creosote!
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kturner
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I was at a yard that painted the stables with real creasote not the substitute with my PONIES INSIDE.
One was ok, but the smaller one, when I got there, was on the floor with his head pushed hard against the wall. He could hardly breath. We got him up and out and waited for emergency vet who gave him loads of jabs to save him.
He had chemical burns in his throat, nasal passages and lungs. He still has a partially paralysed throat and often he chokes on his food and it comes down his nose.
He was very ill for 3 months, and couldnt eat hay or even dengie for 6 weeks. It was too coarse, he was on soaked pony nuts (soup) for the first 6 weeks, then dengie and after 3 months hay.
Be very careful that it has completely dried and the smell has commpletely gone and use the substitute as the real one is band! Dont leave the containers outside the stable door as these people did either.
ETA He also has copd.
One was ok, but the smaller one, when I got there, was on the floor with his head pushed hard against the wall. He could hardly breath. We got him up and out and waited for emergency vet who gave him loads of jabs to save him.
He had chemical burns in his throat, nasal passages and lungs. He still has a partially paralysed throat and often he chokes on his food and it comes down his nose.
He was very ill for 3 months, and couldnt eat hay or even dengie for 6 weeks. It was too coarse, he was on soaked pony nuts (soup) for the first 6 weeks, then dengie and after 3 months hay.
Be very careful that it has completely dried and the smell has commpletely gone and use the substitute as the real one is band! Dont leave the containers outside the stable door as these people did either.
ETA He also has copd.
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your poor pony! How can u tell the substitute from creosote- does it smell the same? Its the YO who insists on creosote use on all stables. Our horses are in overnight after it has been painted on X2 coats!
your poor pony! How can u tell the substitute from creosote- does it smell the same? Its the YO who insists on creosote use on all stables. Our horses are in overnight after it has been painted on X2 coats!
unicornleather
Working Saddler
ANYONE using creosote now (apart from some industrial uses) is breaking the law and should be reported. In June 2003 the EU banned it, see below from government site, just because it's still sitting in someone's shed doesn't mean you can use it, you have to take it to the council refuse yard for safe disposal. Your horse's health is at risk IF creosote is being used as Kturner has found out!
Creosote ban
Since 30 June 2003, creosote has been withdrawn from sale to householders. Stored creosote must not be used by householders and should have been disposed of safely and responsibly by 31 June 2004. The change in law is due to its recently found cancerous properties.
Creosote use
Creosote treated timber may not be newly used inside buildings, toys, playgrounds, garden furniture, packaging of human and animal consumables (including growing containers), or in any item which may receive frequent skin contact.
Provided there is no risk of frequent skin contact it is acceptable to keep already treated wood in the garden.
Creosote disposal
Residents should take their unused creosote to local recycling centre and tip and inform the operator so it may be disposed of in their hazardous chemical store.
Retailers should contact the Environment Agency for disposal of their stock.
External links
Revocation of approvals for amateur creosote/coal tar creosote wood preservatives
The Creosote (Prohibition on Use and Marketing) (No. 2) Regulations 2003 (SI 2003 1511)
Creosote ban
Since 30 June 2003, creosote has been withdrawn from sale to householders. Stored creosote must not be used by householders and should have been disposed of safely and responsibly by 31 June 2004. The change in law is due to its recently found cancerous properties.
Creosote use
Creosote treated timber may not be newly used inside buildings, toys, playgrounds, garden furniture, packaging of human and animal consumables (including growing containers), or in any item which may receive frequent skin contact.
Provided there is no risk of frequent skin contact it is acceptable to keep already treated wood in the garden.
Creosote disposal
Residents should take their unused creosote to local recycling centre and tip and inform the operator so it may be disposed of in their hazardous chemical store.
Retailers should contact the Environment Agency for disposal of their stock.
External links
Revocation of approvals for amateur creosote/coal tar creosote wood preservatives
The Creosote (Prohibition on Use and Marketing) (No. 2) Regulations 2003 (SI 2003 1511)
im going 2 find out exactly whether its the banned stuff they have been using to treat the wood. Thank you for your responses so far!
yes, ive been googling and there is loads about side effects of human contact with it such as dermatitis, sore throat, photosensitivity and aggrivation of existing conditions like asthma. I couldnt find much on horse side effects but as a post above shows, there are clearly dangers 2 the neds. Im thinking now about hay in nets could b contaminated from fumes!
agricultural users are still allowed to buy and use it, but not non agric, and it should only be used appropriately NOT where horses are going to be in it before its dried for instance. Its a shame the 'replacement' products often arent much cop at doing the job.
I dont use creosote tho could cos we are a farm, I use hippy eco stain which is really expensive but has about 6x the useful ingredients of the stuff you get at DIY stores, its amazing and even one coat is much more use than about 3 of the other stuff.
I dont use creosote tho could cos we are a farm, I use hippy eco stain which is really expensive but has about 6x the useful ingredients of the stuff you get at DIY stores, its amazing and even one coat is much more use than about 3 of the other stuff.
The stuff I use is called Osmo Country colour, its expensive but amazing and totally horse safe and wont crack or warp or blister or anything.
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kturner
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We were on a livery that also had a pig farm, so I assume that is how they got it and didnt want to waste it so used it on horse livery place as well.
We couldlnt do anything about it, they wouldnt even help with the vet bill, and it was one of those yards, that if you say anything you get chucked off. There was nowhere else to go at short notice so didnt report them.
It says on the tub if it is the substitute, which they used after my pony got the chemical burns. He was only 11.3 and the 14h one was not effected, maybe she had a headache, but no bad signs like little one. Vet had to scope bad throat to see how far it had burned as well.
Left with permanent problem now.
I dont thinkk there are many of us that can tell our liveries what to do.
Another horse at the same time got its neck burned by rubbing on the bars which were still wet, some kind of black shiny stuff.
We couldlnt do anything about it, they wouldnt even help with the vet bill, and it was one of those yards, that if you say anything you get chucked off. There was nowhere else to go at short notice so didnt report them.
It says on the tub if it is the substitute, which they used after my pony got the chemical burns. He was only 11.3 and the 14h one was not effected, maybe she had a headache, but no bad signs like little one. Vet had to scope bad throat to see how far it had burned as well.
Left with permanent problem now.
I dont thinkk there are many of us that can tell our liveries what to do.
Another horse at the same time got its neck burned by rubbing on the bars which were still wet, some kind of black shiny stuff.
i wonder if a livery yard is classed as agricultural use? Id say not. Clients attending their horses are coming into daily contact with the treated wood (its the old type creosote too).
I wouldn't touch it with a barge pole - too toxic !
I use Biocarbonyl - it's water based (so really east to wash paint brushes and hands after use) and completely non-toxic - you could even drink it (could, not suggesting you do)!
I use Biocarbonyl - it's water based (so really east to wash paint brushes and hands after use) and completely non-toxic - you could even drink it (could, not suggesting you do)!
- i wouldnt even touch the creosote replacements they sell nowadays when it comes to anything around animals. Most of the stuff for fences etc is horrible stuff and only really suitable for rough sawn timber. We use this http://www.cuprinol.co.uk/products/total_treatment_overview.html for our stables. Not the cheapest, but low odour (i didnt smell anything off it at all), dries quickly and totally animal safe when dry.
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