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Hi can anyone advise of feed I can use to put some weight on my old mare, she is well into her 30's and normally she looses weight over the winter and gains it all in the summer which is expected but this summer she just hasnt seemed to of picked up at all :rolleyes: . She is still stabled at night and rugged up because i dont think it has been warm enough yet for her old bones and she is fed twice a day, she gets alpha beet, mollychop and weight gain. I know some of the weight will have something to do with her age any suggestions would be greatly appreciated. She has had her teeth done and she is wormed up to date. Any ideas on how i can some more weight on her because to me she looks awful :(
 
Alfa A OIL (Not the original) is fab. It makes their coat shine and weight comes out of no where. Calm and condition, baileys number 1 cereal mix, and blue chip and topspec are the ones I have tried.

The first two where the best for my ned. PM jessy, shes a brilliant feed expert
 
Hi, OH's horse here needs putting on weight, altough not old, we had a feed specialist come out. And advised stud balancer for all the nutrients and Outshine for the weight gain as has a very high calorie content. Balancers don't have calories but outshine alone would not give full nutrients. This is in a small pellet form and concentrated so vast amounts are not needed.
Only just got the Outshine ourselves, so just passing on the advice given to us regards weight gain, can't speak if it would work yet.
Perhaps Outshine may help your mare?
 
Alfa A OIL (Not the original) is fab. It makes their coat shine and weight comes out of no where. Calm and condition, baileys number 1 cereal mix, and blue chip and topspec are the ones I have tried.

The first two where the best for my ned. PM jessy, shes a brilliant feed expert

Alfa-Oil and Jessey are fabulous, i agree! :D

also make sure that she has ad-lib forage as this is essential for more efficient digestion as well as fibre, as it acts as ctenral heating for horses.

you could try a digestive enhancer - such as Dengie XP Triple Action, NAF Pink Powder or Biotal Equine Gold - as this will make sure she digetss her food properly and gets the most out of it.

good luck!

xxx
 
soya oil and cooked flaked barley -thats what i used on my mare and it worked really well (alongside some chaff and sometimes speedi beet). the oil and barley were the extras. i know you say she's stabled due to her age but i really recommend 24 hour turnout (even if it means the rugs have to stay on...
my mare regularly does the same as yours (loses during winter, gain through summer) but due to my other horse being a fatty they are on restricted grazing so she doesn't get the full extra weight on during the summer. because i was at uni over winter i thought it would be easier for my mare to be out even though it was cold and wet (easier for my mum to look after her ;)) and her weight remained more constant and she has really held it well meaning i didn't have to worry about restricted grazing as much.

My RI has also taken horses that were really skinny but were stabled (fed a lot of buckets but no weight gain). she stuck them out and they looked like different horses- quickly. something to consider. what rugs does she currently wear indoors?
 
Along with her hay at night, get a tub trug and fill it half full with grass nuts and the rest with water and leave with her in her stable over night. You can get them from you're local feed merchant, they are intended so horses and farm animals as farmers use it to fatten their cows as they contain a very high ammount of protien, (they work very well) Also they go like a liquid so are good for older horses that may have teeth problems, as horses can live without any teeth on them. Worth a try worked for me and my equine dentist recommended it to me.

Replace the chop with dodson and horrell alfalfa as is half way between a hard feed and a farage so lots of protien there.

Also adding an oil like cod liver or soya will put weight on oil is just fat which is liquid at room temperature.
:)

ETA: I noticed you're in the north east too, I get them form Englishes the feed place.
 
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Badminton horse feeds do a product that helps weight gain .... tries to think of the name ... http://www.badmintonfeeds.co.uk/ its called Triple Top-Up. Had a lovely long chat with the rep at badminton trials and was impressed (know most was just sales patter:p) I am planning on feeding it to Mr D later in the year as he loses weight over winter.
 
Tried to PM you back but think your box must be full! then found this thread so yo can have my response here, but feel free to PM me again if you want to clarify anything.

A bit about my experiance, we had to have our old boy PTS just before christmas :( unfortunatly old age had just caught up with him and his body would no longer co-operate with his brain :( Phoenix was well into his 30's and had cushings and almost no back teeth left, he also had terrible worm damage from before we got him so keeping the weight on him was pretty hard in the last couple of years, so I got to try lots of things and learnt alot from it! and nutrition is something I am really pasionate about.

Alot of what will work will have to found on trial and error, 'cause depending on what else is going on and the individual some things will work, others won't, its a real pain.

I would start by getting rid of the mollychop, it really is just a bulker and has no real nutritional value, it is just chopped straw covered in molasses (sugars) to make it palatable.
Switch that out for some alfalfa chop - Alfa A/lite/oil by dengie is readily available, but if you can get some Lucibix from Simple systems they are really good, it is pure alfalfa (no mollasses added) compressed into handy chunks which you just soak for 10 mins, this makes them easily digestable and very easy for oldies to manage :D
How does your lass manage with feeds? does she drop a little/lot as he eats? If you find she does you may find switching to a cube rather than a mix and soaking it lightly will make it easier for her and TBH that will make them more digestable so she should get more benifit from an equivilant ammount of feed. I really like Baileys No. 4 top line cubes, I found they were effective and also a very fair price :D I have also used No 1 in the past but again can't get it round here very easily.
I would stick with the alfabeet, its great stuff, it was difficult for me to get it locally so I used speedy beet and grass nuts all soaked together for the same effect.
I also had Phoenix on barley, it is fantastic for weight gain but introduce it slowly, it can make some a bit hyper :rolleyes:
I also fed oil alot, it is really easily digestable and gives lots of calories but won't hype them up :p a cheap and pretty effective option is regular veggie oil from tesco - cheap and easy to get! even more effective is soya oil but we could never find a regular supply! I found the best of all is Linseed, you can get the oil but I found it was expensive that way, getting ground linseed is much more cost effective, I get this one (2nd one down) (simple systems do linseed aswell) and the tub lasts for ages, and it is really easy to feed.

Another way to make the most of the feeds is definatly to feed a probiotic, I used Biotal Equine Gold

Above all else it is absolutely essential that you ensure she is getting adequate vitamins and minerals, oldies need different things to younger horses, the easiest way would be to buy a specially formulated old folk feed or supplement but depending on what else you are feeding and how much of it you might not need to do that :D it is also essential that she gets plenty of really good quality forage all the time.

Re rugging, I totally agree with keeping rugs on if she is cold, but if she is warm then keeping her rugged could well cause weightloss - they can sweat weight off as well as shiver it off! Also if she has any arthritis you may find she isn't grazing as much during the day if she is stiff in the mornings, which standing in can do, sometimes being out can keep them more mobile which means they are more effective at grazing. Its a nightmare with this stupid weather at the moment though, who knows what it will do next!

If you could give us more specifics about your horse, like her type, height, current weight, her character, how good the grass is where you are etc etc then we might be able to be more specific on what might suit her, also do you have any pictures and have you condition scored her?
 
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Jessey - you say oil doesn't hype them up, i know of a few horses where they go a bit mental on oil and the owners won't touch the stuff. my mare hasn't had these affect. my gelding is intolerant to soya oil - but doesn't need any weight gain so i just don't give him any.
 
Interesting coss, I have never known any it hyped up, as in blew their minds though it is high energy so can give them a bit more 'go', but as with anything there is always a few I guess :rolleyes: Oil is a form of slow release energy so 'shouldn't' blow their brains, things like oats and barley however are much more 'hot' energy (fast releasing) so can and often have that effect.
 
Interesting coss, I have never known any it hyped up, as in blew their minds though it is high energy so can give them a bit more 'go', but as with anything there is always a few I guess :rolleyes: Oil is a form of slow release energy so 'shouldn't' blow their brains, things like oats and barley however are much more 'hot' energy (fast releasing) so can and often have that effect.

well one of the horses is an exracehorse who is generally hyper but rideable, he went a bit mad. the other is a sweet little mare in her 30's - they were using it for weight maintenance/gain and they said she was just uncontrollable :eek:
but things like cooked flaked barley seem fine :confused: horses are horses though- some people get hyper on chocolate, some don't i suppose
 
Its funny isn't it how some react totally differently to others, hense my opening with
Alot of what will work will have to be found on trial and error, 'cause depending on what else is going on and the individual some things will work, others won't, its a real pain.
It seems to be like that with all feed, remedies/cures etc never a simple answer :rolleyes: :p
 
Its funny isn't it how some react totally differently to others, hense my opening with
It seems to be like that with all feed, remedies/cures etc never a simple answer :rolleyes: :p

there isn't ever a simple answer, and your opening was very appropriate :)
 
Hi!!!!

Why not give her access to the alpha beet constantly by putting a big bucket of it in her stable at night and I agree with the A-oil. I use spillers conditioning cubes as they are recommended my the ILPH for putting weigh on but not creating loonies.

Good luck and I hope you manage to sort the grand lady out!!!

Nikki xxxx
 
Not really much to add to jessy's.

Presumably if she's stabled she gets given hay?

In which case I would try swapping it to Readigrass (or simliar) All it is is dried green grass. It smells LOVELY:D, very high energy but also high fibre and they love it. You can damped it so it's soft enough to eat if she's finds it hard (although it'll be much easier than hay even dry).

It would be worth buying a bag to try. They're 15kg bags for about £10 and there is LOT of grass in it. It could try her with a full large bucket to much away at over night as see what she thinks of it.
 
im not a nutritionist, of course but ...

my flatmates ancient (also into her 30s!) mare (some kinda welsh/TB/bogpony cross thing and bright orange!) gets alfa oil (1 big scoop), 2 cups of topspec and 2 cups of topspec conditioning flakes. and cortaflex for her arthritis. and lots of hay!

Julia
x
 
Topspec is a good feed balancer I find, Alpha a with oil, corn oil added in diet.
Markway do a cube called Barley Plus, I always swear by it for getting weight on if your horse is ok with barley and it doesnt fizz them up at all :D
 
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