laminitis now abscess 2

mindymoo said:
Hi all,my farrier was telling me last week that he had a case of an elderly TB getting lammi for the first time. Was so severe that they were worried pedal bone would drop through the sole when he had to dig a gas pocket out. Luckily it didnt, but horse was on boxrest for three months, covered in sores apparently from lying down :( bloody awful. I hate laminitis with a vengeance.
Pony on my yard was quite footy and farrier though he had beginnings of lammi too. Luckily theres two of us on the yard who have had experience with it and so we helped her to try to nip it in the bud.
Ponys is doing ok now, muzzled when out at night ( like mine ) and brought in during the day.
Also food was reduced and she is now feeding top spec anti lam like i do. I love that stuff. Poppys looks bloody amazing on it :)
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afternoon all WOW only been away aday from here and new posts, nice to see and have new input, volcanic ash comment, here where we are had a good few covering of the stuff all over cars, and i no a few ponys have gone down with lammi over the last few weeks, which have never had any signs of it, there not over weight and in good health and there show ponys ? so would be good to find out more infoe on this? re feed over the passed two weeks ive put bobs on a new feed its called slim and healthy by allen & page. hes doing ok on it, i need to give him something that he can chew on so went through i lot of feeds and came across this, i did show richard b4 starting it just in case, but he was ok with it but any signs of anythink i should stop feeding, but hes been great on. he all so has speedi beet
now happy hoof didnt agree with him at all, very footy with it. lammi prone has worked great for bobs and with acorn, and Debbie said she now got vicky on it, its not cheap but we can say it dose work.
please keep us all updated, bobs was fine today, but think its bit hot today for him :(
tracyx
give bobs magnesium every day as well. salt. thats with lammi prone, just been up to him now cool damp towel all over and taken his boots. to hot for ponys..
 
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Hadn't even thought of the volcanic ash , but would think if you've got it so to speak it must have some bad effect on lami prone ponies.Polarfurball my boy too has mild sweetitch , sometimes wonder also if he's got ulcers as he's a crabby old git.Feed is a minefield,have tried so many supposedly ideal feeds only to find in the case of some ( happy hoof for one ) that I end up with a hyperactive super spook so end up feeding the Hi Fi Lite with some sort of supplementation for vits & mins. Every day he gets magnesium,brewers yeast ,ginger ,slippery elm,rosehips & salt . For goodness sake people go on about natives being easy to do & being cheap to keep ,obviously met mine as he d**n near bankrupts me.My dreams are peopled with limping ponies hobbling up the field to me aaaarrrrgh !!!!!!
 
She cripples my pocket!!!!!!!!!!

For allergies alone I have bought two snuggy hood sets this year (£100+ for one set!!!!), in the process of making my own rug!!!, endless sudocream, fly spray, various supplements (which she never eats :mad:) and now having to think about allergy testing as she is awful. Sores all up her legs, over her back, face and tail despite 24/7 rugging - even in this weather I cant afford to take it off...

And thats not even touching the feet, moodyness and tack costs for a fussy madam!!! :p :D

HOWEVER I am one happy mummy. Trimmer came today - FANTASTIC. Unbelievable. She held all four immaculatley, no fussing, even to have boots fitted. Going to get boots off internet as cheaper (she suggested!!), I left her bucking and farting round the field with a whole new lease of life.

She agreed that she was short, and more so on the right fore than left. Frogs really good on all four feet, soles thin at toe on fronts due to flare from last years poor habits I think. But she is forming callus nicely to compensate. No thrush signs at all (phew!). Slight bruising of one frog, and really nice growth from last 6months - very constant despite chaging from in 24/7 with weighed hay, out out 24/7 to in half and half. So very very chuffed! :D:D

Rascal baffled yet another horsey person. Totally untrainable. Species unto himself. LOL
 
Oh that is good news , it's quite uplifting when they actually do something you've worked so hard to train them to & good to hear her feet are getting a bit better. Have just been using Neem salve on Ben for the sweetitch,expensive at approx £14 a pot including postage.Very messy as it's thick goo & don't like the smell at all but so far ( fingers crossed & touch wood )it seems to ease the itch & keep midges away,well I certainly think so will let you know how it goes.Might help madam do you think ?
 
Ive got to the point where I am trying anything.

Cousin has recommended Alva Horse Sweet Itch Controller, but cant hold of it locally :mad:... Also might try ruggles it sweet itch stuff.

Have booked vet to come out and examine next weds but just hesitant about it all. No use before so unless something miraculous happens then Im pouring £60 down the drain. Currently spraying neat citronella oil on her, but shes got so many hives up her legs I cant keep track of them at the moment :(

Got to sort boot size out. One foot was 100x100 and the other 105 long cant remember width. so either 00 or 00.5. Bought pads anyway, just need boots.
 
popularfurball said:
Ive got to the point where I am trying anything.

Cousin has recommended Alva Horse Sweet Itch Controller, but cant hold of it locally :mad:... Also might try ruggles it sweet itch stuff.

Have booked vet to come out and examine next weds but just hesitant about it all. No use before so unless something miraculous happens then Im pouring £60 down the drain. Currently spraying neat citronella oil on her, but shes got so many hives up her legs I cant keep track of them at the moment :(

Got to sort boot size out. One foot was 100x100 and the other 105 long cant remember width. so either 00 or 00.5. Bought pads anyway, just need boot

hi dont no if this will help or how much you pay but go to www.alvahorse.com
and you can get it there 1L £25.00
tracy
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Wow, evening all, busy on here today - great news on the trimming and behaving with the lifting feet (read your diary - or her diary:) had me in stitches) , we are in the 000 size boot with pads, Acorn had his new firm pads(red ones) in today , on all day in the field, came down okay tonight, slow but think that was more in protest at having to come in;) reduced bute again tonight so will see how he is in the morning, more than likely boot up and out again to the field, Usually no problem going up, hes off like a rocket, may put his bridle on tommorrow as he can be a little s**t once he knows he can run:eek:

Charlies swelling on his eye has almost gone now and the patch where he rubbed it is starting to hair over again, coming back chestnut thank God, will get the megatek on it tommorrow to be safe.

Flies are rife at mo, going through fly spray at the rate of knots just bought some more in , so should be safe for another couple of months, as you say we must love them because they are certainly not cheap to keep!

Free listings on ebay at the weekend so we have a load of stuff to sell and we need to set Charlie up for breaking etc - so will be busy with the camera on saturday.
Will have to get some updated photos, time seems to be at a premium at the moment not sure where it goes but I seem to miss most of it:confused:

just cooling down here, been really hot today, charlie managed to get a bit of sunburn yesterday despite factor 50, so he had double dose of it this morning, Acorn dont need it due to no white on his face and its always facing the floor in anycase:rolleyes: Tess has to be lathered in it = always something.
they have farrier on Saturday, Acorn not due again now for a couple of weeks, earlier if we get signs of those long toes........
interesting about this possible Ash link- will google and see if anything showing anywhere on the web

anyway going for cup of tea, fag and sit down and then Bed ready for another round starting 5.00am.

back in morning for updates
keep safe
Lx
 
popularfurball said:
Ive got to the point where I am trying anything.

Cousin has recommended Alva Horse Sweet Itch Controller, but cant hold of it locally :mad:... Also might try ruggles it sweet itch stuff.

Have booked vet to come out and examine next weds but just hesitant about it all. No use before so unless something miraculous happens then Im pouring £60 down the drain. Currently spraying neat citronella oil on her, but shes got so many hives up her legs I cant keep track of them at the moment :(

Got to sort boot size out. One foot was 100x100 and the other 105 long cant remember width. so either 00 or 00.5. Bought pads anyway, just need boots.
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We have used quite a few of the Alva horse products and had great results, not needed the sweetitch stuff but if its as good as their other products then I would give it a try. Could it be metabolic reaction do you think? vet may do bloods which would tell you, might be able to get some relief with a diet change - I know yet more expense, but its amazing what changes to diets can do if you know what you are trying to balance - Jackie at Metabolic horse is very good re lammi, not sure if she does anything re switch itch may be worth googling and have a look.

anyway off now
Lx
 
Oh. Been so busy looking at boots, didnt realise pads came in different colours. We have black ones, seem ncie and squishy, she says only to put on for road work of if she is short in the field. Im really glad that two other people (Zingy and trimmer) can see what I mean. I felt like I was being paranoid and seeing things!!

Suncream is a no go in our house. Rascal eats it, she hates it (yet has udder cream and sudocrem all oer face and eyes for sores!). Going to get her a nose net I think as just saves the worry so much - at least it will protect her a bit, although touch wood she chooses to spend most of day in shelter so shaded in high sun.

Allergy I would guess, with help from Zingy, is horse flies and midges. She has characteristic scurfy mane and tail, and central line and bald tail. However, a small itch turns into a whole body reaction. She has a reaction of hives to something (proba horse flies), although these are now appearing under snuggy hood :eek:. These are all up her legs, on her tail, spine, eyes and muzzle. She rubs until they bleed. Creams make no difference to the reaction, shes swimming in citronella oil... Wash tail twice-three times a week and legs once a week. As for diet, she has a handful of hifi good doer and naf slimline. Stopped happy hoof as contains garlic. Waiting for sample of fly free to arrive :)

But hey, feet are now no worry!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :D
 
In need of some encouraging words. My Misty Pony is now in his 5th week of his second bout of laminitis this year (He had last one in the hard frosty weather, was box rested for 2 months) This one was set of by hard dry ground. He had been doing so well, and I had got his bute down to 1 everyother day. I have been turning him out for half an hour a day this week. Today I let him have a bit longer out, but he wandered back to the yard and put himslef back in stable. LAME!!!

I think he has an abcesses in one or both front feet, he keeps lieing down which he never usually does. when he does stand, he is shifting his weight. Feet are hot and he has pulses. Respiratory rate is up. He wouldn't eat his feed with bute, so I had to syringe it to him instead. All in all a very sad pony.

Will have to get vet out tomorrow.

So sad. I just want him to be happy, he has spent most of his time this year in the stable. It just seems cruel.

I have some easiboots on order to try. I really hope they work, but got to get him over this set back first.
 
Hi cantanta007
you've found the right place if you're looking for help with lammi, the ladies on this thread are AMAZING and helped me so much when my mare had it last year.
Its such a bloody horrible affliction, heartbreaking to watch them in pain and you feel so helpless, you just have to take it day by day, keep on with the bute, the deep bed, the ACT ( if your vet thinks your pony needs it ) double netting hay helped mine - just took her longer to eat it it so she wasnt as bored.
Is he shod? likely that vet will want his shoes off if he is.
Has he had an abscess before? my mare was chronically lame when she had one, almost as if she'd broken her leg - it was that bad. That shifting weight might be the lammi.
Is he standing back on his heels when he does stand up? thats the typical lammi stance isnt it?
Not much i can offer you im afraid until you get a proper diagnosis from the vet, what i would suggest is that if the vet thinks he does have an abscess is to get your farrier to come and look for it. Theyre usually much better at finding it than the vet in my opinion.
Keep us posted on his progress, chin up, you're not alone, we all know what you're going through and there'e lots of friendly "ears" on here :) x
 
cantata007 said:
In need of some encouraging words. My Misty Pony is now in his 5th week of his second bout of laminitis this year (He had last one in the hard frosty weather, was box rested for 2 months) This one was set of by hard dry ground. He had been doing so well, and I had got his bute down to 1 everyother day. I have been turning him out for half an hour a day this week. Today I let him have a bit longer out, but he wandered back to the yard and put himslef back in stable. LAME!!!

I think he has an abcesses in one or both front feet, he keeps lieing down which he never usually does. when he does stand, he is shifting his weight. Feet are hot and he has pulses. Respiratory rate is up. He wouldn't eat his feed with bute, so I had to syringe it to him instead. All in all a very sad pony.

Will have to get vet out tomorrow.

So sad. I just want him to be happy, he has spent most of his time this year in the stable. It just seems cruel.

I have some easiboots on order to try. I really hope they work, but got to get him over this set back first.
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Hi, so sorry to hear about Misty - what you are experiencing is unfortunately classic Lammi , Hard ground , stress, concussion lammi been there and worn the T shirt, 2 years running, but I am coping better this after last years experiences, you find out what works and what don't, unfortunately there is no magic solution, trial and error finding out what works - on the up side you will find what does - I am sure Tracey will tell you all about that, she has had more ups than downs for 18 months but is now on the otherside - determination, will power and the strength to fight for your pony when often it seems impossible, tears, heartache, sleepless nights and worry all part of it, every emotion you can think of including blaming yourself.... and for Debs the heartache when the battle was lost - but some good comes out of bad and we all learnt a lot from Lucys battle through Debs decision to share the whole experience. I found that Exercise is the key with Lammi, there are lots of different views but for me I believe if you can maintain a level of exercise/turnout it really does work - in Acorns case, no box rest now for lammi, bute and out obviously on restricted BTBH grass does not seem to be an issue with him, from what you are saying that seems to be the case with Misty - getting them sound is a nightmare, I do hope the boots work for you, they will certainly allow comfort for turnout to get the mobility going and using his limbs properly promoting healthy feet.

do let us know how you get on with the Vet, sounds like another lammi attack to me due to the ground conditions, unless you have been extreemly unlucky to get abcess in both feet at the same time, but would be simply off feet as said before they can't apply weight. Has Misty suffered any rotation? what has your farrier said?- make sure getting nutrients its important for their general wellbeing, obviously with plenty of poor quality forage, how is the general condition -maintaining a healthy weight or poor?

Acorn gets Morbid if hes is deprived of exercise and social interaction for any length of time, infact 2 days maximum for exercise and 3 at most for Company. He gets a boost and his whole demeaner lifts as soon as he is out and mixing, he has to seperated at times but I do try to keep it to a minimum.
The First episode last year vets said keep in, the mobility issues that followed, we nearly lost him, he then had abcess and months of remedial but no rotation thank god! walking (or dragging) down to the field every day people looking at you as though you are the most cruel person in the world, sad,ribby lame little pony, but you learn to rise above that and slowley it comes right and the feeling when they are sound at last is brilliant, buts you know that is not the battle won totally as you have to find a way of preventing a future episode and that is not always easy.

Remember you are not alone, each one of us on here is either going through or recovering from this damn illness, we have shared bad times and good and for me its good to come on let what I feel out, as most think you are either paranoid or mad or both! its only a horse, no its not hes part of my family.

He went out like a Rocket with his boots on this morning, but is hobbling round the field on the hard ground without, hes turned out with Charlie for the first time in 3 weeks so he is wanting play but Acorn is struggling a little with it, I just hope hes okay when I go to get him tonight, he will have his boots on to walk back to the stable, just about off bute altogether now (3months), I am really hoping the next trim sorts this out, his hooves are starting to shed sole and the frogs are looking better so I am pleased in that respect.

Do let us know how Misty is doing and chin up you will get there in the end :)
Do tell us a little about Misty , age, height, lifestyle,

back in later for updates, do hope everyone else is safe and well today

Lx
 
Some advice wanted

I look after some ponies in return for grazing and one of the ponies has lamanitis. She's approx 13.2 maybe a smidge less. Its been a week now of box rest and the vet said barely give her any hay. Approx 2 inches of a section spread out through the day. Most people I know with lamanitic ponies are giving much more than this.
has anyone got any advice? She is on straw so eating that ad lib which is fine but wouldnt this amount of hay be too little for her?
The owners have been dealing with the vet but I spoke to him today as I needed some more sachets to give her and he said he wanted to see more weight off her. But isnt that contradicting what lamanitis is all about or am I picking everyone up wrong?
I've never had any dealings with lamanitis so am ignorant but am reading up on it to try and advise the owners as they are not horsey.
 
Clashnoir.

My vets advice was deep shaving bed.
Hay that had been soaked for 12 hours.
He was fed a handful of happy hoof containing danilon and vit/mineral supplement.

Has pony been seen by farrier.
 
learningcurve said:
Clashnoir.

My vets advice was deep shaving bed.
Hay that had been soaked for 12 hours.
He was fed a handful of happy hoof containing danilon and vit/mineral supplement.

Has pony been seen by farrier.
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Farrier been and coming back in 6 weeks. Pony has not had shoes on for years apparantly even when in work.
How much hay should be given? Vet is saying next to nothing and others with experience have said 8lbs.
Not getting any supplements and not sure what the owners thoughts will be on that.
 
Definately shouldn't be on straw,not good that bed is being eaten as apparently straw contains in some cases a high sugar content.As said by learning curve deep shaving bed & hay must be soaked at least overnight ( smells awful but ponies don't seem to mind it ) so that you can feed more of it.Needs supplement of some sort ( Jackie on Metabolic Horse will advise you )so pony can grow some good feet, & would suggest magnesium oxide.
 
learningcurve said:
I give enough soaked hay in small holed net so that it doesn't run out.

Starving laminitics is a very out dated view.
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My sentiments exactly and the vet cant be far off retiring age.
The vet advised shavings but the owners went and got one bale.
Yes, thats one bale. They sprinkled it on top of the straw.:confused:
I dont think they realise the potential time bomb there is ticking there and
will be keen to get her outside as soon as possible as it means less work when they are there. Even when I have offered to do all the stables they just open the door so they can come in and out rather than having to get up early turn them out or take them in at night.
Its not stables as such but a cattle court with access to the field.
 
Sadly laminitis can mean a life long mangement plan, getting them back out to full time turnout can be very difficult.

When mine first came of box rest he was only allowed to be out in a section no bigger than a stable, as running around on hard ground can bring on a second attack from concussion.

Forage still has to be supplied twice a day.
 
clashnoir said:
My sentiments exactly and the vet cant be far off retiring age.
The vet advised shavings but the owners went and got one bale.
Yes, thats one bale. They sprinkled it on top of the straw.:confused:
I dont think they realise the potential time bomb there is ticking there and
will be keen to get her outside as soon as possible as it means less work when they are there. Even when I have offered to do all the stables they just open the door so they can come in and out rather than having to get up early turn them out or take them in at night.
Its not stables as such but a cattle court with access to the field.
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Don't leave with nothing is my advice, small holed haynet or haylage net or double net but keep it topped up - we never soaked hay but was not top quality hay, soak dependent on quality, not Haylage, this way will leave the straw alone - make sure getting the right nutrients - Global herbs lammi prone and rebuild have been used this year with sucess, we were told to not to feed Acorn the first time around, he had poor hay and he lost so much weight and we have mobility issues through that, this year he his diet was not touched,he maintained a healthy weight, he was not box rested - on the same Vets advice and to the thanks of my farrier who insisted both times he was better off out than in.
Hes been much better this time than last for recovery, the remedial is not as extensive - there are so many thoughts around this, but as LC said starving is a very outdated view and in some cases damaging as I found out first hand.

I do hope you get his management sorted, 6 weeks for a trim after lammi seems a long time as no doubt there will be some strange growth, will the owners listen to you re shavings, really better than straw for support if they adament you are to keep in.
If the Vet considers to be overweight , then you need controlled weight loss not starvation she could end up in serious trouble and recovery compromised.

Good luck I do hope you can get the owners to see sense and let you work out and see through some management - you stand a better chance if you can do that.

do keep us updated
Lx
 
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