Am I Appaloosa or Knabstrupper?

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That is the question?

My mum knows what I'm supposed to be:rolleyes: , I wasn't registered as apparantly my spots arent right for some reason, oh and apparantly I wasnt going to be big enough I'm only 14.2hh.

Anyone know why my spots arent right ? - I think I look cute:D

In my best summer coat
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My winter woolies
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Oh mum!
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What are the main differences between appaloosas and knabstruppers?

He is supposedly appaloosa but I have no guarantees on that. I might try to find out what area of France he came from and then see what studs are in that area - that might help me some.

I was told he was an appaloosa, bred for general riding or a lot went for endurance as well but he was never registered as he was not going to be very big and his spots werent quite right?

I dont actually mind what he is but would like to know, if you know what I mean :rolleyes:
 
maybe the stud were breeding for a particular colour or pattern?

i think hes lovely, im becoming quite partial to spotties:D
 
Apparantly his spots werent defined enough or werent distributed properly, so they didnt bother to register him.

I have seen pictures of Knabstruppers that look like him and pictures of appaloosas that look like him, but I've also seen pictures of purebred knabs and apps that look the same as each other as well!

Thanks for the nice comments.:D
 
Some useful info I found...

Appaloosa CharacteristicsAlthough Appaloosas are most commonly recognized by their colorful coat patterns, they also have other distinctive characteristics. The four identifiable characteristics are: coat pattern, mottled skin, white sclera, and striped hooves. In order to receive regular registration, a horse must have a; recognizable coat pattern or;; mottled skin and one other characteristic.

White Sclera The sclera is the area of the eye which encircles the iris - the colored or pigmented portion. The white of the human eye is an example. All horses have sclera but the Appaloosa's is white and usually more readily visible than other breeds. All horses can show white around the eye if it is rolled back, up or down or if the eyelid is lifted. Readily visible white sclera is a distinctive Appaloosa characteristic provided it is not in combination with a large white face marking, such as a bald face.
Mottled or Parti-Colored Skin
This characteristic is unique to the Appaloosa horse. Therefore, mottled skin is a basic and decisive indicator of an Appaloosa. Mottled skin is different from commonly found pink (flesh-colored or non-pigmented) skin in that it normally contains dark areas of pigmented skin within its area. The result is a speckled or blotchy pattern of pigmented and non-pigmented skin. When identifying mottled skin, it is important to not confuse it with simple differences in pigmentation, patches of light and dark skin, and pumpkin skin.
Striped Hooves
Many Appaloosas will have bold and clearly defined vertically light or dark striped hooves. Vertical stripes may result from a injury to the coronet or a white marking on the leg. Also light colored horses tend to have thin stripes in their hooves. As a result, all striped hooves do not necessarily distinguish Appaloosas from non-Appaloosas. Look for other Appaloosa characteristics if any of these situations apply to your horse.
 
This is a Knappstrupper I had over 10 years ago. I was told he was pure bred but wasn't registred as his breeder wasn't concerned with that sort of things.. :rolleyes:

He was a cheeky little fellow, and needed A LOT of exercise! I had to ride him twice a day to keep him from getting too handful. He was 5 years old when we got him so that also explains it. I didn't keep him long as I just didn't have time to ride him enough and if he wasn't ridden he threw such massive bucks that nobody was able to stay on. He went to the local RS and was very well loved there, one of my friends competed with him very succesfully in both Dressage and SJ.

This is Kajan when he came to our house, he hadn't been ridden much hence the bit of belly and lack of proper muscles. But that is the only picture I unfortunately have of him so can't show you how good he looked after 6 months!



He does look a bit like your horse though.. Maybe you have a Knappstrubber..?

Nina x
 
Well couldnt sleep so I got back up:mad: I'll be pooped in the morning.

Thanks Melia, he obviously has the coat colouring and he also has very mottled skin on all his bald areas, he has white sclera and stripy hooves. Obviously these are all characteristic of appaloosas but they are also characteristic of knabstruppers as well:rolleyes:

Nina - he does look like a bit like my boy doesnt he. Character sounds similar, cheeky, willful - stroppy at times and both appya and knabs are supposed to be kind and willing!
 
14.2, you say? He is a darling!
I'd guess he's POA (Pony of the Americas). They're pony-sized Apps, and I think they were developed from the Appaloosa (I suggest you Google Pony of the Americas for accurate info, though). Maybe a cross, since I just read at equinpost.com that average height for the POA breed is 11.2-13.2.

It's getting harder each year for me to distinguish between Knabstruppers (one of my favorite breeds) and Appaloosas, since Appaloosas have in recent years been brought into Knabstrupper breeding programs and have changed the Knabstrupper from the "old-fashioned" type that I fell in love with in the books of my childhood to a lighter type. And now that Akhal-Tekes are being introduced into Appaloosa breeding to "refine" the latter breed, who knows what effect they are having on the Knabstruppers?
 
Thanks for your input Roheryn.

You obviously know a lot more about the spotty breeds than I do, I'm pretty good with the Native British Breeds and beyond that very sketchy. I'm hoping to chat to the lady who brought him over and see if she can give me a bit more info about him.

He is only 14.2hh but definately looks horse like and feels horse like to ride, nothing ponyish about him except perhaps his character:rolleyes:
 
I thought I caught a pony glint in his eye! :)

What were the UK spotted horses and ponies of the past called? I don't remember hearing of any name other than "spotted" for them, but weren't they once quite popular in harness, 200 or so years ago?

I goofed on the web address I posted, sorry. It's equinepost.com

I rode a POA once. I think he was more like 14-something than 13-something. He had been a barrel racer and could literally turn on the Quarter Horse dime. ("Stop on a nickel, turn on a dime.") We had a great ride together and I've often thought that if I ever got a pony of my own I would like a POA.
 
I think that he looks very handsome and I like spotties so I think that he is fabby!!!

What age is he??? He looks lovely and cheeky!!!

I thought all spotty ponies/horses were like cloureds and got registered with chaps or is it shaps???

Or am I just being thick???? :confused: :rolleyes:

He looks gorgeous tho!!!! Never heard of a knapstrupper tho sound intriguing. I'm gonna google...........

Nikki xxxx
 
I just knew when I pressed 'submit reply' that you were going to ask about British Spotted Ponies which I know nothing about either! They have only quite recently really been recognised as a native breed along with the eriskay.

When I was learning all my stuff (a few moons ago:o ) they were 9 breeds commonly classed as the native pony breeds. Shetland, HIghland, Connemara, Exmoor, Dartmoor, Welsh (A,B,C & D), New Forest, Fell and Dales.
Now I feel suitably ashamed I will go and do some swotting up;)

Nik-n-kia - He was bred at an appaloosa stud but not registered as not worth showing or breeding from. Also with no papers to pass on he is of little value to other people to do the same. There wasa seperate post where I questioned this myself and gots lots of good information as to why horses are sometimes not registered even though they would be elidgible.

He is 5 (6 this year), he is very clever, very quick to learn (never known a horse/pony like it) but can be very challenging and naughty at times. His angelic photos do not do the other side of his character any justice at all! If you read some of my previous threads I think you would be suprised what a dark side he has. Thanks for your nice comments though :D
 
OOOOH he can be a naughty boy can't he!!!!

Still he is as handsome as anything!!! I wish you luck on him as I think he will be very good someday once you've 'tamed' him lol :p

Very nice hossie!!!

Nikki xxxxx :D
 
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