask Frances what he's like, She's lying low!
I'm afraid he HATES. Neither Frances or I can abide bullies, becasue we stand up to him he picks on us! Frances is a nurse by training and meets him head on. Biology and chemisrty are my subjects. You can imagaine the sparks can't you!
One of the reasons I had a major barney with him is because I filled out the evaluation form honestly, everyone else on the course just wanted OUT and ticked all the A+ boxes. I dare say my evaluation form will be lost in the bin before it gets to the boss.
I'm afraid he HATES. Neither Frances or I can abide bullies, becasue we stand up to him he picks on us!
Frances is a nurse by training and meets him head on. Biology and chemisrty are my subjects. You can imagaine the sparks can't you! One of the reasons I had a major barney with him is because I filled out the evaluation form honestly, everyone else on the course just wanted OUT and ticked all the A+ boxes. I dare say my evaluation form will be lost in the bin before it gets to the boss.
Wally - I'm surprised the guy didn't require first aid himself after that!
Equine specific first aid is useful as some of the scenarios wouldn't usually crop up in everday life. I know someone who had her knee shattered by a kick from another horse whilst mounted - they had a job working out how to actually get her off the horse, and try to keep horse still and calm into the bargain. The rider doesn't always end up on the floor.
Equine specific first aid is useful as some of the scenarios wouldn't usually crop up in everday life. I know someone who had her knee shattered by a kick from another horse whilst mounted - they had a job working out how to actually get her off the horse, and try to keep horse still and calm into the bargain. The rider doesn't always end up on the floor.
Oh ouch!Ginger Thing said:Wally - I'm surprised the guy didn't require first aid himself after that!
Equine specific first aid is useful as some of the scenarios wouldn't usually crop up in everday life. I know someone who had her knee shattered by a kick from another horse whilst mounted - they had a job working out how to actually get her off the horse, and try to keep horse still and calm into the bargain. The rider doesn't always end up on the floor.
Did they do a CP type dismount? (Sorry, a therapeutic riding term)
Rider lifts good leg over neck of horse, two people carry her off in a chair position?
Not sure LMS (I wasn't there, just know it was an awkward situation) - see, that's a perfect example of horsey knowledge being useful in case like that! You would have instantly known what to do.
Ginger thing: I only know this because I'm a therapeutic instructor. Otherwise, I don't think I would've known.
Anyone from Canada: were you tought this in your equine first aid?
Anyone from Canada: were you tought this in your equine first aid?
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