Latest disaster!!

really sorry to hear that you have had another interesting experience.

a problem that is impossible to quantify is what feels sharp and over responsive to one rider feels perfect to another.

i think you need to be more analytical about the horse before you get on. watch it more closely being ridden by someone else. actually go and see lessons, watch a horse you know or have ridden being ridden by other people. see how differently they go. you need to be able to critique a horse and rider as it will help you to work out what is good/bad. now i can tell you watching a horse and rider where it is not working, not that i could do any better myself, but i can at least say, that horse is being ridden beautifully or not. at a local show in the summer, i went up to one of the riders afterwards just to tell her how nicely she showed her horse - it wasn't the nicest horse in the class but it was the best schooled and beautifully presented and ridden, made it look so easy.

when you go to see one, watch it being ridden, ask questions, if you have any doubts at all, just don't get on. it's not worth it, getting hurt or frightened. there are hundred of horses out there for sale, so be more critical, it isn't the end of the world if you don't buy a horse this week, month. back off, take more time.

i am worrying about you. concerned that you are so hell bent on finding a horse that common sense and self protection are going out of the window and you are taking risks which so far have been ok but could go very wrong.

you need to get to the stage of eliminating the ones you shouldn't even bother going to see, so the idea of absolute nos and absolute yesses on a list is good.

for example, i looked at the criollo site, the only one i thought might remotely suit you was the one that was blind in one eye, the rest were too forward/sharp/sensitive. i went to try out at a yard in epsom where they had a lot of imports, mainly spanish/russian, before i had lost my confidence they would have been my cup of tea, I didn't ride any of them as i could see i would just freeze on them. they were all very active, free going, i just at that time wasn't up for it, so not worth doing it.

another simple example - went on a riding holiday in spain with a friend. she can ride dressage tests very nicely but doesn't like horses that are too forward, but she knows how to ask the right question on a schooled horse. me i don't. i don't do school work. the leader rode a chestnut mare, in a hackamore, she was a typical fiery chestnut, if my friend had ridden her, she would have tensed and grabbed at her and got bolted with. or bashed in the face with the mare throwing her head up - which she did to the ride leader!

on the last day of the holiday i asked if i could ride her - they didn't normally let any of the guests ride her. she went fine, as i never touched her mouth and was quiet and relaxed with her. you sort of rode her semi western and she was light and sweet so long as you sat on the buckle. and trusted her. i liked her, wanted to bring her home with me. my friend would never have got on her, but then the horse she rode she got a better tune out of him than i would have.

same horse, two riders one would have hated her, one loved her.

please take some pressure off yourself, have a bit of a break, be more ruthless and do a spanish inquisition on any that you are thinking of going to see - i.e. if you had known this horse had only been under saddle for 4 months you would never have gone to see it - so why did this not come out in the initial discussions. best to have a long conversation about the horse before you go to see than waste so much time seeing ones that don't really suit.
 
Hows the knee doing?

hats off to you that you still have some motivation to continue your search!! Really.... no ....extremely shocked to read some of the situations you have been put in

Having experienced buying and also selling i just can not imagine what goes through some seller brains? Are we really in a climate that we are that desperate to sell? we say anything just to get the person along?

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Thanks guys, some really good points here.

Thanks for your list Libbyo. I do ask almost all of those questions (plus a few more :wink:) because like you say, I don't want to drive miles if it's not going to be what I'm after. I do rule out A LOT of horses - just ask anyone who has ever suggested a pony they've seen advertised! I feel bad saying no to people who have been to the trouble to suggest them but I really do only call those that sound right. I think I will stick more rigidly now to your suggested rule though of only over 8yrs old - I have been letting that one slip when people tell me "oh but they act 10yrs older" or "old head on young body".

I also didn't know about sweating or having no access to water could be a sign of drugging, so thank you. I like your plan of what to do after trying horses too so will follow that from now on.

Skib - I think you are right - horses can be trained or retrained. But I need something that doesn't have to be as I have no school, no field to ride in, and also I dont have the time or confidence to do that. I need something ready made, tried and tested, that I can hop on and off of while the children are at preschool and have a nice leisurely hack.

Mary Poppins - I find it hard to trust my instincts as someone rightly told me I have an over active self preservation mindset! My brain constantly tells me not to do things, when it shouldn't. If I listened to it all the time, I'd never ride again. Not even the horses I know and trust. If I had listened I would not have cantered on Stockly through a wood - but I'm glad I didn't because it was wonderful and I felt so good afterwards. So I find it hard to listen to my instinct.

But I do watch carefully when the owner rides a horse. And if it looks likes the horse is too whizzy or they are working hard to get them to listen, or 100 other things then the most I would do is walk - like the beautiful coloured mare. Libbyo - if it bucked or was silly in canter I wouldn't even have gone to see it let alone sit on it!!
 
What a nightmare! :(

I SO wish you were closer to here.... I'd find you something. Even my Kicsi (who is much bigger than you want!) was unbacked when I got her, but had a novice on her after a couple of months. She is SO laid back, and DOES require a firm aid to get her shifting! ;)

Have you given any more thought to Jude from Ireland who finds people horses? She has a fantastic success rate, and has access to some FAB horses...and she's a little closer to you than Hungary! ;)

It does keep going round in the back of my head! I think I'd have to go for a wekend though rather than a day as I could never make a decision that quickly :giggle: But if Cortrasna can't find one over there, could I?
 
My first horse was a 15.2 Hanoverian x Tb, just turned 13, and had spent the last 5 years as a brood mare. As a youngster, she'd tried to jump a fence and damaged her foot, causing ringbone.. this never bothered her in the two years I owned her, I only sold her on, because I was ready for something that could jump, as she wasn't able to, it might have set off her old injury..
She was the quietest, sweetest mare I have ever know, she never bit, kicked, gave a grumpy face, she always greeted me everyday by throwing her head up and down, a bit like black beauty does in the film with Sean Bean in, and neighing at me, excitedly.
She'd been taught dressage in the past, so knew some moves, I just wasn't good at them, so never really called upon her to do them. She was also a very patient horse, and that surprised me with her breeding an all..

Dark storm - how did you end up buying a brood mare? Did it not worry you that you didn't know much about her ridden history? HappyHacker on here has found a nice, calm, kind brood mare who used to do sponsored rides and be a happy hacker 4 years ago but has been used as a broodmare for a reputable show pony breeder. I'd be interested to hear what your experiences were when you first got yours?
 
So sorry to hear about another disaster LWTB! Though, not all bad as you say.

I do hope your knee is feeling a bit better today. As it happens the horse I was riding yesterday apparently decided that only one NR with a sore knee simply wasn't enough, and walked me right in to a fence post! I have a rather unsightly bruised and swollen knee cap with the strangest bit right where I hit it where the impact appears to have burst all the blood vessels! :hot:...I think it might be sympathy pains for you.

Out of interest do you have an RI just now, or get lessons at all? Just I know when the time comes for me to look for a horse the first person I would be asking is my RI (who also happens to be HappyHacker101's RI, and who found Rocky for her).
 
really sorry to hear that you have had another interesting experience.

a problem that is impossible to quantify is what feels sharp and over responsive to one rider feels perfect to another.

i think you need to be more analytical about the horse before you get on. watch it more closely being ridden by someone else. actually go and see lessons, watch a horse you know or have ridden being ridden by other people. see how differently they go. you need to be able to critique a horse and rider as it will help you to work out what is good/bad. now i can tell you watching a horse and rider where it is not working, not that i could do any better myself, but i can at least say, that horse is being ridden beautifully or not. at a local show in the summer, i went up to one of the riders afterwards just to tell her how nicely she showed her horse - it wasn't the nicest horse in the class but it was the best schooled and beautifully presented and ridden, made it look so easy.

when you go to see one, watch it being ridden, ask questions, if you have any doubts at all, just don't get on. it's not worth it, getting hurt or frightened. there are hundred of horses out there for sale, so be more critical, it isn't the end of the world if you don't buy a horse this week, month. back off, take more time.

i am worrying about you. concerned that you are so hell bent on finding a horse that common sense and self protection are going out of the window and you are taking risks which so far have been ok but could go very wrong.

you need to get to the stage of eliminating the ones you shouldn't even bother going to see, so the idea of absolute nos and absolute yesses on a list is good.

for example, i looked at the criollo site, the only one i thought might remotely suit you was the one that was blind in one eye, the rest were too forward/sharp/sensitive. i went to try out at a yard in epsom where they had a lot of imports, mainly spanish/russian, before i had lost my confidence they would have been my cup of tea, I didn't ride any of them as i could see i would just freeze on them. they were all very active, free going, i just at that time wasn't up for it, so not worth doing it.

another simple example - went on a riding holiday in spain with a friend. she can ride dressage tests very nicely but doesn't like horses that are too forward, but she knows how to ask the right question on a schooled horse. me i don't. i don't do school work. the leader rode a chestnut mare, in a hackamore, she was a typical fiery chestnut, if my friend had ridden her, she would have tensed and grabbed at her and got bolted with. or bashed in the face with the mare throwing her head up - which she did to the ride leader!

on the last day of the holiday i asked if i could ride her - they didn't normally let any of the guests ride her. she went fine, as i never touched her mouth and was quiet and relaxed with her. you sort of rode her semi western and she was light and sweet so long as you sat on the buckle. and trusted her. i liked her, wanted to bring her home with me. my friend would never have got on her, but then the horse she rode she got a better tune out of him than i would have.

same horse, two riders one would have hated her, one loved her.

please take some pressure off yourself, have a bit of a break, be more ruthless and do a spanish inquisition on any that you are thinking of going to see - i.e. if you had known this horse had only been under saddle for 4 months you would never have gone to see it - so why did this not come out in the initial discussions. best to have a long conversation about the horse before you go to see than waste so much time seeing ones that don't really suit.

Hit the nail on the head there! Some good advice here LWTB
 
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