I am against shooting of foxes so I would ban anyone from lamping on my land. I would put an artificial earth, just as I might dig a pond or install a bird box. It is all very theoretical since I am unlikely to ever own my own estate!
I am against shooting of foxes so I would ban anyone from lamping on my land. I would put an artificial earth, just as I might dig a pond or install a bird box. It is all very theoretical since I am unlikely to ever own my own estate!
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The fox hunts for survival not for fun, it's a natural instinct for them to kill more than they need and cache the carcases.
They do eat dogs in Thailand and most probably breed them for meat. In my opinion, that's no different to the French breeding horses for the same reason and I'd have no problem eating either if I ever visited those countries.
The fox is a different kettle of fish though, it has never been in the food chain in this country and is hunted by hounds as a bloodsport more so than an effective means of pest control.
OK I can see the financial side of things, although other methods of culling manage without subscriptions so I am not convinced.
Re the kit, that doesnt answer my question. You have merely explained the reasons behind the dress code which I already knew. How on earth you managed to go from fox hunting to Grenadier Guards I have no idea - please feel free to explain. Are you making a comparison to the hunt etiquette and tradition v's the British Armies oldest regiment's uniform? I don't get the connection.
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I agree Yann. There's a big difference with hunting purely for pleasure and hunting to put food on the table.
But this has happened, has it, because people do continue to hunt -- without the fox. More hunters should have believed THEMSELVES when they were telling the antis that killing the fox was only incidental to the hunt.
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I think it's very consistent actually, I eat meat and fully accept the implications and consequences of it. At least the pheasants and grouse have had a good life and are shot for a worthwhile reason.
Almost no hunting today is to put food on the table. The amount of money spent by hunters for equipment, travel, etc. far exceeds what they would need to buy the same amount of meat from a store.
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Pleasure fishermen often bring their catch home or release it to live another day. Pheasant shooting is done for pleasure but it's also a source of food, so is rabbiting.
All sports cost money, but hunting an inedible animal purely for fun, is entirely different to hunting one in the food chain.
A rifle doesn't need feeding, nor does it need a lorry to transport itself, a horse to mount the rifle owner, shoes and a thousand and one other expenses that a pack of hounds incurs.
You obviously do get the connection as you have stated it in the post above. I explained that the wearing of smart kit was about respect for the landowner, but there were also damn good practical reasons behind it.
I'm not opposed to the ban, because it hasn't "banned" any of the important elements of the hunt, but here in the states, a great amount of fishing is "catch-and-release". The equivalent of this in foxhunting would be to chase the foxes, corner them, and then let them go (which is what we do at my hunt, anyway). Since it is this chasing which is so objectionable, I would think most antis, to be consistent, would be against sport fishing as well.
Depends what exemption you utilise, we mainly flush to a bird of prey, so the fox is by no means incidental and never has been...
Collettybetty who is anti-hunting posted this on another thread. What is the difference between killing a rat that is a pest on your stable yard and killing a fox which is a pest to farms??
Foxes are just rats with good PR...
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Yes.
None. But maintaining and conserving foxes so they can be chased and killed for amusement is another thing altogether.
No it is the killing of the fox by the dogs that I find unacceptable, not the chasing. The problem for me is that foxes get killed for no other reason than to satisfy the humans on the hunt. I thought that this point had been made clear on this thread already.
If the fox were to be let go unharmed I wouldn't have a problem with it at all. If a fish were to be let back into the water unharmed then this doesn't bother me at all. However, how do you stop the dogs from harming the fox? Surely this goes against their instincts?
Collettybetty who is anti-hunting posted this on another thread. What is the difference between killing a rat that is a pest on your stable yard and killing a fox which is a pest to farms??
Foxes are just rats with good PR...[/QUOTE
Very good point......................
Yes, this is very true. But the hunt only has these expenses because of the way they choose to eliminate foxes.
Yes I understand the reasons for wearing what they wear, the tradition of it all and so on, but I still don't agree that hunting an animal should be made a fun sporting activity regardless of what they are wearing. This does not mean that I disagree with the historical and traditional uniform of the oldest regiment of the armed forces - totally different tradition and in no way relevant to the conversation really. unless the Grenadier guards are out in full uniform partaking in the hunt, that I might have a problem with........jk
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But the point is that hunting did (and to a certain extent still does) play a part in the management of the countryside. It is NOT just about pleasure for humans.
So the fox is allowed to indulge a natural instinct, but hounds are not. Does this not smack of double standards somewhat?
I have read the link, and you can do all of those activities without having to chase and kill an animal.
From an earlier post of mine, Fox hunting became popular from their coats/pelts becoming fashionable, so more foxes were brought in GB from Scotland, sold on markets for fur or to hunt, then because the foxes were released into unknown land for the hunt they ran in straight lines so were easy to catch, Earls of manners became competitive, so more foxes were brought to GB, Its was then banned to cage and scent the foxes and Fox fur eventually went out of fashion.
That is how fox hunting started according to an old book.
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