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tikkitti

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My friend showed me this on her FB a few months ago, it's awful and although meatman attend our local sales to see pics of horses awaiting their fate is horrific:-( if I won the lottery I'd have them all, poor horses/ponies I guess they know they've reached the end of the line, they are weighed and numbered, then a organisation tries to sell the for the kill buyer ( as they're in the US) or meat man as known in the uk. I've had dreams/nightmares about them some are old, probably someone's pride and joy at some point, it's heartbreaking. x
 
was the norm at Beeston sales ! meat lorries lined up outside to take the ones hoovered up for pennies off to Turners up the road for the chop. Incidently that place last I heard had been closed after an animal welfare investigation. Is heartbreaking, I agree with the above it is a necessary evil, but the pens and pens of shetlands/welshys and coloured cobs all going of for meat from various ' studs' did make you cross.
 
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We've had the same meatman nicknamed Hannibal at our local sales for years, it's heartbreaking but to think about them going to holding pens, being weighed, numbers etc is truly dreadful, I suppose them being of FB may save a few but it does make you wonder how long they are kept in awful conditions before meeting their sad end:-( x
 
its a vicious circle though, if there is the demand and they are getting some sort of money, these sorts will continue to breed..
 
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There used to be a sale at pannal near Harrogate but thankfully it was shut down in the 90s, it was a truly dreadful place. x
 
It is a horrible and uncomfortable thought but I think there are far worse things for a horse than death. I refer you to that poor baby colt that was tied to a fence with a makeshift bitted bridle that did the rounds on FB a couple of weeks ago.

In an ideal world every horse would live out its days in acres of sunny grass but the reality is that horses get incurable ailments - and older - and most people want a perfect horse to start with. Would you take on a horse with KS, or lami, or permanent lameness? Maybe as a companion but you would have to say "enough" at some point. The knacker man keeps down numbers. Sad but necessary.
 
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It is a sad necessity :( what really seems a shame is the young, perfectly fit horses who end up there. I can almost understand the old and lame who are unlikely to find a job, but those who could, that seems a shame.
 
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In today's market for horses there really are far worse places to be. The root of all this is breeding and that is where legislations should be brought into force and also the passporting farce,enforce the laws around passports and actually check them would be a start but breeding needs to be controlled in all animals not just horses. Any Tom Dick or harry can breed it's ridiculous and the market for most all animals kept as pets is terrible. Throw into the mix the cost of a horses upkeep and really it's no suprise horses outweigh owners. Very sad but unfortunately it's a reality. I'd far rather see an older or injured horse pts or go to an abattoir than be passed from pillar to post possibly been buted and sold as rideable as that happens.
 
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I agree it's the younger sound horses, it seems such a waste:-( as for the older horses surely they've been someone's pride and joy and why weren't they pts rather than dragged to a auction when the chances were a meat man would buy them. x
 
Passports are a waste of time, all mine have them yet even our vet said the microchips only really useful to tie the passport to the horse. Our police don't even have readers anymore and with about 6 microchip companies all on separate databases tbh it seems pointless. The problem of breeding rubbish seems worse now than is was pre passports tbh. x
 
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Passports are a waste of time, all mine have them yet even out vet said the microchips only really useful to tie the passport to the horse. Our police don't even have readers anymore and with about 6 microchip companies all on separate databases tbh it seems pointless. The problem of breeding rubbish seems worse now than is was pre passports tbh. x
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Exactly it's a farce and the laws and checks should be enforced. It's too easy not to passport.
 
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Folk have simply got to stop breeding so much rubish.

Several of the big , well respected Shetland Pony studs here have not put their stallions out for over 5 years now. I take my hat off to them. The price you get for Shetland ponies is pityful, Rescue organisations are bursting at the seams with unwanted Shetland and Welsh Pony dross.

In Denmark and other "sensible" countries the meat man stands by at the stallion inspections, Those stallions that fail, are bought for a good price and made into sausages. The nasty temperaments get taken out of the breeding lines and the breed improves and there are fewer welfare issues.

There is nothing wrong with good, well produced horse meat. Locally killed, produced without intensive methods.

But until we start eating horse the welfare of horses is never going to improve, and to keep breeding more and more ponies into an already flooded market is irresponsible and downright brainless... and breathe.
 
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It would be interesting to know how many go onto have their happy ending and make lovely riding ponies though x
 
I am afraid I was phoned by the BHS cruelty who were working along side WHW and the RSPCA, They found a field of starving ponies and Donks. They read the chips and contacted me as the pony was still in my name. Once you sell them they go out of your control and end up goodness knows where.

She did find a nice home in the end, but ... and what pees me off mightily is the woman who bought her then starved her paid an awful lot of money for her.
 
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Folk have simply got to stop breeding so much rubish.

Several of the big , well respected Shetland Pony studs here have not put their stallions out for over 5 years now. I take my hat off to them. The price you get for Shetland ponies is pityful, Rescue organisations are bursting at the seams with unwanted Shetland and Welsh Pony dross.

In Denmark and other "sensible" countries the meat man stands by at the stallion inspections, Those stallions that fail, are bought for a good price and made into sausages. The nasty temperaments get taken out of the breeding lines and the breed improves and there are fewer welfare issues.

There is nothing wrong with good, well produced horse meat. Locally killed, produced without intensive methods.

But until we start eating horse the welfare of horses is never going to improve, and to keep breeding more and more ponies into an already flooded market is irresponsible and downright brainless... and breathe.
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Totally agree with this. We used to breed coloureds and Welsh ponies. We stopped four or five years ago because people would apparently rather buy poor quality cheap "rescues" from the local sales than take on well bred well made stock for what it was worth. So they'd rather take on two or three scrubby poorly put together foals for a fiver apiece to "save them from the meat man" rather than a decent, well made foal for a couple of hundred pounds.

I took my old gelding to the abattoir when it was time to say goodbye. That was a long time ago. We were not allowed to bury him in the field so it was the next best thing at the time. I led him in and we stuffed him full of carrots. He went so quickly he still had a mouthful of carrot. I was with him until the very end. I'd rather see these so called rescue ponies go for meat than living in someone's back garden carrying kids at twelve months old.

As for passports and microchips don't get me started. I had a letter from the WPCS a couple of weeks back to say that a colt I bred doesn't have a life number and can I please send his passport back to be updated. I sold him ten years ago! Obviously the buyers didn't send it back after taking him on. My fault for not sending it off myself but I don't know how to resolve it now.

And then there was the day we took a mare with foal at foot to a stallion. VOSA pulled us over and asked if we had horses on board. We said yes, and would they like to see the passport. We were told no, we could go on our way. Bizzare!
 
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I also sadly agree with the comment. I hate the thought of the meat man but I know of a few people who if there not do there job will happily send them for dog meat. To be honest. If horses were killed here in the UK, and it was all done right. None of this horses been skin and bones business. Horses that were old etc then I would be ok with it. Its the transporting, practises and all of that. Yeah, I wouldn't like the thought of the meat man but I would rather know that horses are been killed for meat in this country ( Uk) then spending 2 days + in all weather conditions on a lorry made for livestock and to meet a painful end. I argree with jessey... The younger ones ( you hear of mares having given birth on the way to the slaughter house, shouldn't go for meat)

But I am going to start to ramble and open a load of worms.

My personal opinion really if that if your thinking of sending your horse to the meat man. A bullet is probably cheaper. when I say that I mean you might as well have the horse shot as its going to die anyway. I would rather do that then send to the meat man.

Sox will be with me for as long as possible if not for life. When the time comes he will be PTS. I don't agree with passing problem horses on. Until that time I will still thank my lucky stars how lucky I am to give an ex racehorse a second chance.
 
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How much does it cost to dispose of a corpse the size of a horse down south now? Lots of places will not permit the burial on site. I have heard some really scary tales of horse cremation/disposal costs.
 
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