The stupid hunt ....

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Tre said:
what i think that would be nice to see is the hunted equipped with shotguns ready for when the hunters want to play, i think its only fair that way and everyone will have to watch their backs then, not just the hunted :D
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Don't be so silly, foxes don't have opposable thumbs they could never pull a trigger.....

Your comment is foolish foxes are not only the 'hunted', foxes also happen to be the 'hunters', ask many on here who has lost several of their livestock as a result of the wonderful fox.

I find that instead of arming chickens we just put up razor wire - makes such a mess tho, when the fox tried to scramble over it!
 
mikh said:
Don't be so silly, foxes don't have opposable thumbs they could never pull a trigger.....

Your comment is foolish foxes are not only the 'hunted', foxes also happen to be the 'hunters', ask many on here who has lost several of their livestock as a result of the wonderful fox.

I find that instead of arming chickens we just put up razor wire - makes such a mess tho, when the fox tried to scramble over it!
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So you see the Fox as vermin,

Does this mean Africans are ok to kill the Elephants as they destroy their crops and are classed as vermin?
 
I am neither pro hunt or anti hunt each to their own, but I am pro consideration for others, and the hunt that is in the area where I keep my horses is inconsiderate.
When I used to keep the horses in a field close to land the hunt used I always had to stay up the field all day cause you never knew what might happen.
One time when I was up there a couple of hunt followers pulled up in thier landy and asked if they could park in field car park and watch hunt, I said yeh fine. Got chatting as you do they asked me if I supported the hunt I said not this one as I have got to stay here all day cause I can't trust them.They said they regulary hunt with a different hunt and had just come to see what this hunt was like, and they actually agreed with me that this hunt was not a very good example, and that they wouldn't want to hunt with them.So can pro hunters at least at accept that there is good and bad in all things even hunts.
 
BIrish said:
I've just seen this - sorry wasn't paying attention.. :o:)

I didn't implicate that at all.. you read that into my statement yourself .. ;) ...

Freudian based thoughts about this anyone ?
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Haha, my post wasn't even in response to yours :D
 
mikh said:
Don't be so silly, foxes don't have opposable thumbs they could never pull a trigger.....

Your comment is foolish foxes are not only the 'hunted', foxes also happen to be the 'hunters', ask many on here who has lost several of their livestock as a result of the wonderful fox.

I find that instead of arming chickens we just put up razor wire - makes such a mess tho, when the fox tried to scramble over it!
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so your calling me foolish and silly? just for stating "my opinion"

and what foxes hunt is natural

and i wasnt just refering to foxes, i stated "hunted"

and also we have lost chickens and ducks to foxes but i wouldnt shoot one for it
 
learningcurve said:
They said they regulary hunt with a different hunt and had just come to see what this hunt was like, and they actually agreed with me that this hunt was not a very good example, and that they wouldn't want to hunt with them.So can pro hunters at least at accept that there is good and bad in all things even hunts.
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Do hunts have a common code of conduct? Would that help in the situation being discussed? Trusting to common sense and decency doesn't seem to be universally successful here.
 
i didnt think we were allowed hunting threads:confused:

sorry to go slightly OT but..i saw on the news that there were anti hunt protesters lobbying outside parliament last week - why was this? (ive been in america so not up to speed with current affairs:D)
 
Tre said:
and what foxes hunt is natural

and i wasnt just refering to foxes, i stated "hunted"

and also we have lost chickens and ducks to foxes but i wouldnt shoot one for it
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Exactly - when a fox kills its prey, whether it be chickens, ducks, lambs etc, this is Nature doing what it does - no it's not nice but it's NATURE. Foxes are wild animals who have to hunt for food, there is no one providing it for them.

Assembling a group of people together with a pack of hounds to pick up the scent of a fox and then attempt to chase it to it's death is NOT NATURE.

I live in London and I had a beloved rabbit of mine killed by a fox but that was my fault for not providing a safe enough run for him. I now keep guinea pigs and have made sure that they are as safe as they can possibly be.

On another note, cats go about killing birds, frogs etc for fun - not because they need/want to eat them. There would be an outcry if people suggested hunting and killing cats.
 
Tre said:
so your calling me foolish and silly? just for stating "my opinion"

and what foxes hunt is natural

and i wasnt just refering to foxes, i stated "hunted"

and also we have lost chickens and ducks to foxes but i wouldnt shoot one for it
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no I said it would be silly and foolish to give a fox a gun. to operate a trigger system you need an opposable thumb - foxes don't have opposable thumbs so a gun would be useless to them.

Re- the elephants in Africa, tbh I don't know much on the subject to comment, there are a lot of things going on in the world that I don't condone, doesn't change my view on fox hunting/the ban/drag hunting/ or galloping through the countryside
 
Mimi + Me said:
Exactly - when a fox kills its prey, whether it be chickens, ducks, lambs etc, this is Nature doing what it does - no it's not nice but it's NATURE. Foxes are wild animals who have to hunt for food, there is no one providing it for them.

Assembling a group of people together with a pack of hounds to pick up the scent of a fox and then attempt to chase it to it's death is NOT NATURE.

I live in London and I had a beloved rabbit of mine killed by a fox but that was my fault for not providing a safe enough run for him. I now keep guinea pigs and have made sure that they are as safe as they can possibly be.

On another note, cats go about killing birds, frogs etc for fun - not because they need/want to eat them. There would be an outcry if people suggested hunting and killing cats.
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People go out shooting rabbits, birds, deer etc - the hunt is now just doing the same thing except to entice the target out they use hounds. so what's the big deal?
 
actually you told me "dont be so silly" and "your comment is foolish"

maybe you need to re read your post?
 
kirby said:
So you see the Fox as vermin,

Does this mean Africans are ok to kill the Elephants as they destroy their crops and are classed as vermin?
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:rolleyes:

*BIrish retreats even further into her haven of sense & reason away from the madness*

Yann said:
Haha, my post wasn't even in response to yours :D
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Oooh.. really??? *intrigued* who was it for ??? .. and here's me thinking we were having a wee laugh together... :o
 
mikh said:
People go out shooting rabbits, birds, deer etc - the hunt is now just doing the same thing except to entice the target out they use hounds. so what's the big deal?
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It's not the actual killing of the fox that I object to - when they are that exhausted and terrified it probably comes as a welcome relief - it's the actual chase beforehand which I find so intolerable and cruel.
 
I would class foxes as vermin along with rats, mice, pigeons, feral cats (not wild cats there is a difference :D) feral dogs and basically anything that can kill, spread disease, or maim livestock. I would even class ravens and larger crows in this as well considering the amount of lambs calves and even FOALs that these birds can kill.

Yes they are doing what nature intended but didnt nature intend us in thebeginning to hunt for our food/clothing ie pelts so if you want to go down that line then humans can follow in that suit its just instead of bows and arrows and spears we have guns to shoot with and dogs to find the 'prey'.

Not everything is black and white and people need to see this whether or not your against hunting or for it it is banned and the hunting we are describing is mostly drag hunting or trail hunting. If they come across a fox then ooop but can it be helped no!!!

Forcing your views on others isnt the way for people to see your POV some people are having silly digs about foxes etc having guns what point does that prove.

I am open about it would like to have a go but does that make me pro for wanting to gallop across fields jumping without having a farmer shoot me for tresspasing?? Dont think so :rolleyes:;):D

Nikki xxxx
 
MrKia+Me said:
some people are having silly digs about foxes etc having guns what point does that prove.



Nikki xxxx
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it doesnt prove any point, its called light hearted humour that would be funny to see, because after all if it was the wildlife hunting humans the humans would soon want to equip themselves with weapons
 
I think this thread has gone incredibly off topic, weird how you can start a thread about someones horse going mad in a field and it come all the way round to elephants being killed in africa. Don't you just love NR? ;)
 
Kc.. said:
I think this thread has gone incredibly off topic, weird how you can start a thread about someones horse going mad in a field and it come all the way round to elephants being killed in africa. Don't you just love NR? ;)
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Hahaha totally love NR!!! Twists at every turn :D

Nikki xxx
 
Kc.. said:
I think this thread has gone incredibly off topic, weird how you can start a thread about someones horse going mad in a field and it come all the way round to elephants being killed in africa. Don't you just love NR? ;)
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Totally! I think we should all agree to disagree on this one! :rolleyes:

There are a million and one things worse than fox hunting going on in this World that would warrant some attention!
 
I have been reading this post with interest and i'm sorry but I have to join in.

Some one has said that it is not natural for a group of people to gather with a pack of hounds and chase foxes when actually I think that this is the most natural way of controling foxes.

When somebody shoots a fox by lamping (basically ambushing it) it could be a very healthy fox in the prime of its life, hunting is a good way of simulating natural selection e.i. survival of the fittest and so promoting a healthy fox population
 
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