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Thyme & Me

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My new horse Thyme is arriving on Sunday :dance::dance:

So I’ll start the diary with an introduction....
Thyme is a 3 year old Irish Draught X Irish Sport Horse. Sire was Rebelara, who was a showjumper, and dam is an Eventer, so in theory she should be able to jump! Hope so as that is what I want to do with her, though not remotely to the scary heights (no pun intended :rolleyes:) of her parents....

She has done a fair bit of groundwork and has impeccable manners:angel: She was introduced to tack in the summer and was ridden for short periods. However then the trainer/owner broke her wrist and the backing process stalled. She was therefore sold as unbacked and I need to start again.:help:

She is a grey and will probably make 16hh.

Pics to follow, once she is safely home....
 
Teaching Thyme

“When the student is ready the teacher appears......”


I’ve decided to write a diary about our time together. Why? Well partly to have an on-going record of our developing relationship, partly to force me to spend time thinking/reflecting on what I am trying to achieve with her and partly because I am hoping that Thyme will teach me as much (or more) about myself as I am able to teach her about getting along as a domesticated animal:nerd:

In the past few years I have changed my life around totally. I went from an overweight unfit smoker to an endurance athlete. In July I completed an ironman triathlon (2.4 miles swim, 112 mile bike ride, 26.2 mile run – non-stop) after training for 2 years for it. I was totally dedicated and focused. This, for me, was more than just a race. It was proof that anyone can do anything if they really want to. And that commitment to a goal is possible for anyone, even someone like me who have never before managed to finish anything I started, and who couldn't run more than a couple of hundred metres when I first started running.

The secret to successfully doing endurance events for me was dogged determination, total focus and singe minded pursuit of a goal. All very useful. BUT in some areas of my life those same characteristics are problematic for me. ‘Dogged’ determination in pursuit of a goal is what predators are good at. My predator-instincts were very helpful in a sport like ultra running, when you can latch onto your ‘prey’ and follow them for miles or when you can relentlessly pursue a single goal :running: But disadvantages are that I’m not very good at flow, compromise, flexibility. So when I can’t control something I get stressed and try and FORCE my will onto something I really should be directing in more subtle ways – or even accepting the absence of control. So I find myself swimming against the tide. And nowhere more so than with my kids and with my horses!!

I shout at my kids for being noisy. Get angry with them for having tantrums. Argue with them for being argumentative, snipe at them for being narky :rolleyes: When dealing with horses, I also try to control and I get stressed when things aren’t going to plan. I try to force the issue if a ‘disagreement’ or miscommunication crops up. And I get very, very frustrated when I feel out of control :furious: Horses and kids press those ‘not in control’ buttons quite often. And I want to learn a different way of being around them and of dealing with issues that arise. :balanced:

Horses, of course, are not predatory but are prey. So they are predisposed to respond in each moment to what’s around them rather than to plan ahead by setting and pursuing goals. To see the bigger picture rather than to narrow in on one thing. They need to communicate danger rapidly and to rely on instinct and the herd. Their communications are subtle but crucially important as understanding and communicating with each other were often life and death issues for them in the wild. They are born followers but need to have trust in who they are following. And what they think of as a trustworthy leader may not be the sort of goal driven, focussed, controlling person that I am at the moment! I think I could learn a lot from horses. But first I need to get out of my own way, and learn to listen to them. That’s what I hope to do with Thyme. I want to teach her the things she needs to know to be a reliable, ridden horse. And I want her to teach me how to be a good horse-leader.......
 
She was an angel. She has only travelled twice before and she was in the trailer for 2+ hours but got out as f she's been travelling all her life. Beautiful isn't she! I'd hardly believe she was 3 if it wasn't for those leggy legs!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UajIO...1ADlcqyer53mT3

The she walked down the track to the field with no bother, though she was in a totally unfamiliar environment. 9 year old Charlie is more on his toes than 3 year old Thyme.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vxtho...szAT_ehkIooZYl

Introducing her to Charlie. They have settled together brilliantly. Best pals already

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ifJN-...szAT_ehkIooZYl

Lovely leggy girl

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Yummy hay!


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Best pals.


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Thyme-Out

I have had Thyme for almost a week and we have been getting to know each other. I have found out that MARES ARE MUCKY!!! (At least this one is). So she is going to live out! Pics (not for the faint-hearted) on this thread:

http://www.newrider.com/forum/showthread.php?t=228721

I have also found out she speaks Parelli. And I don't! As I discovered when I took her into the sand-school and she was offering lots of lovely responses that I didn't want to cues I didn't know I was giving :rolleyes:

Luckily there is someone who does Parelli on the yard who has given me a crash-course which has avoided lots of misunderstandings between Thyme and me. Such as she is walking ahead of me because she thinks that is the right thing to do (by just one head) not because she lacks manners! And she slows down with rope wiggling not pressure/release. She will eventually need to learn my language, but it helps to be able to speak a bit of hers in the meantime! She is a quick learner, and keen to please and has already learnt that I want her on my shoulder, not in front.

Anyway, here we are on a lovely walk out. (With handy Parelli person!) She coped brilliantly with cars, tractors, dogs and even SHOOTING! Chilled horsey:cool::cool:


DSC01319 by Team KP Nut, on Flickr


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She is basically GORGEOUS and has her hooves firmly under the table. This morning she came straight over from the far end of the field to say hello before Charlie (visible in the background) bothered to grace me with his prescence....


DSC01307 by Team KP Nut, on Flickr

....and I've had him 3 years!! Bless her....

Random lovely pics for no particular reason...


DSC01316 by Team KP Nut, on Flickr

A great first week.
She has settled in beautifully and seems very happy. She coped fine with a long walk out. I hve also taught her to stand still (imperfectly but she is improving). I used a weird Mark Rashid visualisation technique to get her feet stuck to the floor.... Happy to elaborate if anyone is interested. But it's a little odd.... Next step: long-reining. But that's for next week!
 
Week 2 (Unwanted) Thyme-Out

And it was all going so well.....

Thyme is my ‘teacher’, but I reckon events can be good teachers too. On Sunday the day after updating this blog, I brought Thyme and Charlie in to work them both. As I was turning them out (leading them together....) a JCB started up and moved at the same time in Charlie’s peripheral vision. He didn’t put his trust in me. :( Instead he reacted according to his own instinct and jumped sideways, knocking me down and spooking Thyme too. I fell between the 2 of them and they ran, trampling me. I felt hooves connect with my arm, knee and head. ‘Oh that’s not good’ I thought as I lost consciousness.

I came round after about 30 seconds according to my son, who was with me, but couldn’t move for quite a while. It is that memory of me helpless in the freezing slushy yard that has got me thinking. How to respond? Just one of those things? Horses are horses?? All horses can be unpredictable??? Well, yes, that is all true. And Charlie has never taken off with me – or anyone else – before. But I have a nagging doubt that maybe this should NOT have happened.

Charlie generally seems willing to trust me: I can groom all over his body and move all of his feet at will – forwards, backwards, sideways. He leads on a loose lead rein. He backs up with slight pressure. He backs away from the stable door. He waits politely when I have opened his stable, making no attempt to barge past me. All signs (I thought) of trust and respect in me as a leader. But when the chips were down, he looked to his own instincts.

This made me think of something Anna Reeves wrote on a thread about humans needing to learn how NOT to behave like predators while horses have to learn how NOT to behave like prey animals. Yes, horses can be unpredictable but a sign of a good parternship is if they can suppress their own instincts and place their trust in us. He didn’t. So does Charlie REALLY trust me? And if not, why can I do all those things so easily with him?

I have come to the conclusion that I am confusing TRUST with TRAINING. He backs away from the stable door, because I have trained him to. He backs up with light pressure because I have trained him to. He leads on a loose lead rope, stands still in his own space etc etc etc because I have TRAINED him to. But he does not do other ‘trust/respect’ things that have not been explicitly trained. He will tread on my toes. He will nudge my pockets for a treat. He will use me as a scratching post on occasion. I have never really minded these things so I have not trained him not to do them. But I now believe that these casual signs of ‘affection’ or clumsiness are actually evidence of disregard of me as a leader. He would NEVER shove his head in a higher ranking horse’s face or tread on their toes. What does it say about how he views me, that I let him do these things to me.

So lesson 1: Re-establish boundaries. Re-establish leadership credentials. Sadly not straight away because I have been house-bound :cry: I was unable to help my escaped horses. They were fetched by someone else while I was carted off to hospital and others from the yard have been looking after them. (Can you tell by the ridiculous post count of the last few days!!:rolleyes:)

I have consoled myself with some retail therapy and bought this book:

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Fearless-Ho...=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1328204124&sr=1-1

Strange really, as it was a fairly whimsical purchase based on not much.... I had planned to buy a Slyvia Loch book next. Perhaps the ‘fearless’ horse bit appealed. But amazingly every page just summed up:
a) my hopes for Thyme and this blog
b) my recent musings about respect
c) the bits I like best from Mark Rashid, Monty Roberts, Clinton Anderson, Heather Moffet & Parelli!

Weird. There is even lots written about the ‘energy centres’ stuff I mentioned last time I posted. There is lots of ‘directing energy’ to places with mental focus or intent. Very ‘Rashid’. The author is a BHSI. And bred Primmore’s Pride – 2 times Badminton winner. So a fair degree of credibility. She turned to nh when a colt she had was about to be PTS because he was dangerously uncontrollable. Nh was his last chance - and was very successful with him.

Anyway, I have read the book from cover to cover and here are a few sentences that have got me excited: “Every effort to learn his language will be appreciated by your horse: he himself is absolutely fluent in the use of body language to communicate, and a very good teacher if you allow him to teach you.”.... “to enable your horse to give his very best performance you need him to be offering you quality in his work because he wants to please you and he respects you as his elected leader – not in submission to dominance”... “we need to learn to overcome our predatorial behaviour; they in turn need to act less instinctively like prey animals”. Yes!

And lesson 1 – as luck would have it – is on ‘Developing Respect for Your Personal Space” – no matter how challenging the circumstance! As I said before.... when the student is ready the teacher appears. Perhaps the universe decided I needed to be just a bit more ready and receptive..... :wink:

Today I got to the yard. Hurray! Finally. Just managed to hobble up to the field and brought Thyme in for lesson 1: backing her out of my space, never yielding to her. It was bit of an eye opener and again reinforced this idea about the difference between TRAINING and RESPECT. Thyme leads beautifully (as she has been trained....) But when I stopped to talk to a friend Thyme casually took a couple of steps in my direction while hoovering up stray wisps of hay. I would normally have stepped away without even thinking about it – giving her a very powerful message about our respective ‘rank’. I didn’t. I squared up to her and bumped her with the rope. She backed away again and I dropped the posture and went back to chatting with my friend while Thyme patiently waited. I then took her into the school and we worked on her backing away from me, just from my body language. She picked it up very quickly. And her head dropped in that nice, willingly submissive ‘ok I’m listening’ way. Charlie’s turn tomorrow.... (Leg not up to working both horses in one day)

Feeling positive about this..... As they say – everything happens for a reason! :skip:
 
I've just read this latest post in your diary and nodded along completely identifying with your thoughts - I have spent lots of time doing clicker with my horse to improve my control of his feet. Case in point - I did five minutes of forehand yield, carrot stretches and backing up with me just walking towards him at liberty. All executed perfectly. Then I got some hay out and traipsed over to a non muddy bit of field to let him eat. I always pause to let him grab a mouthful and he then followed me to the heap - but this time he ended up right behind me and almost pushed me out the way in his desire for feed. I tried backing him up but he wouldn't budge - understandably when I had hay. I need to re-establish boundaries and not give an inch like you suggest as he is the first to run when something goes wrong and I want him to see me as his leader full time - not part of the time. I just wonder how difficult that might be when it's been almost three years of or existing arrangement!
 
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I've just read this latest post in your diary and nodded along completely identifying with your thoughts - I have spent lots of time doing clicker with my horse to improve my control of his feet. Case in point - I did five minutes of forehand yield, carrot stretches and backing up with me just walking towards him at liberty. All executed perfectly. Then I got some hay out and traipsed over to a non muddy bit of field to let him eat. I always pause to let him grab a mouthful and he then followed me to the heap - but this time he ended up right behind me and almost pushed me out the way in his desire for feed. I tried backing him up but he wouldn't budge - understandably when I had hay. I need to re-establish boundaries and not give an inch like you suggest as he is the first to run when something goes wrong and I want him to see me as his leader full time - not part of the time. I just wonder how difficult that might be when it's been almost three years of or existing arrangement!

That's really interesting FM. After working with Thyme yesterday I put her back out. In the meantime the farmer had put a pile of hay in the field which Charlie was munching on. Charlie outranks Thyme. She lowered her head, shot sidelong glances at C and inched forward slowly, watching him to see if that was allowed. Somewhat different to marching into the hay and nudging C in the back! Horses really DO have a sense of what is and is not allowed in herds. They figure it out very quickly. I need to make sure they know WE have boundaries too, and they need to respect ours.

Re clicker training, I really like it and used it a lot with a very clever Shetland before she was old enough to ride, to keep her active brain occupied. But Mark Rashid says something interesting about it in Horsemanship Through Life. He says, Clicker is effective in communicating what you want and horses will generally be very motivated to comply. So it can be very very useful. BUT it has no place in a horse's natural behaviour - horses just don't treat each other. So it will not communicate anything about leadership. Also fear is a much more powerful motivator than food so clicker is ineffective at trying to distract or redirect a truly frightened horse. He says he went a to a clicker demo in America and the horse went bananas! Just overwhelmed by the lights/crowds. Neither the training itself not the relationship with the trainer was enough to reassure the horse. So clicker has a place for sure, but I think I agree with your view that I need to establish ground rules/boundaries in ways they understand alongside techniques like clicker. :)
 
Have just bought the Fearless Horse myself - you are a very bad influence!! Having said that, I really do need to work on my space boundaries with Tobes. I almost 'wear him' and because we have been together a while, this looks good as it seems to give advice with horses you have had for a while.

Thyme sounds lovely, and you have got in on the ground floor early in your relationship which should be much easier.
 
Re clicker training, I really like it and used it a lot with a very clever Shetland before she was old enough to ride, to keep her active brain occupied. But Mark Rashid says something interesting about it in Horsemanship Through Life. He says, Clicker is effective in communicating what you want and horses will generally be very motivated to comply. So it can be very very useful. BUT it has no place in a horse's natural behaviour - horses just don't treat each other. So it will not communicate anything about leadership. Also fear is a much more powerful motivator than food so clicker is ineffective at trying to distract or redirect a truly frightened horse. He says he went a to a clicker demo in America and the horse went bananas! Just overwhelmed by the lights/crowds. Neither the training itself not the relationship with the trainer was enough to reassure the horse. So clicker has a place for sure, but I think I agree with your view that I need to establish ground rules/boundaries in ways they understand alongside techniques like clicker. :)

This makes absolute sense, and I guess I sort of knew that clicker wasn't useful for everything - it only works in certain circumstances and I've used it for things like mounting, hoof lifting, etc. What you've written about Mark Rashid just confirms my suspicions and I will endeavour to do more and more with him - moving around without the clicker. I guess this depends on us all being uber disciplined in not letting them even take an inch.
Funny, I watch my horse being bossed about in the field by his fieldmate and how he doesn't stand for anything and Flipo toes the line perfectly. I just don't know how best to recreate the body language he uses to mimic this. Food for thought, and will certainly be inspecting this book you speak of.
 
Thyme For Work

Week 3

Still struggling with headaches, dizziness, fatigue and a very stiff, sore knee. :(
So have only managed 3 sessions. But they seemed productive.
I've bridled her and done some in-hand work in the bridle to teach her to stop & back up with rein cues.
I've long-reined, and she has picked it up beautifully.
I've put a saddle on and lunged and long reined her in that (plus the bridle).
And I've continued practising lessons 1-3 in Fearless Horse. She is doing very well now with backing up, and beginning to understand shoulders over, though she tends to scoot backwards too, unless her bum is parked next to the wall!

Weather has been AWFUL. So not much chance to get out and about, but we have an indoor school so at least we are getting some work done.

I have decided to enter an in-hand interdressage test with her in the next couple of weeks. The test basically covers all the things we are practising in Fearless Horse, so it will be nice to get some objective feedback.

This is the test we'll be attempting...

http://www.interdressage.com/testdetails.php?testid=pht3

And I'm showing her in March!!!!!! Very VERY excited to take my girlie out into the big wide world..... :) :)
 
Quick update: Practised the test I posted above today and Thyme was as good as gold!! Moving her shoulders over nicely. Backing up 3 nice paces, in smooth diagnonal pairs. :wub: Didn't do any of the trot though as I can't bl00dy run still. Grrrr. So fed up of having a lovely new horse and being injured within the first week of her arriving. AND I've got a cold now! Ok, whinge over. She was lovely. I'll focus on that :skip: Charlie has not been ridden since my accident as my knee can't cope with riding. I feel guilty but I'm sure he's loving it!
 
Walking-Thyme

Week 4

Focus this week has been on lessons 4-10 in Fearless Horse. Finding her 'Go' button was surprisingly easy. Press on her side where the girth goes and she moves off! Simples! Block forward motion with a variety of halt/back cues and she stops. Lovely. So I'm very pleased with her :inlove:

I also practised in-hand leading trying to get her responsive to me, in readiness for our Practical Horsemanship Test. I took some video so would be interesting in anyone's views. I think she's doing fine for a 3yo. She is quite distractible - looking over to her left. But her horsey pals were in the field on her left, and she's only a baby. I like the way when I stop very abruptly, she stops as if she has bumped into a wall! And when I walk very slowly she follow my feet movements. Bless her. I don't think I give her enough praise/encouragement, looking back at the clip, but hopefully she can tell from my body language that she is doing the right thing..... I am aware that the test is several minutes and I can't keep patting her during it, which us why I am asking for a series of correct responses before stopping and patting her. But maybe that is expecting a bit much?


http://youtu.be/ch_T6hssJEQ

In other news: practised long-reining again which was a lot more successful this time round! Even managed a figure of 8 in the school. Might be brave and take her out into the big wide world next week....... :eek:

The only backwards step is that she has been trying to head-butt/rub/nudge again. Grrr. I think the personal space aspect is not something that can be trained and then left. I think it needs to be reinforced over and over again. Perhaps it is inevitable that she will 'challenge' me from time to time and I need to see this as normal, not a step back?
 
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