Whats the difference between a TB and a Warmblood?
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Skib, All horses have the same blood temperature. Hot, warm and cold blooded horses are just different TYPES. Generally the heavier the horse (like draught horses), the colder the blood. It just means they are generally much calmer, hardier and more laid back. Hot blooded horses are generally stressy, harder to keep, and highly strung. The main hotbloods are in our country are T/B's and Arabs.
As others have said, if you cross a hotblood with a coldblood, you would call it warmblooded.
A Warmblood, (with a capital "W") is a "manufactured" breed, using a T/B (or similar light breed), crossed with another breed, depending on whether its a Dutch Warmblood, Swedish Warmblood or whatever. So basically its a crossbreed, which has been turned officially into a new breed. There is probably a rule, like it has to be a certain percentage of T/B, and a certain percentage of whatever the other breeds are.
Hope this makes sense
As others have said, if you cross a hotblood with a coldblood, you would call it warmblooded.
A Warmblood, (with a capital "W") is a "manufactured" breed, using a T/B (or similar light breed), crossed with another breed, depending on whether its a Dutch Warmblood, Swedish Warmblood or whatever. So basically its a crossbreed, which has been turned officially into a new breed. There is probably a rule, like it has to be a certain percentage of T/B, and a certain percentage of whatever the other breeds are.
Hope this makes sense
Swiss Warmblood - Early stock came from the Swedish Einsiedler. During the 17th century Turkish, Italian, Spanish and Friesian stallions were introduced to their breeding. They found that these breeds didn't improve the breed much, so in the 19th century they introduced a Yorkshire Coach Horse stallion and Anglo-Norman mares, and a bit later the introduction of the Holsteiner.
Then in the 20th century, French, Irish, T/B, German and Swedish blood was added.
Young stallions are tested for athletic ability, and confirmation.
So basically a glorified Heinz 57!
Swedish Warmblood - A complete mixture again of local stock and stock from Turkey, Hungary, England, Russia, France, Germany and Spain. This stock was used by the military. It was quite coarse in appearance, so later it was improved using T/B, Hanoverian, Arab, and Trakehner.
These stallions are now tested for their paces, athletic ability, confirmation and temperament.
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Then in the 20th century, French, Irish, T/B, German and Swedish blood was added.
Young stallions are tested for athletic ability, and confirmation.
So basically a glorified Heinz 57!
Swedish Warmblood - A complete mixture again of local stock and stock from Turkey, Hungary, England, Russia, France, Germany and Spain. This stock was used by the military. It was quite coarse in appearance, so later it was improved using T/B, Hanoverian, Arab, and Trakehner.
These stallions are now tested for their paces, athletic ability, confirmation and temperament.
Will be back x
Dutch Warmblood - A relatively young breed.
Bred from the Groningen, Gelderland, T/B, Trakehner and Oldenburgh.
Stallions are tested for temperament, athletic ability, intelligence, confirmation and movement.
Mares are also tested and resulting progeny monitered for successes and failures.
Danish Warmblood - Bred from the Frederiksborg and T/B. Later improved by the Trakehner, Wielkopolski, Selle Fancais and more T/B.
Also stallions are tested to keep high quality.
Belgian Warmblood - Relatively new breed, developed especially for competition.
Evolved as a result of breeding their lighter agricultural horses, with the Gelderland. Further developed later using Holsteiner, Selle Francais, Hanoverian, T/B, Anglo Arab and Dutch Warmbloods.
Well, I learnt something from reading all that!!
Bred from the Groningen, Gelderland, T/B, Trakehner and Oldenburgh.
Stallions are tested for temperament, athletic ability, intelligence, confirmation and movement.
Mares are also tested and resulting progeny monitered for successes and failures.
Danish Warmblood - Bred from the Frederiksborg and T/B. Later improved by the Trakehner, Wielkopolski, Selle Fancais and more T/B.
Also stallions are tested to keep high quality.
Belgian Warmblood - Relatively new breed, developed especially for competition.
Evolved as a result of breeding their lighter agricultural horses, with the Gelderland. Further developed later using Holsteiner, Selle Francais, Hanoverian, T/B, Anglo Arab and Dutch Warmbloods.
Well, I learnt something from reading all that!!
Thanks for the great info everyone. It is confusing but really interesting. I might have to buy some more books and read up properly.
Ok so if warmblooded is a type and Warmblood is a breed...how did the breed come about
In my opinion a Warmblood is a well establish warmblooded animal which came about from breeding a coldblood with a hotblood with specific, consistant characteristics that allow it to become its own.
In my opinion a Warmblood is a well establish warmblooded animal which came about from breeding a coldblood with a hotblood with specific, consistant characteristics that allow it to become its own.
And to make it even more confusing a lot of WB stallions are approved for other books. The folk who own Belle's sire also have an approved Danish WB stallion that is almost 100% KWPN by bloodlines.
The big difference with the WB stud books is that they examine and approve the stallions. Most but not all assess the mares in the same way. While this doesn't mean the animals can't be used for breeding, it is a put-off for breeders as they can't register the offspring into the studbooks. In this way desirable traits are encouraged.
Most books inspect the stallions at 3yo or 4yo for conformation, temperament, movement and rideability. They are required to do a ridden test for 30 days (3yo) and 70 days (4yo). Some elite Hanoverian stallions undergo longer tests (300 day) to acheive elite status.
The drawback of most books is that they then don't monitor the quality of wht the stallion is producing.
The exception to this is the KWPN who have the most stringent stallion approval system going.
Stallions have to be presented at 3yo for initial licensing and are given limited approval to cover 30 mares per year for 2 years.
The following two years the KWPN randomly select a number of foals to inspect and the breeder also nominates a number of foals to be inspected. The inspectors produce a 'foal report' which comments on the quality of the mares covered, quality of the foals produced and detailed comments on the type of conformation produced and the type of mares the stallion is most suited to.
If the report is of suitable quality the stallion has his approval extended to cover more mares and for another 3 years. If it is not as good as they might like the stallion will be put 'on watch' and given a shorter extension on approval. If the animals are not up to scratch the approval will be pulled.
The offspring is then inspected again when the stallion is 5yo, 8yo and 11yo.
At the 8yo and 11yo inspections they also look at the competition record of the offspring as well as the foals.
The stallion is given life-approval if he passes the 11yo inspection. He is scored for particular traits and is given an index rating for jumping and dressage which indicates the type they are more likely to produce.
The big difference with the WB stud books is that they examine and approve the stallions. Most but not all assess the mares in the same way. While this doesn't mean the animals can't be used for breeding, it is a put-off for breeders as they can't register the offspring into the studbooks. In this way desirable traits are encouraged.
Most books inspect the stallions at 3yo or 4yo for conformation, temperament, movement and rideability. They are required to do a ridden test for 30 days (3yo) and 70 days (4yo). Some elite Hanoverian stallions undergo longer tests (300 day) to acheive elite status.
The drawback of most books is that they then don't monitor the quality of wht the stallion is producing.
The exception to this is the KWPN who have the most stringent stallion approval system going.
Stallions have to be presented at 3yo for initial licensing and are given limited approval to cover 30 mares per year for 2 years.
The following two years the KWPN randomly select a number of foals to inspect and the breeder also nominates a number of foals to be inspected. The inspectors produce a 'foal report' which comments on the quality of the mares covered, quality of the foals produced and detailed comments on the type of conformation produced and the type of mares the stallion is most suited to.
If the report is of suitable quality the stallion has his approval extended to cover more mares and for another 3 years. If it is not as good as they might like the stallion will be put 'on watch' and given a shorter extension on approval. If the animals are not up to scratch the approval will be pulled.
The offspring is then inspected again when the stallion is 5yo, 8yo and 11yo.
At the 8yo and 11yo inspections they also look at the competition record of the offspring as well as the foals.
The stallion is given life-approval if he passes the 11yo inspection. He is scored for particular traits and is given an index rating for jumping and dressage which indicates the type they are more likely to produce.
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