Friesian Breeders on NR

posie said:
wasn't he the person who origonally imported friesians to scotland?
aparently his breeding lines are good but not registered i think?!
(or i could be totally wrong!)
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yep, I think he imported one of the old approved stallions Bjinse many years ago.
I personally prefer to have a registered Friesian.....I wouldn't spend loads of money on an unregistered one, unless I was 100 % certain it was 100% pure Friesian.....otherwise any pure black horse may aswell do, at half the price!:D ----
I heard that some person in Scotland had some kind of permit revoked for x-breeding with dales ponies, and registering them and selling as pure Friesians for lots of money! I don't know who it was, but it was a fair while back....Ive been scepticle ever since lol!
 
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I know of 3 people that have had thier Kiestra horses registered, he did breed pure but fell out with the FPS so they circulated alsorts of stories about him x-breeding to alsorts of breeds?!! The FPS weren't too happy with registering them either and it took them nearly 2 yrs to get the passports and track down all the DNA, some of his BFHS numbers are the FPS numbers on the older mares so it is possible. He did import Bjinse along with some very good mares so the lines are pretty good ones - we have had some really nice youngsters out of our Kiestra mares, including my 3yr old colt Othello, we have a short and rather wobbly video of him on youtube!:p My stallion Wessel also came from Kiestra - he does have FPS papers though, he bought in 3 or 4 new stallions every couple of years so he could introduce new lines.
 
Its really interesting I have heard both sides of the story. Kiestra does produce lovely horses and i have seen other offspring from his stallions and they look and move well. Its ashame all this has happened between the FPS and himself.
 
blackhorses said:
I know of 3 people that have had thier Kiestra horses registered, he did breed pure but fell out with the FPS so they circulated alsorts of stories about him x-breeding to alsorts of breeds?!! The FPS weren't too happy with registering them either and it took them nearly 2 yrs to get the passports and track down all the DNA, some of his BFHS numbers are the FPS numbers on the older mares so it is possible. He did import Bjinse along with some very good mares so the lines are pretty good ones - we have had some really nice youngsters out of our Kiestra mares, including my 3yr old colt Othello, we have a short and rather wobbly video of him on youtube!:p My stallion Wessel also came from Kiestra - he does have FPS papers though, he bought in 3 or 4 new stallions every couple of years so he could introduce new lines.
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wow...so wessel came from kiestra......well thats quality speaking for itself then!!:D I love wessel! Othello is looking rather gorgeous too!
 
If you Google 'Friesian Timeline' it is quite an interesting read, and refers to Herman Kiesrra importing four mares and the stallion Bjinse 241 to Inverness-shire in 1978.

I haven't been aware of the controversy regarding him and the societies, but I did hear that he seemed, latterly at least, to have lost his way with the breeding lines, and also that some of his horses were being born with white on their feet (?).

I seem to remember someone saying that he'd sold most of his young stock (possibly through someone near Perth), and that he'd relocated, taking some few mares with him, but I may be misinformed.

I do know that when he comes up in conversation, he doesn't very often get a favourable response........however he may just be a victim of Chinese whispers.

There was another man (a traveller) in Fife who bred a lot of Friesians for a while till a few years ago..........I've seen a few of his and they looked the biz, at least.

In fact I used one of them over my (coloured mw) mare three years ago, and I still have the two year old colt here.........but then I'm breeding to my own program, so the intricate details of the breed, although very interesting, don't really concern me to the same extent as serious Friesian breeders.

There was a beautiful Baroque stallion just north of Montrose two or three years ago who, to my eye, was a fantastic example of the breed..........however, when I went back to see how he was doing, I found that he was no longer alive, and that his owner had sourced another from Holland which, although very well bred, with lots of 'performance' in his blood, just did nothing for me as he was totally different from the previous one.

I don't know much about the breed history, but it seems to me that the 'modern' horses are quite removed from the old fashioned original stamp and, for me, that's not a good thing for the breed.

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Mr. Kiestra has moved to Canada, he did take a few horses with him to start a breeding program over there - not bad for a guy well in his 80's!!, he has family over there that is why he has gone over.
Occasionally the odd one of his horses did have white on it, but that is in the gene pool anyway and pops up more regularly than you think - it is totally random too, we had a colt with white feet out of a mare that always throws pure blacks - I thought it looked quite smart he went to a lady in London who thought it was too and would make her horse stand out!!:D He was also blue black, I heard somewhere the blue blacks are more likely to have white that is why they are so difficult to breed maybe the 2 are closely linked? Wessel is blue black though, he never fades which is nice! You will find any of the big breeders will pass the ones with white on out the back door as they don't want people to know thier lines have it, but all the lines have it that's why it is so random, white on the face is another one that pops up too, a small white star is permissable though. I have heard of people dying the white parts of thier horses to show them!!:rolleyes: or plucking them out.
One of the breeds founding stallions, can't remember which:o, roaned out grey as he got older and alot of his offspring had grey in thier coat and white markings, they stopped breeding from him, but when they started getting problems from inbreeding with the remaining 2 stallions they had to bring him back in, so it is in the base stock to start with. And they used to come in chestnut and grey - hence the occassional red friesian pops up, means they have a few colours hidden away in the genes!
 
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Mr. Kiestra has moved to Canada, he did take a few horses with him to start a breeding program over there - not bad for a guy well in his 80's!!, he has family over there that is why he has gone over.
Occasionally the odd one of his horses did have white on it, but that is in the gene pool anyway and pops up more regularly than you think - it is totally random too, we had a colt with white feet out of a mare that always throws pure blacks - I thought it looked quite smart he went to a lady in London who thought it was too and would make her horse stand out!!:D He was also blue black, I heard somewhere the blue blacks are more likely to have white that is why they are so difficult to breed maybe the 2 are closely linked? Wessel is blue black though, he never fades which is nice! You will find any of the big breeders will pass the ones with white on out the back door as they don't want people to know thier lines have it, but all the lines have it that's why it is so random, white on the face is another one that pops up too, a small white star is permissable though. I have heard of people dying the white parts of thier horses to show them!!:rolleyes: or plucking them out.
One of the breeds founding stallions, can't remember which:o, roaned out grey as he got older and alot of his offspring had grey in thier coat and white markings, they stopped breeding from him, but when they started getting problems from inbreeding with the remaining 2 stallions they had to bring him back in, so it is in the base stock to start with. And they used to come in chestnut and grey - hence the occassional red friesian pops up, means they have a few colours hidden away in the genes!
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its interesting about the white....I realise it can crop up in any line, and the approved stallions are judged on their offspring % with white marks.....never knew of one that roaned out though!
I went to view a stallion in Germany last year.....gorgeous horse, 7 years, but he had white hairs spurting through everywhere - face, neck and front legs were the most prominent. It was a shame, as I liked him, but his price tag was high, for a Friesian with alot of white.
I do think the chestnut friesians are 'interesting'....never yet met one in the flesh though.
 
Midori said:
Hi Blitzen,

I am moving to West Sussex soon, and I am hoping eventually to buy a Ride and Drive Friesian (or maybe 2).

Could we perhaps meet up when I get there?

Cheers, Midori
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Hi Midori....would love to meet up....drop me a PM when you are settled!!
 
i have covered my welsh section c mare to a friends friesian stallion so ive got my fingers crossed for a friesian cross haha

on my old yard there were absoluty stunning
 
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