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Carthorse...
I totally understand what your saying..

But i remember hearing years ago on some science show on tv.

That if you can smell something there are tiny TINY particles your inhaling..


The example ugh that was used its many years ago... I don't remember the exact way it was put...

If you can smell dog poop lingering cigarette smoke etc etc.
Your inhaling it.
Maybe a small amount but you still are..

I see people rip.the mask off their face walking right past someone going into a grocery store as someone's going in.

I see neighbors walking coming upon each other and stopping really close to each other talking ..BOTH NO MASKS.

I'M A FAN OF. If your off your property out of your car your in a mask..


Many people are totally clueless of what 2 meters distance is..

OR THEY JUST DON'T CARE
 
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@horseandgoatmom by that argument everyone should wear them all the time since the virus doesn't understand the limits of my property, could escape from my house or car when opening the door etc etc. Realistically over here we've had big outdoor gatherings - which I don't condone - with no spike in infections as a result and while the new variant is much more infectious I still don't see that it's necessary to wear masks all the time, and indeed for some people it isn't possible.
 
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Carthorse..

I TOTALLY UNDERSTAND..

Sometimes it has no rhyme or reason.

Some big gatherings talked about over here seemed to have
Little affect... others
Were. Super spreaders.

It makes you wonder was the sun out that day??? Was it windy???
 
It's very sad that today's deaths are highest :( I'd expect that at the moment though given that Christmas was about 3 weeks ago.

Infections rates are slowing though, which is hopefully a good sign. I'm in the SE and my area has finally had less than the average number of cases per 100,000 and fewer cases than the last week ... keeping everything crossed ?
 
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My mum will get her jab at home - the surgery is arranging it sometime soon.

One good thing about wearing masks outdoors in this weather is that they keep your face warm.

I am not convinced that you can compare smells with viruses - the smell is a gas or mixture of gases, not airborne particles.

Also the danger is from the viral load, outdoors this is much diluted and much less of a risk.

I can't help thinking the govt has got the strategy wrong - surely it would be better to vaccinate the working population and shield the elderly until the virus in general circulation is reduced?
 
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I agree about vaccinating the essential workers. We have self isolated since March (except for going for the vaccine) so we would have stayed safe at home. But if OH or I had got hurt or ill and needed A&E and then we had caught Covid, we were likely to have occupied 2 hospital beds.
Having had a single dose means if we get it is may be less severe. Selfishly I feel massively privileged to have had the vaccine and if I get a seond dose I plan to be riding on 14 or 15 April.
 
I do partly agree in some ways it would be sensible to do the working population over the older to help keep the economy going as it was put.
They were talking about offering it to essential workers once they get through the the elderly, but i think it would be difficult, as you would have to apply which would take time and would cause arguments as to which workers are more essential. Making a decision of working through the age ranges and very essential workers stops the who should be done first argument.
 
I'm just worried that the drop we are seeing now is a reflection of all schools and alot of workplaces being closed over Christmas. Although schools are officially shut alot of children are back attending now. If you go out on the roads at 7am round here it's as busy as ever suggestions alot of people are now back working too.
 
Ale said:
I'm just worried that the drop we are seeing now is a reflection of all schools and alot of workplaces being closed over Christmas. Although schools are officially shut alot of children are back attending now. If you go out on the roads at 7am round here it's as busy as ever suggestions alot of people are now back working too.
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Exactly why I think that these are the people who need to be vaccinated - if indeed the vaccine does make it less likely you will be infectious to others.
 
Our roads seem quiet in comparison even early morning. The only thing thats busy are the carparks for dog walking. Ive just driven home from work and remarkably quiet mid afternoon.
When i took the lambs last week, we went on the motorway for a few miles, we noticed how quiet it was for 8am on a monday morning. Unheard of really. Guess it just depends on what part of the country you are in.
 
fourlegs said:
My mum will get her jab at home - the surgery is arranging it sometime soon.

One good thing about wearing masks outdoors in this weather is that they keep your face warm.

I am not convinced that you can compare smells with viruses - the smell is a gas or mixture of gases, not airborne particles.

Also the danger is from the viral load, outdoors this is much diluted and much less of a risk.

I can't help thinking the govt has got the strategy wrong - surely it would be better to vaccinate the working population and shield the elderly until the virus in general circulation is reduced?
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One massive downside of that, not every one ‘sheilding’ is old or incapable, some of us have jobs and have to choose between putting our lives at risk or trying to survive on SSP, other than that I’d agree.
 
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Also and I’ll apologise because I may be a tad emotional over this, but, why should people who have been essentially living a half life since March last year be shoved to the back of the queue for the vaccine and asked to shield for even longer while they vaccinate all the ‘workers’ if the aim here is to get hospital numbers down the most vulnerable of our population should absolutely be first in line, with those people vaccinated and the rest of the population at far less risk of hospital or death surely that’s the right way around?
 
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Kite_Rider said:
One massive downside of that, not every one ‘sheilding’ is old or incapable, some of us have jobs and have to choose between putting our lives at risk or trying to survive on SSP, other than that I’d agree.
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I don't think @fourlegs is saying someone shielding shouldn't be vaccinated, in fact as a working person you'd probably be further up the list than you maybe are now.
 
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I don't think @fourlegs is saying someone shielding shouldn't be vaccinated, in fact as a working person you'd probably be further up the list than you maybe are now.
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It makes no difference to me @carthorse as I got made redundant back in April and won’t be returning to work until I’ve had the vaccine if at all.
I cannot explain why I’m so upset about the vaccine and people all jumping up and down because there job is more important than a pensioners life.
Anyone who isn’t in the sheilding group has had at least some reprieve where they have been able to go and meet friends and family, be close with people they love, do normal stuff like going to the shop when you just fancy something and a million other things that those in the shielding group have been to scared too do, I know the advice is only guidance, but when you have been told by your gp that if you catch Covid you have probably a 5% survival rate it’s scary stuff and makes even those who are usually quite tough and happy to get on with things reluctant to do anything outside the safety of our home, so yeah, getting the vaccine is massive to me and I do get upset when people want to vaccinate healthy, normal people before me and expect me to carry n being a hermit so that everyone else can get back to normal.
Sorry if I seem to be having a go at anyone, I’m not trying to be contentious just trying to hope people can understand from every side not just that of the workforce.
 
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I can understand @Kite_Rider and there are pros and cons with however it's distributed. Frontline NHS staff need to be a priority because they get excessive exposure (PPE isn't perfect) and if they get ill then who will care for patients? I don't think anyone would argue with that. But after that it gets trickier. Higher risk people, for whatever reason, are more likely to need hospitalizing if they get it and so will put a greater strain on resources. Working people are supporting the economy, and ultimately that's what funds the NHS. Everyone has been impacted by this ruddy virus, and at the moment everyone should be acting like a hermit which doesn't go down well with some people who think if they did get it it wouldn't be a big deal for them (they may be wrong, "healthy" people have died too). I do worry about how all this will be paid for when our economy is in a serious mess and so I can see some logic in vaccinating those who would then go out to work, or indeed those who are having to go out anyway. Would vaccinating people who are having to work and come into contact with others have a bigger impact in reducing spread, and so indirectly protect others? Do you look at the good of the individual, the good of the population as a whole, or try to find some balance in between? Whatever is done is going to offend a lot of people.

It is hard if you've been feeling locked away for so long. I feel very isolated from my parents, particularly with my dad shielding, but the fact is I'd rather not see him than put him at increased risk. I think the reprieve wasn't that great anyway, particularly for people who took the virus seriously and so didn't go visiting etc - there was never a point when there were no restrictions and things got back to normal. Too many people were ignoring the restrictions that were still in place though, and some still do - probably many of them are also people who will refuse the vaccine as they don't want to be "controlled". Lead injection for them maybe?
 
I don't think they are very confident about the vaccines preventing transmission, in which case absolutely the priority needs to be vaccinating the vulnerable. And NHS workers of course.
 
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That really scares me that possibly vaccinated people can continue to spread it.
And they are not talking vaccinated
Yesterday... they mean fully vaccinated people with protection..

Sometimes I really wonder whats
Propaganda to push unsure people..

You don't know what to believe.

Its like butter.. margarine..

One study says ohhh no real butter is better ..
Then someone elses study flips it.
OHH NO DON'T EAT BUTTER
eat margarine..
 
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