hello there, i was in the same position as you but fortunately for me the test came back he was not a rig. Ill try and fine my thread all about it... may help hun
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i know how your feeling!
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i know how your feeling!
What to do with a rig?
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vieshot
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Hate to say it but if hes as bad as he sounds, a danger to you and others then maybe he was better off at the knackers yard............sorry.
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vieshot
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Yep but is it worth the time and money, in the hope that the pony just might change? £1000 is alot of money for a pony destined for the knackers yard....
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Black Beastie
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It depends on how useful the horse can be once the testes is removed.
If the horse is breakable, rideable then I dont see the harm in paying out.
Nikki xxxx
If the horse is breakable, rideable then I dont see the harm in paying out.
Nikki xxxx
You've given me a lot to think about.
Went out today and couldn't get through the gate because he was so desperate to get to the other horses.
I would love to whip out the money and pay for the surgery but it is not that easy. I wouldn't be able to do that for at least 3 months. How can I keep him sane that long?
He's getting very aggressive by being alone.
I'm at a stud farm so there are no geldings to keep with him and can't have mares insight without trying to climb over the fence.
I want to help him so much but he seems off in another world.
vieshot - What a silly thing to say. No horse is better off at the knackery. It is peoples fault that he is the way he is, no one has tried to fix him before. He will never end up there again and it's horrible that you could even write that when I'm having a hard enough time as it is.
Went out today and couldn't get through the gate because he was so desperate to get to the other horses.
I would love to whip out the money and pay for the surgery but it is not that easy. I wouldn't be able to do that for at least 3 months. How can I keep him sane that long?
He's getting very aggressive by being alone.
I'm at a stud farm so there are no geldings to keep with him and can't have mares insight without trying to climb over the fence.
I want to help him so much but he seems off in another world.
vieshot - What a silly thing to say. No horse is better off at the knackery. It is peoples fault that he is the way he is, no one has tried to fix him before. He will never end up there again and it's horrible that you could even write that when I'm having a hard enough time as it is.
Cupcake - You have taken on this boy and now you are going to have to make a decision on his future. If he is dangerous you are going to need to do something otherwise an accident may happen. Have you got him on the moody mare? It will take a few weeks to work - in the meantime I suggest you call the trainer and discuss this situation with him. Then I suggest you call a few vets and find out the approximate cost in your area for the op and also ask the vet if the will allow you to pay over a few months (some vets will do this, mine does).
You have to decide whether you are willing to take on the expense of getting this pony sorted out so that he does not pose a danger to you or others at the yard.
Contact an equine rescue center in your State (which state are you in and I will ask among my contacts for on in your area) discuss Cobweb with them perhaps they have a facility that means you can get help with the op or surrender him to them.
vieshot has made a reasonable point - unfortunately not all of them are able to be rescued and a lot of horses that go to the knackery it is the sometimes the best option for them. Don't always believe literature that you read about knackeries. Cobweb looks lovely from the pics you have posted of him, however I rather suspect he was sent to the knackery because of his agressive behaviour - race horse studs are not heartless but the do run a business and unfortunately they often use rigs as teasers and often these rigs get older and more agressive and difficult to handle, so they eventually end up at the knackeries.
Having said that - after the op and if it is successful he will eventually make a lovely horse, he is still young enough to be retrained but it is going to take a lot of paientce, fair bit of money and some professional training too.
I am going to send you a PM with my e-mail address so that I can put you in touch with some experts if you like
You have to decide whether you are willing to take on the expense of getting this pony sorted out so that he does not pose a danger to you or others at the yard.
Contact an equine rescue center in your State (which state are you in and I will ask among my contacts for on in your area) discuss Cobweb with them perhaps they have a facility that means you can get help with the op or surrender him to them.
vieshot has made a reasonable point - unfortunately not all of them are able to be rescued and a lot of horses that go to the knackery it is the sometimes the best option for them. Don't always believe literature that you read about knackeries. Cobweb looks lovely from the pics you have posted of him, however I rather suspect he was sent to the knackery because of his agressive behaviour - race horse studs are not heartless but the do run a business and unfortunately they often use rigs as teasers and often these rigs get older and more agressive and difficult to handle, so they eventually end up at the knackeries.
Having said that - after the op and if it is successful he will eventually make a lovely horse, he is still young enough to be retrained but it is going to take a lot of paientce, fair bit of money and some professional training too.
I am going to send you a PM with my e-mail address so that I can put you in touch with some experts if you like
I was a little frustrated when I posted that 
Calmed down, talked to mum and going to get him that operation as soon as possible. She knows how much I want to help him and is willing to pay for it as long as I pay her back as soon as I can.
We've been thinking about putting him with my friends gelding until then (next possible time is in 2 weeks) Would that work? He's a very large horse and doubt if he would take any aggression from cobweb, but wouldn't retaliate.
Bought the moody mare today and gave him some, wasn't too impressed with it to be honest
I shall reply to your pm as soon as I can, have to go now. Thankyou very much for your help.
We've decided as soon as he is well from the op (thinking very positively here) we'll send him off to be trained. No point it being at the yard where the trainer has to travel 30 minutes when for a tiny bit extra he can have the full attention there and help with his problems.
Calmed down, talked to mum and going to get him that operation as soon as possible. She knows how much I want to help him and is willing to pay for it as long as I pay her back as soon as I can.
We've been thinking about putting him with my friends gelding until then (next possible time is in 2 weeks) Would that work? He's a very large horse and doubt if he would take any aggression from cobweb, but wouldn't retaliate.
Bought the moody mare today and gave him some, wasn't too impressed with it to be honest
I shall reply to your pm as soon as I can, have to go now. Thankyou very much for your help.
We've decided as soon as he is well from the op (thinking very positively here) we'll send him off to be trained. No point it being at the yard where the trainer has to travel 30 minutes when for a tiny bit extra he can have the full attention there and help with his problems.
That is great that your mum is willing to help you with the op. He looks lovely and hopefully the op is successful and he has had the attention of a professional trainer he will become a model citizen.
It is a good idea to get him a companion, just keep an eye on them as you don't want either of them injured
Moody Mare is not going to work immediately it is going to take at least two weeks before you will see if it is working on him
Good luck
with the op. He looks lovely and hopefully the op is successful and he has had the attention of a professional trainer he will become a model citizen.It is a good idea to get him a companion, just keep an eye on them as you don't want either of them injured
Moody Mare is not going to work immediately it is going to take at least two weeks before you will see if it is working on him
Good luck
Best of luck.
One thing to think about seriously is the instructions you give the vet before the op. If the wayward testicle cannot be found, wha then will you do?
we told the vet at the start of the op, that if the testicle couldn't be found and removed he was not to be brought round from the aenesthetic and to put him to sleep on the "op table" (stable floor!) Neither Frances or I could justify keeping an aggressive rig, and a rig was something we were not prepared to move on as the consequenses could have been terrible for the horse and the owner.
As it happened it was a very succesful op and a very happy conclusion. Well worth the dosh.
One thing to think about seriously is the instructions you give the vet before the op. If the wayward testicle cannot be found, wha then will you do?
we told the vet at the start of the op, that if the testicle couldn't be found and removed he was not to be brought round from the aenesthetic and to put him to sleep on the "op table" (stable floor!) Neither Frances or I could justify keeping an aggressive rig, and a rig was something we were not prepared to move on as the consequenses could have been terrible for the horse and the owner.
As it happened it was a very succesful op and a very happy conclusion. Well worth the dosh.
Very good advice Wally
Cupcake think of all the options and discuss with your vet about them.
Good luck with your boy. Can't say I've had any experience with a rig (though saw one for sale today), and can only wish you luck. Happy to see your mum is willing to lend a hand
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vieshot
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Not sure how you can say that, permanantly injured and in pain horses and dangerous unhelpable horses are better off at the knackery and £1000 is alot of money to spend on a horse that may just be beyond help....imo
My ponys operation cost about £300 which i was suprised at, and they had to remove extra in the form of tuma tissues. Why was the pony on the way to the knackers yard?
I gather the pony was at the Knackers because he came from a racehorse stud. As he is a rig I suspect he was a teaser and as he has grown older his aggressiveness has made him difficult to handle so the sent him to the knackers.
AUS$1000 I paid for Mushu was to have two vets do the op - it took longer than they bargained for also he was at hospital for over a week because the op was going to take longer so they wanted to make sure they had the time. Also included all the meds etc. Rig op is a little bit more complicated than a straight forward gelding which cost around AUS$300 (I have not had a horse gelded here in Aus before but volanteer for a horse rescue and I believe that is what they pay)
I think this horse can come good if the op is successful and time is put into him
What a shame that this horse has been rescued and now has to face all this, I hope it all works out for you and that you end up with a lovely horse come the end of it.
However, it does make you question some of these vets who are doing the castration procedures and not getting it right for the money in the first place.
How can they just walk away without saying anything knowing damn well they have only done half a job in the first place. They should be able to be held accountable should you find out your horse is a rig at a later date.
However, it does make you question some of these vets who are doing the castration procedures and not getting it right for the money in the first place.
How can they just walk away without saying anything knowing damn well they have only done half a job in the first place. They should be able to be held accountable should you find out your horse is a rig at a later date.
Sadly many of them are not done by vets, they are backyard castrations
In my horse Mushu's case one of his testicles was crushed causing lots of scarring and this one took twice as long for the vets to remove.
Shocking what some people would do to save $300
Can you give horses chemical castration? I know there is a drug called Tardak that works with dogs and fancy rats, you give them that for a while, it supresses their testosterone and that gives you an idea as to whether the unsuitable behaviour is hormone induced or something else, if the animal does calm down then you know an op will help, if not then its other issues
I would rather have the vet come out to put my horse to sleep if she was in pain, old, or some other reason than truck her off to the knackery. I know that some horses are better off not living due to behavioural or medical conditions, but don't think they should end up at the knackery.
Wally - If the testicle can not be found then he will have to be put to sleep. I can't think of any other way around it. I'm not going to sell him to someone else, who will pass him on until he ends up at the knackery again. He isn't a suitable companion as he has quite bad hooves if not tended too regularily and he is aggressive to mares. Maybe if he responds to moody mare well then I can find him a home as a companion to geldings, but I won't risk him with my mares again.
But it is not worth thinking of that. He will be fine.
My friends cousin came out today to take a look at him. He has dealt with a couple of rigs before and I wanted his opinion. He said that Cobweb is extremely nervous and is protecting himself the only way he knows how to, through aggression. Also we assume that he was kept by himself most of the time when he was at the tb stud and only bought out when he was 'needed'. That is why he became so instantly herd bound with my 3 mares and has gotten more insane as the days go by. Being a rig obviously doesn't help. But he proberly wouldn't be so bad if he had companionship.
This has put me off buying horses. Makes me shudder thinking about it. Not going to try that again for a very long long time.
Wally - If the testicle can not be found then he will have to be put to sleep. I can't think of any other way around it. I'm not going to sell him to someone else, who will pass him on until he ends up at the knackery again. He isn't a suitable companion as he has quite bad hooves if not tended too regularily and he is aggressive to mares. Maybe if he responds to moody mare well then I can find him a home as a companion to geldings, but I won't risk him with my mares again.
But it is not worth thinking of that. He will be fine.
My friends cousin came out today to take a look at him. He has dealt with a couple of rigs before and I wanted his opinion. He said that Cobweb is extremely nervous and is protecting himself the only way he knows how to, through aggression. Also we assume that he was kept by himself most of the time when he was at the tb stud and only bought out when he was 'needed'. That is why he became so instantly herd bound with my 3 mares and has gotten more insane as the days go by. Being a rig obviously doesn't help. But he proberly wouldn't be so bad if he had companionship.
This has put me off buying horses. Makes me shudder thinking about it. Not going to try that again for a very long long time.
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